Rush Sykes Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) So, in this conflict, much has been made of the use of peace mode as a tactic vs a means to preserve post-war NS. I have seen numbers thrown around liberally, claiming that both sides have the same % of nations in PM... people wanting to know what % of total NS on each side in PM, blah blah blah. Since I have a ton of free time today, I have compiled all the PM data that is needed for people to engage in their fun arguments. Those who want to verify the validity of my data, the spreadsheet can be viewed here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AoiqrwhcMH0IdG9BbWQ1aVpOMEl0R2d5MHZnT2M1a1E&output=html So here goes all the (I think) pertinent data: MK and Friends: Total NS Available: 108,539,871 Total Nations Avai: 2971 Total NS in PM : 27,570,052 Percent NS in PM : 25.4 Total Nations PM : 748 Percent Nations PM: 25.2 ANS of PM Nations : 36,858 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SF/XX and friends: Total NS Available: 54,630,081 Total Nations Avai: 2166 Total NS in PM : 32,250,626 Percent NS in PM : 59.0 Total Nations PM : 871 Percent Nations PM: 40.2 ANS of PM Nations : 37,027 ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The above data was compiled from the statistics of the top 19 alliances in each coalition as of 1PM EST. Feel free to put your respective spins on the data presented. Edit: Can a mod PLEASE change the topic title from Peace Mod Stats to Peace Mode Stats. Edited July 13, 2012 by Rush Sykes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Told you so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) I was considering making a similar thread where I keep track of who has made the most !#$% posts that are talking trash about peace mode. Edit: How long did it take you to compile these Rush? Edited July 13, 2012 by supercoolyellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrash Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) We've had 6 people permanently in PM the entire war, basically because they can't fight for !@#$. They were well distributed within our ranks. They now happen to be our top tier, because they haven't fought, yet everyone else has. Looks are deceiving and everyone should just shut the $%&@ up with the PM !@#$ and just war. Edited July 13, 2012 by Thrash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Tldr: You can manipulate the stats a multitude of ways ....Rush got bored and wanted to see people post apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1342211733' post='3009807'] I was considering making a similar thread where I keep track of who has made the most !#$% posts that are talking trash about peace mode. Edit: How long did it take you to compile these Rush? [/quote] Thanks to the ease with which you can pick out date from Firefox line by line, it only took about 2 hours total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1342211825' post='3009809'] Tldr: You can manipulate the stats a multitude of ways ....Rush got bored and wanted to see people post apparently [/quote] How the hell is this manipulating? By not including the alliances that won't really impact the war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melancholy Culkin Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Haha sparta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chachonimrod Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Melancholy Culkin' timestamp='1342211970' post='3009812'] Haha sparta. [/quote] I wasn't gonna say anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander shepard Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) The side getting that is getting hit with double the NS has over double the NS percentage in peace mode. I am truly shocked. Edited July 13, 2012 by Commander shepard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jraenar Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Rush, next time you want to do this, ping me. You can get the same stuff in about 10 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrash Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) You're also not including all the people who ditched their AA to go hide somewhere to rebuild and collect (i.e. MK going to Alchemy), whereas if they stayed in their AA, they'd be in PM. Edited July 13, 2012 by Thrash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Haha Rush made a post about peace mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Ogaden' timestamp='1342212728' post='3009822'] Haha Rush made a post about peace mode. [/quote] Well, I admit its not as well thought out as your "We are actually winning this war" posts. But I can only try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Thrash' timestamp='1342212642' post='3009821'] You're also not including all the people who ditched their AA to go hide somewhere to rebuild and collect (i.e. MK going to Alchemy), whereas if they stayed in their AA, they'd be in PM. [/quote] Before citing Alchemy, id suggest that you look at their AA. I see off hand no MKers there to escape to PM. Hence, if they were there, they are likely back in MK now, and thus, not excluded from this data. Edit: On day 1 of the war, MK had 144 nations. They now show 138. There may be 6 floating out there elsewhere. Are you really trying to convince me that those 6 nations specifically skews the data? That is pretty silly. Also, its reasonable to assume that people on both sides do this, therefore its equally likely to all even out in the rinse cycle. Counterpoint: Sparta began with 274 nations, they now have 250. Should I seek out those missing 24? The truth is... none of those cases will significantly impact the stats. Edited July 13, 2012 by Rush Sykes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrash Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1342212983' post='3009825'] Before citing Alchemy, id suggest that you look at their AA. I see off hand no MKers there to escape to PM. Hence, if they were there, they are likely back in MK now, and thus, not excluded from this data. [/quote] Ok, I'll concede that point. I haven't checked as of late. How about the rest? Are they at any other AAs. We all know that's a well known MK tactic during wartime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 "When we use peace mode is tactic, when you use is cowardice yadda yadda" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir pwnage Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Thrash' timestamp='1342213345' post='3009827'] Ok, I'll concede that point. I haven't checked as of late. How about the rest? Are they at any other AAs. We all know that's a well known MK tactic during wartime. [/quote] I know that CRAP tried to hide some of their, sorry about this, crappier nations on a different AA. They left "CRAP member" in their bio, but nonetheless it was a valiant effort. So there's a few for your team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Neo Uruk' timestamp='1342211957' post='3009811'] How the hell is this manipulating? By not including the alliances that won't really impact the war? [/quote] I didn't say Rush was manipulating the stats he produced, derp. I'm saying anyone can have a valid reason for why they are represented as they are and each person would be right. Some more than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='sir pwnage' timestamp='1342213645' post='3009830'] I know that CRAP tried to hide some of their, sorry about this, crappier nations on a different AA. [/quote] You aren't sorry about this at all. Thanks for the statistics, Rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rebel Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) Jesus Christ! This is why I hate war these days on bob. Peacemode this peacemode that all throughout the war without missing a day, go out and get laid people. Edited July 13, 2012 by the rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkphysics Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Might be good to also add the ANS of all nations involved on a side to help look at such things at upper tier nations and availability etc. Just a thought. Nice service to provide the data, though I don't it will do much to "win" any "OMG Peace Mode" arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1342213641' post='3009829'] "When we use peace mode is tactic, when you use is cowardice yadda yadda" [/quote] Not quite. When everyone else uses peace mode they are hiding from my nation. When I use peace mode I'm reloading. Right now there are thousands of players hiding from my nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1342212983' post='3009825'] Before citing Alchemy, id suggest that you look at their AA. I see off hand no MKers there to escape to PM. Hence, if they were there, they are likely back in MK now, and thus, not excluded from this data. Edit: On day 1 of the war, MK had 144 nations. They now show 138. There may be 6 floating out there elsewhere. Are you really trying to convince me that those 6 nations specifically skews the data? That is pretty silly. Also, its reasonable to assume that people on both sides do this, therefore its equally likely to all even out in the rinse cycle. Counterpoint: Sparta began with 274 nations, they now have 250. Should I seek out those missing 24? The truth is... none of those cases will significantly impact the stats. [/quote] Invicta knows little to nothing, news at 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrash Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) [quote name='sir pwnage' timestamp='1342213645' post='3009830'] I know that CRAP tried to hide some of their, sorry about this, crappier nations on a different AA. They left "CRAP member" in their bio, but nonetheless it was a valiant effort. So there's a few for your team [/quote] Ok fine, I'll concede that then too. It's not something that we would do and I had assumed it wasn't commonplace, but apparently it is. I've seen it happen plenty, but usually only from the larger side. Move along. PM herp derp. edit: I covered your edit too, Rush. Edited July 13, 2012 by Thrash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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