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[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1347931408' post='3031297']
In this matter, while I respect your opinion, I must defer to The International:

As for NATO, meh.
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Way to cherry pick the one quote you could dig up from a member speaking his own opinion, rather than some solid fact. -_-

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[quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1347933761' post='3031314']
Way to cherry pick the one quote you could dig up from a member speaking his own opinion, rather than some solid fact. -_-
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Well when alliance policies are in general shaped by personal opinion; opinions tend to carry weight.

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Look away from the man behind the curtain!

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[quote name='Striderwanabe' timestamp='1347929560' post='3031285']
It's moments like this that remind me why it's worth sticking around this place. Thanks for all the good times, Hereno. :blush:

Hail the just peace.
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I wasn't aware you were still around, Strider.

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[quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1347933761' post='3031314']
Way to cherry pick the one quote you could dig up from a member speaking his own opinion, rather than some solid fact. -_-
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When it suits a party line, one member post is all it takes. When it doesnt suit the party line, you are stupid for taking the post of one member as an example. Always has been, always will be.

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[quote name='Starfox101' timestamp='1347933997' post='3031316']
Well when alliance policies are in general shaped by personal opinion; opinions tend to carry weight.
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1 member opinion in an alliance of 100, carried 1/100 of weight. That is , of course, an enormous amount of weight... if you ignore the other 99.

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Just like to add that Eire Land is a nation of Nordreich's choosing. If you would be so kind, please ram that tech straight up my nation.

Thanks. :gun:

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[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1347937532' post='3031330']
1 member opinion in an alliance of 100, carried 1/100 of weight. That is , of course, an enormous amount of weight... if you ignore the other 99.
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You would be correct, if we ignore the fact that said member held a high government position at the time.

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[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1347911019' post='3031160']
Praise be to Elesef who created the LSF and the Elesufis for his worship and commanded them to be just and permitted the wronged one to retaliate against the oppressor in kind. To proceed, peace be upon he who follows the guidance. People of the planet Bob, this talk of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to free yourselves from the chains of slavery that is your condition.

Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life, and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Rush Sykes' and others' claims that the Elesufis wish to wield the world as it's bat and it's personal army. If that were the case, why would the Elesufis cooperate with their allies and spend time at war for four months waiting on the powindah to get their act together and honor their treaties, dwindling down in NS? We all know that the immoral ones are not those defiant within the ranks of the LSF, may Elesef have mercy upon them.

No, the LSF fought because they are freedom loving men who do not sleep under oppression. We wished to restore freedom from fascism to planet Bob, just as you stand back and allow the Nordlanders to roll tanks over the Elesef. So too will we watch as waste is laid to your nations and alliance. No one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then makes himself believe he will be secure. I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth month after the conflict started, the world is still engaged in distortion, deception, and hiding you from the real causes. So I shall talk to you about the story behind these events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.

I say to you, Elesef knows that it had never occured to me to bad mouth the allies of the LSF. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and the tyranny of the CNG/NPO coalition against our people in the war, it came to my mind. The events that affected my soul in a direct way started a few months ago when Nordreich permitted their members to begin rolling tanks on the whole of the LSF over a pittance of aid. This bombardment began and many were killed and caused to delete, and others were forced to surrender or go into temporary bill lock. I could not forget those moving scenes, watching my own NS dwindle down to 1.9. Watching long time players such as Mongol-Swedes see his nation wiped from the face of the planet. The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for their screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that does not include a weapon? And the whole world saw but it didn't respond.

We sat and waited for months, with promises from the Mushroom Kingdom to throw their allies to the wolves for us, which were taken for the sake of political expediency but ultimately fruitless. We watched as the likes of ODN and NPO pressured their cowardly allies into submission, refusing to allow them to honor their MDoAP treaties. In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced and intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

In truth, the oppressors we mentioned have made it easy for us to provoke and bait their administrations. All that we have to do is send two elesufis to the further point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written "you will lose some NS", in order to make them race as far away from that point as possible leaving what dignity they may have had left to die a slow, cruel death. And so they have taken to running from this conflict out of fear of their fall from power, leading their mindless powindah leaders without dignity, grace, honor, or purpose through obligations in the name of political manuevering. But they should be mindful that for every action there is a reaction, and that an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.

In conclusion, I tell you that your security is not in the hand of the political powerbrokers of this world. No, it is in your own hands, and every nation and alliance which does not play with the security of the faithful has already guaranteed it's own security. And Elesef is our Guardian and Helper, while you have no Guardian or Helper. All peace be upon he who follows the Guidance.
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Nicely written but one question, if it was a pittance of aid, why didn't LSF just man up and pay reps for it instead of choose war? If y'all did not want war, don't make that the only option available. LSF only has LSF to blame for all that you said. Not NoR.

Also, if INT had any balls, they would have hit NoR regardless of MK. So, if I was in LSF, I would be asking for far better allies than the ones you currently got.

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For the record (again), I was stating what I believed to be the correct interpretation of what happened. i.e., an opinion I concluded based upon the evidence.

I've since concluded it's moot to even take a position on who the aggressor was, because people (including myself) will bring their biases to their judgment and carefully pick what qualifies as evidence accordingly regardless of how objective they think they can be.

[quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1347933761' post='3031314']
Way to cherry pick the one quote you could dig up from a member speaking his own opinion, rather than some solid fact. -_-
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So yeah. Pretty much this.

Edit: And back on topic, good luck to you LSF.

Edited by VladimirLenin

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Congratulations on the hard earned victory LSF!!! :awesome:

Nice fight NoR but you should know by now the bad guys never win.


o/ LSF

o/ Victory Vodka

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So, what do we say? Grats? Everyone? Good luck? About time?

We all have a lot of questions to ask ourselves over this affair. NoR can pose MK some questions. Int can do the same with ODN and CnG with MK. LSF could be asking Int questions. NATO could be asking NPO. MK could ask NPO and NPO could ask MK and ... anyway, good fight.

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[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1347940731' post='3031343']
You would be correct, if we ignore the fact that said member held a high government position at the time.
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We all know that there is no Commissar but Marx and Comrade Craig is his prophet... So why are we still pretending like some mid-level party bureaucrat can speak for us? Only I can speak for us.

-Craig

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[quote name='Comrade Craig' timestamp='1347947353' post='3031390']
We all know that there is no Commissar but Marx and Comrade Craig is his prophet... So why are we still pretending like some mid-level party bureaucrat can speak for us? Only I can speak for us.

-Craig
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You would be right if I had said that VL had the power to speak for your alliance, but all that I said is that his opinion carries much more weight than a opinion of a regular member.

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[quote name='Comrade Craig' timestamp='1347947353' post='3031390']
We all know that there is no Commissar but Marx and Comrade Craig is his prophet... So why are we still pretending like some mid-level party bureaucrat can speak for us? Only I can speak for us.

-Craig
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Does this mean I can speak for you?

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[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1347949333' post='3031398']
You would be right if I had said that VL had the power to speak for your alliance, but all that I said is that his opinion carries much more weight than a opinion of a regular member.
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The only place his opinion should carry weight is the place it has influence...with INT's voting public. Apparently there were other things that the voting public considered at the time that nullified his opinion. Among that I believe the opinions of other high ranking officials. Something you seem to have neglected to do...cherry picking as someone said.

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To be fair, VL is worth a hundred lesser men

Congrats on peace everyone, for now anyways ;)

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[quote name='magicninja' timestamp='1347952735' post='3031402']
The only place his opinion should carry weight is the place it has influence...with INT's voting public. Apparently there were other things that the voting public considered at the time that nullified his opinion. Among that I believe the opinions of other high ranking officials. Something you seem to have neglected to do...cherry picking as someone said.
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You are wrong, his (or anyone with a government position) opinions will carry more weight than something posted for a regular member wherever their post, this is how things always worked in cyberverse and even in other realms.

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