Bordiga Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1339928521' post='2986388'] So you're going to wait six months for NoR's allies to progressively drop them and then for TPF to attack them to do anything? I mean, that's how it looks like right now anyway. [/quote] So damn funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laslo Kenez Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1339818724' post='2985538'] In character we are whatever we claim to be. That's the point of a character, we set the theme and outline. We are a Germanic or even pan-European militaristic alliance. Obviously borrowing some symbolism from that general idea, though certainly not exclusively from world war 2. Any other inference as to our morals or beliefs based on your interpretation is just that, your interpretation. And in this case your (among others') interpretation is misguided and incorrect. [/quote] You can be whatever you claim to be, but everyone else can always read past authorial intent into the sub-text of your work, and, well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
603Redneck Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote name='Laslo Kenez' timestamp='1339930392' post='2986394'] You can be whatever you claim to be, but everyone else can always read past authorial intent into the sub-text of your work, and, well... [/quote] are you serious laz? do you actually believe that crap? if you actually buy into this crap then your not the man i thought you were while i was in GATO....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nestor Durruti Magon Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 oh look. a fascist challenges someone's masculinity. It should be noted where the real fight in Cybernations is right now. Here's some fodder towards that notation: Libertarian Socialist Federation: 45 Nations War Search Results: Your search for Libertarian Socialist Federation returned 99 results Mushroom Kingdom: 143 Nations War Search Results: Your search for mushroom kingdom returned 102 results Mushroom Kingdom, the current focus of the current global war, has 100 more nations and is engaged in only 3 more wars. To put it in further perspective: The ratio of wars currently being fought to nations within an alliance in MK is 0.71. In the LSF, it's over three times that at 2.2. The MK war is a thin smokescreen to allow NoR to go to war against the LSF with no interference from her larger allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Mae Mac Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote name='Nestor Durruti Magon' timestamp='1339948942' post='2986473'] The MK war is a thin smokescreen to allow NoR to go to war against the LSF with no interference from her larger allies. [/quote] Typical conspiracy theory from LSF... What I still don't understand is why LSF feels the need to paint itself as a victim in all this. Is it because you can't justify aiding rogues? Your alliance has been trying to spin everything from the very start so that it appears as though NoR has just been bullying you and pushing you around when, in reality, you have been trying to provoke this war for quite some time. You are not martyrs for some "cause," you're just irritants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote name='Daisy Mae Mac' timestamp='1339953188' post='2986500'] Typical conspiracy theory from LSF... What I still don't understand is why LSF feels the need to paint itself as a victim in all this. Is it because you can't justify aiding rogues? Your alliance has been trying to spin everything from the very start so that it appears as though NoR has just been bullying you and pushing you around when, in reality, you have been trying to provoke this war for quite some time. You are not martyrs for some "cause," you're just irritants. [/quote] It's almost like they wanted to fight you, as if they had some kind of grievance from the past, compounded by ideological issues with your alliance. No, that's ridiculous, clearly LSF are just bullies picking on innocent Nordreich. After all, we all know that the good people of NoR would never even think about disrespecting or seeking war with leftist alliances, as we can judge by their past behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nestor Durruti Magon Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote name='Daisy Mae Mac' timestamp='1339953188' post='2986500']What I still don't understand is why LSF feels the need to paint itself as a victim in all this. Is it because you can't justify aiding rogues? Your alliance has been trying to spin everything from the very start so that it appears as though NoR has just been bullying you and pushing you around when, in reality, you have been trying to provoke this war for quite some time.[/quote] You're an idiot who has reading comprehension problems. I'm not saying LSF is some sort of innocent victim. Quite the contrary. Read anything I've written in this and the other thread. NoR isn't bullying anyone, and my complaint isn't with NoR at all. It's with the general focus on alliances living in relative peace while a much hotter war is happening between our two alliances, with a more compelling CB and motive. I think it's better for your alliance if our war receives less attention. The "other war" has certainly distracted several of our allies, and it's quite convenient for you that that is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Bromeini Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Hereno is correct. Nordreich has a rich and respectable history and would never bully an alliance just becau.. http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/index.php?showtopic=75948 welp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinzent Zeppelin Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1339955523' post='2986526'] Hereno is correct. Nordreich has a rich and respectable history and would never bully an alliance just becau.. http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/index.php?showtopic=75948 welp. [/quote] > Not-Nordreich attacked Not-LSF 5 years ago, in an episode for which Martens has publicly apologized. You make a compelling argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Bromeini Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote name='Vinzent Zeppelin' timestamp='1339957166' post='2986544'] > Not-Nordreich attacked Not-LSF 5 years ago, in an episode for which Martens has publicly apologized. You make a compelling argument. [/quote] Not-Nordreich. Same flavor, different brand. I thought ya'll had finally decided to give up on that argument. Especially given your current gov line-up. Heh. At any rate, it's still funny to see NoR play the victim card to here. Maybe we can end this war if LSF just issues a public apology, since that's apparently a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Laslo Kenez' timestamp='1339930392' post='2986394'] You can be whatever you claim to be, but everyone else can always read past authorial intent into the sub-text of your work, and, well... [/quote] So what you're saying is that your allegations exist based off the evidence you've concocted in your head right? Kindly keep them there. [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1339958618' post='2986553'] At any rate, it's still funny to see NoR play the victim card to here. [/quote] I don't see anyone from NoR playing the victim. Unless you consider the nations attacked by the LSF sponsored nations victims, which I suppose would be accurate. Beyond that, we're crushing LSF and we're going to win the war so that's where any association with NoR being a victim would end. Edited June 17, 2012 by Captain Flinders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Bromeini Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1339968042' post='2986627']and we're going to win the war [/quote] Good luck. Edited June 17, 2012 by Ayatollah Bromeini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemhauser Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1339958618' post='2986553']Maybe we can end this war if LSF just issues a public apology, since that's apparently a big deal. [/quote] A surrender will do just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potato Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 If that can help settle all this, both sides are dumb and annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Mae Mac Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1339953736' post='2986505'] clearly LSF are just bullies picking on innocent Nordreich. After all, we all know that the good people of NoR would never even think about disrespecting or seeking war with leftist alliances, as we can judge by their past behavior. [/quote] I didn't say LSF was picking on us. LSF isn't big enough to pick on us. What I'm saying is that acting like NoR is somehow unjustly attacking is just incorrect. [quote name='Nestor Durruti Magon' timestamp='1339955359' post='2986524']I think it's better for your alliance if our war receives less attention. The "other war" has certainly distracted several of our allies, and it's quite convenient for you that that is the case. [/quote] Why [i]should[/i] your allies come to your defense if your alliance did something stupid like aid rogues who were attacking a bigger, better-prepared alliance? LSF did something dumb and is now facing the consequences. Maybe it's convenient, but if you know NoR well, then you know that we're not afraid of a little extra war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeros Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1339969970' post='2986644'] Good luck. [/quote] I don't think NoR needs much luck at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Bromeini Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Aeros' timestamp='1339983454' post='2986905'] I don't think NoR needs much luck [b]at this point[/b]. [/quote] Key words, but indeed, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Alliances espousing the two stupidest political regimes ever conceived in the history of mankind going at it? I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Mae Mac Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1339987956' post='2987072'] Key words, but indeed, I agree. [/quote] Ooh, foreboding. Can't wait to see what's cooking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hastein Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1339987956' post='2987072'] Key words, but indeed, I agree. [/quote] [quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1339958618' post='2986553'] Not-Nordreich. Same flavor, different brand. I thought ya'll had finally decided to give up on that argument. Especially given your current gov line-up. Heh. At any rate, it's still funny to see NoR play the victim card to here. Maybe we can end this war if LSF just issues a public apology, since that's apparently a big deal. [/quote] Please, we aren't the ones tossing around words like "victim card" (kind of a !@#$%* term to use as far as your suggested politics, no? Or are you merely a weekend warrior "lefty"?) and "bullying." As far as I've seen we've never claimed to be victims and I don't see how retaliating against fake "rogue" ("rogues? what rogues"? note those same nations have already rejoined LSF) attacks against young NoR nations is "bullying." What would you have us do? LSF attacks young nations, some students, and we just sit about and twiddle our thumbs and go "oh well, they're so much smaller than us so we'll ignore it," while in the meantime attacks and aiding of those attacks continue? What alliance would tolerate that? Bullying would mean we attack LSF for no reason. We didn't. We had a pretty damn good reason. If an alliance doesn't defend its own when attacked, there's no point to being in that alliance and no nation would have incentive to join that alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblies Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 You Powindah have no clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Monkey Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 (edited) You are right. These powindah have not a single clue. This whole planet is comprised of hordes of powindah being manipulated by a few lizord sires that made their way to the leadership positions in the large alliances. Day in and day out, thousands of powindah collect taxes, build infra, prepare for war. But whose war do they fight? always someone elses. Every time. What a wasted pathetic existence. They are not living their nations lives. their whole presence on this world is just being t a pawn in someone elses game. If someone grows sick of this web of manipulation, and does something the grand lizord ayatollahs deem unacceptable. Hordes of mindless drones drone on and on. HURRR YOU EVIL HURRR YOU BAD HURRR YOU DUMB HURR YOU PATHETIC. No I just dont give a $%&@. They really really haven't got a clue. It's all good though. Bismelesef al rahmaan al raheem, they will be cleansed by the fires of salahi rahmet. Edited June 18, 2012 by Space Monkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 I think everyone knows that. The issue is a herd mentality in general that persists around here and people like being pawns because they don't have to do much except shoot when told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laslo Kenez Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1339968042' post='2986627'] So what you're saying is that your allegations exist based off the evidence you've concocted in your head right? Kindly keep them there. [/quote] Yes, "concocted in my head", in the sense that any analysis beyond the thinly veiled statements put out regarding your imagary and theme nearly always comes to the same conclusion. Otherwise, this is all a tautology; you are not representing something deeply questionable because that was yesterday, and yesterday is nothing like today because you say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Mae Mac Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 [quote name='Space Monkey' timestamp='1340008413' post='2987499'] You are right. These powindah have not a single clue. This whole planet is comprised of hordes of powindah being manipulated by a few lizord sires that made their way to the leadership positions in the large alliances. Day in and day out, thousands of powindah collect taxes, build infra, prepare for war. But whose war do they fight? always someone elses. Every time. What a wasted pathetic existence. They are not living their nations lives. their whole presence on this world is just being t a pawn in someone elses game. If someone grows sick of this web of manipulation, and does something the grand lizord ayatollahs deem unacceptable. Hordes of mindless drones drone on and on. HURRR YOU EVIL HURRR YOU BAD HURRR YOU DUMB HURR YOU PATHETIC. No I just dont give a $%&@. [/quote] And this kind of attitude is why LSF isn't efficient. Why don't you just disband and then all of you can be "free individual" rogues all you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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