IYIyTh Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) Will you make a show of it in private? I'm owed a few dances by now. Edited February 23, 2013 by IYIyTh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I see that the concept of reasonable adults talking out their differences instead of behaving like spoiled childs, is something totally alien to your mindset. :popcorn:Talking out differences is me beating out a middle path between Sardonic and Roq/Natan when negotiating with Brehon in DH/NPO, or MK sitting down with members of C&G in turn after the Dave War to hear their... well complaints and grievances. There are times for talking and times for action and this would be a rather dull place if we never took action. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Talking out differences is me beating out a middle path between Sardonic and Roq/Natan when negotiating with Brehon in DH/NPO, or MK sitting down with members of C&G in turn after the Dave War to hear their... well complaints and grievances. There are times for talking and times for action and this would be a rather dull place if we never took action. ;) did you ever consider talking to, well, just about every single alliance that is currently in Eq, in order to try to fix all the bad blood you've caused? I mean talking with your allies is understandable, but I'm actually surprised you didnt behave more proactively to try to prevent this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yevgeni Luchenkov Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 did you ever consider talking to, well, just about every single alliance that is currently in Eq, in order to try to fix all the bad blood you've caused? I mean talking with your allies is understandable, but I'm actually surprised you didnt behave more proactively to try to prevent this. At some point, there is only so much you can fix. War is, by far, the best way to mend broken relations on Digiterra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 At some point, there is only so much you can fix. War is, by far, the best way to mend broken relations on Digiterra. quite true, if people are unwilling to put forth the communication revenge seems to be the only way to fix things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 did you ever consider talking to, well, just about every single alliance that is currently in Eq, in order to try to fix all the bad blood you've caused? I mean talking with your allies is understandable, but I'm actually surprised you didnt behave more proactively to try to prevent this.My pledges of pacifism were rejected as false. Even now they are so rejected, in spite of my loyal devotion to the cause of peace and the reflection of such in Palmettia. Alas, paranoia took root, and there was naught I could do to undo it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yevgeni Luchenkov Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 quite true, if people are unwilling to put forth the communication revenge seems to be the only way to fix things. Think of it this way: My little brother was a pest. I could try to talk things out with my little brother - which generally ammounted to nothing - or I could beat him until I felt satisfied and no longer angry. Digiterra is a lot like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 My pledges of pacifism were rejected as false. Even now they are so rejected, in spite of my loyal devotion to the cause of peace and the reflection of such in Palmettia. Alas, paranoia took root, and there was naught I could do to undo it. public pledges and private conversations can be entirely different, consider what you spoke of publicly when you were talking to FOK privately, I'm wondering how much effort you put into backchannels to try to get forgiveness from those you've wronged over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 public pledges and private conversations can be entirely different, consider what you spoke of publicly when you were talking to FOK privately, I'm wondering how much effort you put into backchannels to try to get forgiveness from those you've wronged over the years.I am not interested in forgiveness from the dogs of SF/XX and there was nothing for which to ask forgiveness from DR/NPO. In conversations with Brehon it was made clear that there was no issue with MK, only frustrations with Umbrella, and that was stated many months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scytale Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I see that the concept of reasonable adults talking out their differences instead of behaving like spoiled childs, is something totally alien to your mindset. :popcorn: going a bit out of character. I believe you meant this in a sarcastic way but in a seriousness I do keep forgetting there are vast age differences sometimes. I started in the MHA and went to Fark and realized how much of an average age difference there was between the two alliances. I have to remember that most of the players are in the very young category. Perhaps Fark's radio silence comes partly out of this fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brehon Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) I am not interested in forgiveness from the dogs of SF/XX and there was nothing for which to ask forgiveness from DR/NPO. In conversations with Brehon it was made clear that there was no issue with MK, only frustrations with Umbrella, and that was stated many months ago. This is true. I have shared those frustrations about Umbrella with all that have asked about it or anyone allied to me. I have also made it clear I have no real issues with MK. As I stated in another thread, MK did it right and retreated from starting shit or claiming responsibility for shit started by their allies. Edited February 23, 2013 by Brehon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonator21 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 You say it like ot would be an easy feat. Looks more like he said it sarcastically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saniiro Matsudaira Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Looks more like he said it sarcastically. As was I if it wasn't obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 This is true. I have shared those frustrations about Umbrella with all that have asked about it or anyone allied to me. I have also made it clear I have no real issues with MK. As I stated in another thread, MK did it right and retreated from starting shit or claiming responsibility for shit started by their allies. How noble of MK to shut the Hell up on the eve of a beatdown. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 How noble of MK to shut the Hell up on the eve of a beatdown. :rolleyes:I was nothing less than courteous from the day DH/NPO ended, a span of time including two romps over Dos Amigos and this abortion of a war you generously call "a beatdown." I was courteous to Pacifica, IRON, Valhalla, BAPS, and Dark Templar for the duration of that period.I am the very embodiment of nobility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buscemi Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 How noble of MK to shut the Hell up on the eve of a beatdown. :rolleyes: This is one of the most ignorant posts I've seen about MK-NPO relations. Well done bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 If your theory is that NPO is going to step in and throw their own coalition mates under the bus, I think you are delusional. This is a rather interesting dynamic, isn't it? Don't you imagine it's difficult for them to watch their close friends in CNG getting "beat down" by their own coalition partners in SF/XX. I bet the NPO just feel helpless in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonator21 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 As was I if it wasn't obvious. Something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 This is a rather interesting dynamic, isn't it? Don't you imagine it's difficult for them to watch their close friends in CNG getting "beat down" by their own coalition partners in SF/XX. I bet the NPO just feel helpless in this situation. I would think someone like Brehon had told his allies once they acknowledged the path they were taking in this war that they would need to surrender just like anyone else in order to get out of this war, FOK helped out RnR a few wars back, but RnR still had to leave the war like everyone else did, I suspect this is a similar situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) I would think someone like Brehon had told his allies once they acknowledged the path they were taking in this war that they would need to surrender just like anyone else in order to get out of this war, FOK helped out RnR a few wars back, but RnR still had to leave the war like everyone else did, I suspect this is a similar situation.Telling your friends they are on their own is one thing. Watching them get beaten down for months by alliances they can't stand is another. That's takes alot of commitment to just stand there and offer no help. Not many are able to do that. Edited February 24, 2013 by Feanor Noldorin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicninja Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Telling your friends they are on their own is one thing. Watching them get beaten down for months by alliances they can't stand is another. That's takes alot of commitment to just stand there and offer no help. Not many are able to do that. The most I ask of our EQ allies is to back us up on the no bandwagoning bit. We'd do the same for them. All they have to do is let their coalition know that they have to actually try the minimum amount if they want to declare on us. Not much to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) Are you scared of fighting with uneven odds? really? all that chest thumping and all, well the cat's out of the bag now. Edited February 24, 2013 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicninja Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) Are you scared of fighting with uneven odds? really? all that chest thumping and all, well the cat's out of the bag now. Of course not. FFS, we are GATO. Until recently uneven odds was all we ever had. So, by all means put whoever you want on us. We'll erase their top tier too. Just make sure that if they are not directly allied to those we are at war with they post a DoW with their treaty chain to someone we are at war with. Not too hard to do. Edited February 24, 2013 by magicninja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leongsh Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Are you scared of fighting with uneven odds? really? all that chest thumping and all, well the cat's out of the bag now. You're really desperate to extrapolate something out of it. GATO is posting to get clarification that it is FARK government sanctioned war and not just rogue attacks. One thing that I have known with dealing with GATO are that they are sticklers for procedure and process. GATO (and the rest of CnG) are doing quite okay - better than we expected - and chugging along nicely in this war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserwolf Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 One thing that I have known with dealing with GATO are that they are sticklers for procedure and process. Before I can verify this statement, I will need to run this by Congress and ask our High Court to make sure the decision doesn't supersede any portion of our charter. :p And to reiterate what Magic said, all we are seeking is clarification. Pile on who you want that is fine; that is the nature of war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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