Crymson Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Peace out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellBade Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) Some things just need to die. Maybe we will get Fungicide 2012 after all now. I sure hope so cause Fungicide 2013 doesn't have the same ring to it :/ Edited November 15, 2012 by MitchellBade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warrior Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 It is truly saddening to see the end of this treaty. IRON and TOP have been blood brothers for many years and even though it no longer exists on paper, I sincerely hope the friendship can continue paperlessly. o/ TOP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Lines definitely being erased ITT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salsabeast1 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Hmm, I like it. o/ IRON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matasumouri Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Cheers to both of you!!! Hope your paths lead you toward properity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrews Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Lines being erased. Good luck to the both of ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus PDOX Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Sad to see this go. GL IRON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefjoe Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 [quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1352989722' post='3052809'] Peace out. [/quote] Trite and doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theophilos Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Best wishes to both ... perhaps friends can stay friends for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hormones74 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Paradoxia will prevail. Good luck IRON in whatever it is that you guys are working on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Doomee Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Good luck to you both and do not worry. For every treaty cancelled, it seems 27 new ones are signed. A toast to the treaty web...may you burn in hell!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimm Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 [quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1352989722' post='3052809'] Peace out. [/quote] I'm sure that was a totally and completely innocent and honest statement of your feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 [quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1352986102' post='3052790'] it seems more like IRON was doing everything they could but TOP wants to go down with the proverbial ship. [/quote] And which proverbial ship might be sinking? What many call a "tough" but "necessary" and "right" decision merits, at best, only one of those monikers. This was a decision resulting from a conscious choice from a number of options, a choice subsequently acted upon in a direct manner that resulted in the simple and speedy elimination of this tie. Tough implies reservation, and I see none. Necessary implies it was involuntary, it was very much voluntary. Of the many descriptors offered, only "right" fits, and only insofar as your decision is consistent with your desires and not, as Schatt so often complains of in regard to treaties, based on a delusion that all competing policies might be reconciled. Good luck to you, gentlemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windblade Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 [quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1353012054' post='3052950'] And which proverbial ship might be sinking? What many call a "tough" but "necessary" and "right" decision merits, at best, only one of those monikers. This was a decision resulting from a conscious choice from a number of options, a choice subsequently acted upon in a direct manner that resulted in the [i]simple and speedy elimination of this tie. Tough implies reservation, and I see none[/i]. Necessary implies it was involuntary, it was very much voluntary. Of the many descriptors offered, only "right" fits, and only insofar as your decision is consistent with your desires and not, as Schatt so often complains of in regard to treaties, based on a delusion that all competing policies might be reconciled. Good luck to you, gentlemen. [/quote] Hey Ardus, $%&@ off. Good luck to you TOP. No one in IRON is happy that this is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 [quote name='Windblade' timestamp='1353012489' post='3052955'] Hey Ardus, $%&@ off.[/quote] As I disagree with the decisions resulting in the end of this treaty, I must regretfully and respectfully decline your request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimm Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 [quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1353013052' post='3052961'] As I disagree with the decisions resulting in the end of this treaty, I must regretfully and respectfully decline your request. [/quote] Well isn't that interesting. Do you disagree with the reasons for said decisions, or do you disagree because the cancellation could arguably have consequences for your alliance's FA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Moon Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Well, condolences on the end of a long-standing relationship, but I have to applaud any move that makes an alliance's foreign obligations more consistent and realistically able to be upheld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 [quote name='trimm' timestamp='1353014144' post='3052973'] Well isn't that interesting. Do you disagree with the reasons for said decisions, or do you disagree because the cancellation could arguably have consequences for your alliance's FA? [/quote] Friendship is Power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gofastleft Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 I said just a few weeks ago that ideas change, alliances change, allies change, enemies change. I don't think there has been a time in planet Bob's history where this is more true than it is right now. Good luck to all involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 [quote name='trimm' timestamp='1353014144' post='3052973'] Well isn't that interesting. Do you disagree with the reasons for said decisions, or do you disagree because the cancellation could arguably have consequences for your alliance's FA? [/quote] One of your offered options is merely a subset of the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmia Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 [quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1353013052' post='3052961'] As I disagree with the decisions resulting in the end of this treaty, I must regretfully and respectfully decline your request. [/quote] Opinions are subjective and how one views similar facts is a matter of opinion, where the line is drawn or what conclusion is reached depends on the perspective or goals involved. When those said goals conflict or what makes or breaks a tie is different, you are free to disagree with the decisions, but it is a matter of perspective. The so called decisions here were not ones made lightly and certainly weren't made speedily. It can be that very difference in perspective that necessisates a change in ties. It is hard for anyone outside of TOP-IRON to determine how these decisions were made as only TOP and IRON are privvy to the entire dynamics involved, no matter what one may say, only the direct parties involved can see everything that has passed up to this point. That being said, I certainly have enjoyed working with TOP and there have been good and bad times. There are in any relationship. It has been a pleasure getting to know you, TOP and best of luck in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Side King Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 lines being drawn, unfortunate to see this, well done DH, goodluck folks, etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Although this treaty contains two alliances that I dearly love, I don't think that they belonged treatied to each other. Best of luck to both of you. o/ TOP o/ IRON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) Ardus, you have not seen pages upon pages of discussions on this. Edited November 15, 2012 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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