Brehon Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) Whether the implication is intentional or not, the time from peace to having 3 defensive slots filled was 6 minutes. Could that have not been coordinated, sure. Not likely but sure I will give that. Had Umbrella gov gave a damn about the potential political and war ramifications talks would have been attempted (proper talks). Both wanted, both got, we move on.Isn't everyone done being obtuse of the details? Edited March 19, 2013 by Brehon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krashnaia Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Caliph, you need to tell us who gave your pals those psychic powers to nail when Puppets was intending to get out of Dove within an error margin of 6 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grendel Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) We weren't able to get our BIBO on when Puppets first went rogue since people not Umbrella took his defensive war slots. We both know AI has been wanting a reason to attack Umbrella for a while now, so I really doubt any sort of mutual beneficial agreement could have been reached since Duckroll and Umbrella/DH were in a cold war for the past few months prior to this war starting off. I will agree there were then tensions between Ai and Umb [and others] since even before Ai's formation and without a doubt in some form or fashion at some time in the then future we and others were going to tussle. I also admit that I was fine with you lot as a target just as much as pretty much anyone else [I'm not picky I just want targets] but the Puppets issue did not have to be the spark, is really all I was trying to point out. If your lot wanted to avoid this you could of avoided it by staying off the slots, you chose to push we pushed back. That simple and now we have war \o/ Edited March 19, 2013 by Grendel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Caliph, you need to tell us who gave your pals those psychic powers to nail when Puppets was intending to get out of Dove within an error margin of 6 minutes. Puppets used public channels, as in channels available to every single person who uses IRC, to publish his intent to leave peace mode. An Umbrella member saw that and let his buddies who were online know and they hit puppets when he left peace. The secret is activity and IRC. There was no conspiracy by Umbrella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 I will agree there were then tensions between Ai and Umb [and others] since even before Ai's formation and without a doubt in some form or fashion at some time in the then future we and others were going to tussle. I also admit that I was fine with you lot as a target just as much as pretty much anyone else [I'm not picky I just want targets] but the Puppets issue did not have to be the spark, is really all I was trying to point out. If your lot wanted to avoid this you could of avoided it by staying off the slots, you chose to push we pushed back. That simple and now we have war \o/ If we had avoided the war when it started, then it would have started at a later date with the odds more in your favor and less in ours. This war, while destructive, happened at one of the best times for us. Had patterns continued we would've been attacked a few months later with so much less odds in our favor than this it would make this war look like a walk in the park in a gated community compared to this war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Lord of Funk Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 The question that started this thread is proof that Umbrella and Co must be loosing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) The question that started this thread is proof that Umbrella and Co must be loosing. A quick look at the upper tier paints a different picture... Edited March 19, 2013 by Caliph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enamel32 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) A quick look at the upper tier paints a different picture... I must need to make another blog entry again. Edited March 19, 2013 by Enamel32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 A quick look at the upper tier paints a different picture... Some of your allies would not agree with that picture. But hey, they are cannon fodder, who cares, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enamel32 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Some of your allies would not agree with that picture. But hey, they are cannon fodder, who cares, right? "Don't worry CnG. You'll have that tech replaced in no time" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 "Don't worry CnG. You'll have that tech replaced in no time" C&G have ... what? Like 26 alliances on them? When was the last time any one of you had 26 alliances just on you? Considering what they are facing they're doing a great job. And NG and C&G are handling the upper tier in that fight and even made progress in the other tiers too. Considering what they are facing, they are doing a great job. When facing better odds than C&G did Sparta crumbled so fast they had to have MHA help them, which crumbled so fast they needed FARK to come out to play to save them. Also, Hal, where is your upper tier again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enamel32 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) C&G have ... what? Like 26 alliances on them? When was the last time any one of you had 26 alliances just on you? Considering what they are facing they're doing a great job. And NG and C&G are handling the upper tier in that fight and even made progress in the other tiers too. When was the last time we were gangbanged? Do you really need to ask that question? I mean, our bloc fell at the hands of your alliance, after all. "considering what they're facing" Translation: Dear allies, I don't want to be mean, but you're getting shit on real bad, and I have no intention to do anything about it. Edited March 19, 2013 by Enamel32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Why should Umbrella care about CnG's pixels? I would be very surprised if CnG didn't radically alter their political positions post-war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enamel32 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Why should Umbrella care about CnG's pixels? I would be very surprised if CnG didn't radically alter their political positions post-war. Considering Umb is allied to ODN and INT, I'd think they would care, at least somewhat, but reading between the lines of what their members are saying, I don't get that impression whatsoever. I'd agree with you regarding CnG FA, but some disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Why should Umbrella care about CnG's pixels? I would be very surprised if CnG didn't radically alter their political positions post-war. You can do better than that. Besides some AA's have made the rounds on multiple fronts. Theres only so much of us to go around, considering we are a main target of this war. We all know the reason C&G is getting dogpiled on is to teach them a lesson for sticking with DH this war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Considering Umb is allied to ODN and INT, I'd think they would care, at least somewhat, but reading between the lines of what their members are saying, I don't get that impression whatsoever. I'd agree with you regarding CnG FA, but some disagree. I can agree with that. I think we have the same opinions but are approaching things differently, probably because I'm not a member of either coalition. You can do better than that. Besides some AA's have made the rounds on multiple fronts. Theres only so much of us to go around, considering we are a main target of this war. We all know the reason C&G is getting dogpiled on is to teach them a lesson for sticking with DH this war. What do you mean by "do better"? There are even leaked screenies at this point confirming that CnG has been planning to jump ship for quite some time. They're only on DH's side because they've been forced to, and post-war they'll be able to start really moving away without having to look like cowards since they took their lumps. If CnG is truly being dogpiled, it seems more likely that's just because most of the EQ coalition has a bone to pick with them than anything else. I doubt much of EQ really wanted or expected CnG to stay neutral or join them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 C&G have ... what? Like 26 alliances on them? When was the last time any one of you had 26 alliances just on you? Considering what they are facing they're doing a great job. And NG and C&G are handling the upper tier in that fight and even made progress in the other tiers too. Considering what they are facing, they are doing a great job. When facing better odds than C&G did Sparta crumbled so fast they had to have MHA help them, which crumbled so fast they needed FARK to come out to play to save them. Also, Hal, where is your upper tier again? Actually, in TOP's pre-empt Sparta had to fight at least 10 alliances. That's likely more or not far off from the CnG front. Certainly a greater disparity in terms of NS on each side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Actually, in TOP's pre-empt Sparta had to fight at least 10 alliances. That's likely more or not far off from the CnG front. Certainly a greater disparity in terms of NS on each side. The initial DOW on C&G included 22 alliances. Of those 22, MHA and Sparta were included. In terms of NS, in terms of amount of nations, and terms of number of alliances this dogpile on C&G is far more than anything XX has faced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 The initial DOW on C&G included 22 alliances. Of those 22, MHA and Sparta were included. In terms of NS, in terms of amount of nations, and terms of number of alliances this dogpile on C&G is far more than anything XX has faced. Actually, if you want to play that game I could just as easily say that due to the massive amount of TLR/GATO nations in peace mode that isn't an accurate statement, for at least half of CnG anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 "Don't worry CnG. You'll have that tech replaced in no time" Your concern for CnG is touching. We are perfectly content, and that contention is 100% irrespective of Umbrella. And I will guarantee we will replace a larger chunk , more rapidly, than those we are fighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enamel32 Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Actually, in TOP's pre-empt Sparta had to fight at least 10 alliances. That's likely more or not far off from the CnG front. Certainly a greater disparity in terms of NS on each side. I'm glad someone remembers. :wub: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 I'm glad someone remembers. :wub: 10 alliances vs 26. You can't be serious. People wonder why the OWF has devolved into taunting and chest-thumping, and here we have a fine example: the opposition has no idea how to formulate an argument, especially one based on facts and stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enamel32 Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) 10 alliances vs 26. You can't be serious. People wonder why the OWF has devolved into taunting and chest-thumping, and here we have a fine example: the opposition has no idea how to formulate an argument, especially one based on facts and stats. It was 14 by my recollection, and you are comparing 1 alliance to an entire bloc. I don't want to count how many people hit fark, MHA and RnR. People wonder why the OWF has devolved into taunting and chest-thumping, and here we have a fine example: the opposition has no idea how to formulate an argument, especially one based on facts and stats. Edited March 20, 2013 by Enamel32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) You do realize MHA + Sparta comprised probably one current CnG and that the alliances aligned against CnG recruit far more than those who hit XX that war? Try harder. Edited March 20, 2013 by Neo Uruk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jraenar Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 TOP, Umbrella, and MK nations have jumped around to dozens of alliances to hit Ai. If I actually bothered to count them up, I would not be surprised if it was more than 50 AAs. Therefore Ai has fought more alliances than all of you. :rolleyes: The epeen waving over number of alliances is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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