kingzog Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Alex Thompson' timestamp='1340214524' post='2990260'] I'm off LSF's AA and applied to INT yesterday. What was that about me still being an LSF member? [/quote] Hope you cleared it with Nordreich first, otherwise you can look forward to continued attacks. (Besides, I'm not sure anybody really believes anything coming our of you guys at this point.) [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1340213898' post='2990238'] You couldn't !@#$@#$ hold off for at least 24 hours? You had to have your 200 tech for this [i]right now[/i] over something that should have never required more than a simple apology? Fantastic. Mother !@#$@#$ fantastic. [/quote] Watching you sputter in impotent frustration is more enjoyment than I've had in some time. It's like watching a very tiny dog that thinks it's big, aching to fight but chained to a tree. Yipping and jumping in the direction of all passersby, choking itself while others simply point and laugh. Please continue. [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1340216025' post='2990306']Of course you're going to defend your ally here, but come on. [/quote] Oh man. Someone shot puppy with a tranquilizer dart and he's now spewing this kind of hilarity. You, gentle sir, are the gift that keeps on giving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCRABT Posted June 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Illustrious' timestamp='1340217100' post='2990339'] Really? You couldn't have taken a minute out of your time and instead of posting this check his AA and find out that he is telling the truth? As for the topic on hand, to me it looks like IRON wanted a shot at LSF anyways and LSF made it easier for them. [/quote] When this incident first emerged he was wearing the INT AA, LSF and INT both confirmed him as a member of LSF and given that LSF indicated they would have to expel him in their "apology" thread, there can be little doubt as to where he was resident at the time of the incident. LSF is at war with NoR and various members have been hopping around AA's to make it more difficult to track aid packages etc. If I expel a member from my alliance the first thing I do is unmask him, LSF never did that because they had no intention of expelling him and have supported his conduct from the start, hence the continuing mimicking in their IRC chan, hidden messages in their apology and general inclination to delay and disrupt all efforts at diplomacy despite their representatives agreeing the measures taken were reasonable. We couldn't have given two !@#$% about LSF and until said transgressions took place we had never had any contact with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endirrrr Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Ferro Credimus! It's that time again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pd73bassman Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 It was bad enough you called out NoR and taunted them and it came back to bite you but now you go and mess with Iron :face palm: I really do hope you get obiterated for your stupidity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrash Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='bakamitai' timestamp='1340215898' post='2990303'] This by itself is a CB, and would have been even back in the bad old days. [/quote] It wasn't a CB when SLCB did it to SOS a while back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Bromeini Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='kingzog' timestamp='1340217693' post='2990348'] Watching you sputter in impotent frustration is more enjoyment than I've had in some time. It's like watching a very tiny dog that thinks it's big, aching to fight but chained to a tree. Yipping and jumping in the direction of all passersby, choking itself while others simply point and laugh.[/quote] I was just sort of venting about the idiocy of declaring war on an alliance due to hurt feelings, but ok. I'll chalk this up to senility. [quote]Oh man. Someone shot puppy with a tranquilizer dart and he's now spewing this kind of hilarity. You, gentle sir, are the gift that keeps on giving. [/quote] I meant defend as in defend these actions, here on the OWF. My people have a saying. "Reading comprehension ftw". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarquista Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='MCRABT' timestamp='1340217798' post='2990350'] If I expel a member from my alliance the first thing I do is unmask him, LSF never did that because they had no intention of expelling him and have supported his conduct from the start, hence the continuing mimicking in their IRC chan, hidden messages in their apology and general inclination to delay and disrupt all efforts at diplomacy despite their representatives agreeing the measures taken were reasonable. [/quote] it's a conspiracy i tell you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exige Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1340217527' post='2990345'] It is also clear that in this case, we did try to avoid war [/quote] by posting "$%&@ IRON in the ass"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1340217970' post='2990356'] I meant defend as in defend these actions, here on the OWF. My people have a saying. "Reading comprehension ftw". [/quote] Well obviously, because who defends allies with their military? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='MCRABT' timestamp='1340217798' post='2990350'] When this incident first emerged he was wearing the INT AA, LSF and INT both confirmed him as a member of LSF and given that LSF indicated they would have to expel him in their "apology" thread, there can be little doubt as to where he was resident at the time of the incident. LSF is at war with NoR and various members have been hopping around AA's to make it more difficult to track aid packages etc. If I expel a member from my alliance the first thing I do is unmask him, LSF never did that because they had no intention of expelling him and have supported his conduct from the start, hence the continuing mimicking in their IRC chan, hidden messages in their apology and general inclination to delay and disrupt all efforts at diplomacy despite their representatives agreeing the measures taken were reasonable. We couldn't have given two !@#$% about LSF and until said transgressions took place we had never had any contact with them. [/quote] Just because we think you're being an idiot doesn't mean we don't also think he was being an idiot. I'd personally like you to explain to the OWF why you ignored us when we tried to ask who those reps should go to earlier today. This ought to be good. You should also explain why you care more about Opti's forum mask than his alliance affiliation. He wasn't on the LSF AA anymore. Had you talked to INT, or merely looked at their boards, you would have known he was applying there after he was no longer in LSF. Had you talked to us, we would've told you the same thing. You're full of it and I've yet to have anyone from IRON address my posts concerning these issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Bromeini Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Delta1212' timestamp='1340218198' post='2990360'] Well obviously, because who defends allies with their military? [/quote] Not RIA when we were in deep !@#$ with VE, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homura Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 It seems to me that most of LSF's members are lazy (it takes less than 2 minutes to fix a mask!) and are ignorant of most conventions of diplomacy. I'm a bit surprised that they even have allies on paper with that type of behaviour. Anyway, I hope all of LSF will learn something from this and reform themselves, even if their allies do come to their rescue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buds The Man Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Delta1212' timestamp='1340218198' post='2990360'] Well obviously, because who doesnt defend allies with their military? [/quote] Fixed that for you delta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1340218327' post='2990362'] Just because we think you're being an idiot doesn't mean we don't also think he was being an idiot. I'd personally like you to explain to the OWF why you ignored us when we tried to ask who those reps should go to earlier today. This ought to be good. You should also explain why you care more about Opti's forum mask than his alliance affiliation. He wasn't on the LSF AA anymore. Had you talked to INT, or merely looked at their boards, you would have known he was applying there after he was no longer in LSF. Had you talked to us, we would've told you the same thing. You're full of it and I've yet to have anyone from IRON address my posts concerning these issues. [/quote] I think we all know how significant the LSF AA is to its members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Monkey Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Delta1212' timestamp='1340218198' post='2990360'] Well obviously, because who defends allies with their military? [/quote] We can handle the one IRON nation at war with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panic King Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 If the logs are not forged then I feel this is a valid CB. Yeah I'm Polar... no I do not speak for the alliance... Yeah I support IRON on their claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Bromeini Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1340214616' post='2990265'] It sucks, clearly it does Trotsky. But there is a way to act and not act. Sometimes we all forget that. [/quote] Aye, I see where you're coming from here. But with all due respect, I didn't buy this line as a valid CB when Grub shelled it out. I find it hard to buy now as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC123 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Interesting how you didn't post the evidence I sent Matt Miller last night. [spoiler] Just a note, LSF allows multiple non-LSF friends and allies in their private channel, so I am redacting any non-LSF IRC nicks (looks like there was only one other talking), save for my own and Bob from Dark Templar who entered the channel during this all (this mostly serves to prove he didn't state it was a joke after getting caught). [quote][2012-06-17 19:05:25] <MCRABT> shall i direct him to the IRON-private channel? [2012-06-17 19:06:09] <Aggressivenutmeg> god, if this works [2012-06-17 19:06:16] <MCRABT> lol [2012-06-17 19:06:41] <HollandLikaschivulkaschlick> Go for it. [2012-06-17 19:07:09] <titanrain> LOL [2012-06-17 19:07:16] <[REDACTED]> Uh [2012-06-17 19:07:17] <[REDACTED]> what [2012-06-17 19:07:26] <[REDACTED]> LOL [2012-06-17 19:07:33] <Pacifist_Ninja> LOL [2012-06-17 19:07:41] <Pacifist_Ninja> Holy #$@% [2012-06-17 19:08:01] <Aggressivenutmeg> This could very well come back and bite us in the arse [2012-06-17 19:08:09] <[REDACTED]> Shhhhhh [2012-06-17 19:08:10] <MCRABT> nah [2012-06-17 19:08:22] <MCRABT> I'll let him no eventually [2012-06-17 19:08:28] <MCRABT> *know [2012-06-17 19:08:37] <Pacifist_Ninja> what? [2012-06-17 19:08:39] <USMC|AWAY> yeah that seems like a realllllly bad idea[/quote] [quote][2012-06-17 19:09:29] -->| Bob (IP WAS HERE) has joined #*LSF's Private Channel* [2012-06-17 19:09:31] <USMC|AWAY> while it would be an epic troll [2012-06-17 19:09:33] <Bob> lol [2012-06-17 19:09:35] <Bob> @#$@#$% [2012-06-17 19:09:35] <USMC|AWAY> it wouldnt be wise [2012-06-17 19:09:36] <MCRABT> what [2012-06-17 19:09:39] <Bob> good job [2012-06-17 19:09:41] <[REDACTED]> hi bob [2012-06-17 19:09:47] <Bob> thank you for the list of names [2012-06-17 19:09:51] <Bob> [2012-06-17 19:10:00] <MCRABT> what list of what [2012-06-17 19:10:04] <Bob> just wanted to know who was involved [2012-06-17 19:10:09] <[REDACTED]> LOL [2012-06-17 19:10:11] <Aggressivenutmeg> LOL [2012-06-17 19:10:13] <Aggressivenutmeg> hahaha [2012-06-17 19:10:25] <[REDACTED]> Rotfllllllllllllll [2012-06-17 19:11:14] =-= Mode #blackguards +b *Bob's IP was Here* by Aggressivenutmeg [2012-06-17 19:11:14] =-= Bob was booted from #*LSF's Private Channel* by Aggressivenutmeg (Aggressivenutmeg) [2012-06-17 19:11:16] <[REDACTED> LOL [2012-06-17 19:11:18] <Aggressivenutmeg> in any case [2012-06-17 19:11:22] <USMC|AWAY> wtc [2012-06-17 19:11:24] <MCRABT> LOL [2012-06-17 19:11:28] <Pacifist_Ninja> Dude, opti [2012-06-17 19:11:30] <USMC|AWAY> make this channel secret btw [2012-06-17 19:11:37] <MCRABT> there's #*irc channel* [2012-06-17 19:11:38] <Aggressivenutmeg> I don't know how [2012-06-17 19:11:38] <USMC|AWAY> it shows up in your whois [2012-06-17 19:11:40] <MCRABT> but nobody goes in there [2012-06-17 19:11:48] <MCRABT> yeah, USMC|AWAY [2012-06-17 19:11:49] <USMC|AWAY> /mode #blackguards +s [2012-06-17 19:11:54] <MCRABT> i was planning on letting them know [2012-06-17 19:12:01] =-= Mode #*LSF's Private Channel +s by Aggressivenutmeg [2012-06-17 19:12:08] <REDACTED> MCRABT [2012-06-17 19:12:12] <REDACTED> Don't use #*irc channel* [2012-06-17 19:12:13] <USMC|AWAY> lol this is LSF private channel though so wtf [2012-06-17 19:12:14] <USMC|AWAY> xfd [2012-06-17 19:12:16] <REDACTED> I'm not allowed in there [2012-06-17 19:12:23] <MCRABT> [2012-06-17 19:12:29] <Pacifist_Ninja> Don't be in chans you aren't supposed to be in! So fail [2012-06-17 19:12:38] <Pacifist_Ninja> They can see what chans you are in, you know? [2012-06-17 19:12:59] <MCRABT> man [2012-06-17 19:13:00] <MCRABT> lol [2012-06-17 19:13:01] <MCRABT> who cares [2012-06-17 19:13:05] <MCRABT> what they gonna do [2012-06-17 19:13:19] <HollandLikaschivulkaschlick> GLOF will just blow us off. [2012-06-17 19:13:23] <USMC|AWAY> if they roll Tetris it won't end well [2012-06-17 19:13:25] <USMC|AWAY> lol [2012-06-17 19:13:29] <REDACTED> [22:12] <HollandLikaschivulkaschlick> Well, this will most certainly end badly. [2012-06-17 19:13:30] <REDACTED> LOL [2012-06-17 19:13:34] <MCRABT> lol [2012-06-17 19:13:38] <MCRABT> oops. [2012-06-17 19:13:38] <Aggressivenutmeg> lol, they wont [2012-06-17 19:13:39] <HollandLikaschivulkaschlick> Or not. [2012-06-17 19:13:41] <Aggressivenutmeg> its just trolling [2012-06-17 19:13:42] <HollandLikaschivulkaschlick> $%&@ if I know. [2012-06-17 19:13:48] <MCRABT> They'll just go [2012-06-17 19:13:54] <MCRABT> HEY, LSF WERE MANIPULATING US [2012-06-17 19:13:55] <USMC|AWAY> idkwhy DT would be investigating MCRABT [2012-06-17 19:13:57] <MCRABT> and we'll go like [2012-06-17 19:14:04] <MCRABT> lol [2012-06-17 19:14:05] <MCRABT> yeah [2012-06-17 19:14:08] <MCRABT> and you fell for it[/quote][/spoiler] Of course, posting this would be detrimental to this whole "- Sanctioning the false impression of an IRON government official with intent to deceive an IRON ally and in doing so attempting to cause an unwarranted attack on an innocent third party" thing. No matter that the sanctioning of it is patently false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Miller Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1340219015' post='2990374'] Interesting how you didn't post the evidence I sent Matt Miller last night. [spoiler] Just a note, LSF allows multiple non-LSF friends and allies in their private channel, so I am redacting any non-LSF IRC nicks (looks like there was only one other talking), save for my own and Bob from Dark Templar who entered the channel during this all (this mostly serves to prove he didn't state it was a joke after getting caught). [/spoiler] Of course, posting this would be detrimental to this whole "- Sanctioning the false impression of an IRON government official with intent to deceive an IRON ally and in doing so attempting to cause an unwarranted attack on an innocent third party" thing. No matter that the sanctioning of it is patently false. [/quote] I noticed that less than an hour ago as I'm sure the timestamp of our convo will show. Not that it really matters as I explained to you as LSF has shown a pattern of behavior with the hidden message in their "apology" as the exclamation point. Besides I still don't buy it was a joke. He was fishing for trouble with our allies, you and I just don't see it the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1340218822' post='2990372'] Aye, I see where you're coming from here. But with all due respect, I didn't buy this line as a valid CB when Grub shelled it out. I find it hard to buy now as well. [/quote] just wondering, does IRON also declaring change the position LSF has been in? if not, why does it even matter to you? you didn't think it was worth it to defend them against NoR, odds are you aren't going in against IRON, whats it matter? LSF has been shown to have no allies over the past few days, so obviously people are going to be vultures, that's how this world works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC123 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Matt Miller' timestamp='1340219374' post='2990381'] I noticed that less than an hour ago as I'm sure the timestamp of our convo will show. Not that it really matters as I explained to you as LSF has shown a pattern of behavior with the hidden message in their "apology" as the exclamation point. Besides I still don't buy it was a joke. He was fishing for trouble with our allies, you and I just don't see it the same way. [/quote] Fair enough, I didn't check the timestamp I am kinda confused how you can think it wasn't a joke, I mean those logs pretty clearly state he was going to let them know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoppistan Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 (edited) If terms are reached in a diplomatic conference, do them, and do them right. Or otherwise flip them the bird and go to war. But regardless of the case, allies shouldn't complain about the "unfairness" of terms or bemoan the resulting fallout of not meeting them. If the terms weren't fair, then they shouldn't have been agreed to. Trotsky, I like you buddy, but your better move would have been to acknowledge LSF's right to pursue such a reckless course- without trying to chastise IRON for simply making good on their threats of seeking satisfaction for an obvious grievance. If they are worth the sacrifice of Int's resources and allies, then roll tanks. And if they're not, wash your hands of them. But don't say one thing and do another. Good luck, man. --- [quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1340215847' post='2990296'] Very few people have what it takes to be a true diva. [/quote] Edited June 20, 2012 by Kzoppistan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [2012-06-17 19:13:55] <USMC|AWAY> idkwhy DT would be investigating MCRABT I noticed that the fake MCRABT wasn't in #IRON, and instead was in that channel and a few others. I then joined those channels, took note of who was in them (as well as IPs), and then relayed the information along. Optimistic was both Tulak_Hord and MCRABT, as IPs showed. Given that this was the second attempt from LSF to try to get GLOF to declare war on NoR, I don't think this was taken as a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Glad to see this happen. Hopefully IRON and NOR will beat the stupid out of LSF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Whimsical Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Yay Mia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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