The American Forum

[Sigurd Odinnson]

[quote name='Tanis777' timestamp='1326363017' post='2898021']
The Kuklos response would merit O'Malley's time to respond, "While you are right that colonialism is an ideology, war could be used against it if it were total war. Note total war in terms of the annihilation of said governments to total victory, although I admit this is an impossible and illogical scenario. It is something I don't condone the use of war against foreign colonialism, for it is folly for the unprepared. Your goal is an admirable goal and attainable one. As I said before, control of the world markets against what others have termed "foreign occupiers" with the nations mentioned and known are fairly self-sufficient from the raw resources originating from America. And those that hold territory here, Adjutor Erdstrom, don't really need our resources, they have access to a fair amount already. The point I'm driving is Mister Erdstrom, if you are versed in the ways of economics, you need to take a good look at the map and see... colonialism won't die with whatever presumed thought of controlling the American output of raw materials. Would I be wrong with bring up these points? What say the control of the Alaskan North Slope, or the Bahamas, or the Lower Caribbean by various European and Asian powers, those regions have resources to be obtained? I cannot stress the point of the matter of my last speech, economic unity will not guaranteed the end of American colonialism, it actually might enhance it."
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Erdstrom visible chafed at being called "Mister" like any commoner among the group. He was used to his title, and held the title of Adjutor, but at least expected "His Excellency" or "Your Excellency" as he had been polite enough to use in reference to his fellow delegates. His own delegation also responded with raised eyebrows at the word as it scraped across the air in their direction. The Adjutor nonetheless realised that he had to make a response, and he could not focus on titles and respect when the issue at hand was his knowledge and expertise of his own department.

"I do not believe I said otherwise in regards to colonialism and total war: however, my declaration was not that total war was impossible, but that it was the most undesirable and destructive outcome, beyond the realm of a sane man's options. I have not presumed to have the power to "kill" colonialism. I have only said that through economic unity we can remove a cause of colonialism. We cannot defeat, we cannot delete, we cannot destroy the ideology of colonialism: the best we can do is face it and... [size="2"]what do you Americans say[/size]... "play ball". That is why I am proposing this Treaty Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Nations, as the first step to become colonial powers on our own - to colonise [i]ourselves[/i] in a manner of speaking, and therefore turn ourselves into an economic machine on the level of those who are presently threats to a dispersed and disjointed group of young or weak states. We cannot be strong unless we grow in strength together - simply declaring ourselves unified and following a policy of "kick out the foreigners" is not going to achieve anything, because ultimately we will remain what we are presently: weak, dispersed economies doing battled with massive empires. We are already colonies for the taking. We must take ourselves before we are taken from the outside: this is the principal which will give us world power.

"That said, in response to the Winter Contingency, I think we can be clear that petroleum importing countries can only benefit from such a cartel as the one I propose. That said, perhaps I ought simply to table this agreement and see who is willing to sign on rather than continue this cacophonous argument regarding war and colonialism."

[quote][b]American Treaty Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Nations (ATOPEN)[/b]

[b]Preamble:[/b] The mission of the American Treaty Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Nations (ATOPEN) is to coordinate and unify the petroleum policies of its Member nations and ensure the stabilization of oil markets in order to secure an efficient, economic and regular supply of petroleum to consumers, a steady income to producers and a fair return on capital for those investing in the petroleum industry.

[b]Article I.[/b]

The American Treaty Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Nations (ATOPEN), hereinafter referred to as “the Organisation”, created as a permanent intergovernmental Organisation in conformity with the Resolutions of the Diet of the Representatives of the Governments of Kuklos, Pravus Ingruo, Vicidalia, and Texas, held in New York shall carry out its functions in accordance with the provisions set forth hereunder.

[b]Article II.[/b]

The Organisation shall be guided by the principle of the sovereign equality of its Member Nations. Member Nations shall fulfil, in good faith, the obligations assumed by them in accordance with this Statute.

[b]Article III.[/b]

If, as a result of the application of any decision of the Organisation, sanctions are employed, directly or indirectly, by any interested company or companies against one or more Member Nations, no other Member shall accept any offer of a beneficial treatment, whether in the form of an increase in oil exports or in an improvement in prices, which may be made to it by such interested company or companies with the intention of discouraging the application of the decision of the Organisation.

[b]Article IV. [/b]

The Organisation shall have its Headquarters at the place the Diet decides upon; the official language of the Organisation shall be English.

[b]Article V.[/b]

1. Founder Members of the Organisation are those countries which were represented at the First Diet, held in New York, and which signed the original agreement of the establishment of the Organisation.
2 . Full Members shall be the Founder Members, as well as those countries whose application for membership has been accepted by the Diet.
3. Any other country with a substantial net export of crude petroleum, which has its fields in the Americas, and which has fundamentally similar interests to those of Member Nations, may become a Full Member of the Organisation, if accepted by a majority of three-fourths of Full Members, including the concurrent vote of all Founder Members.
4. A net petroleum-exporting country, which does not qualify for membership under paragraph 3 above, may nevertheless be admitted as an Associate Member by the Diet under such special conditions as may be prescribed by the Diet, if accepted by a majority of three-fourths, including the concurrent vote of all Founder Members. No country may be admitted to Associate Membership which
does not fundamentally have interests and aims similar to those of Member Nations.
5. Associate Members may be invited by the Diet to attend any Meeting of a Diet, the Senate or Consultative Meetings and to participate in their deliberations without the right to vote. They are, however, fully entitled to benefit from all general facilities of the Secretariat, including its publications and library, as any Full Member.
6. Whenever the words “Members” or “Member Nations” occur in this Statute, they mean a Full Member of the Organisation, unless the context demonstrates to the contrary.

[b]Article VI.[/b]
No Member of the Organisation may withdraw from membership without giving notice of its intention to do so to the Diet. Such notice shall take effect at the beginning of the next year after the date of its receipt by the Diet, subject to the Member having at that time fulfilled all financial obligations arising out of its membership. In the event of any country having ceased to be a Member of the Organisation, its readmission to membership shall be made in accordance with Article V, paragraph 3.

[b]Article VII[/b]

The Diet shall be the supreme authority of the Organisation and shall hold two Ordinary Meetings a year. However, an Extraordinary Meeting of the Diet may be convened at the request of a Member Nation by the Secretary General, after consultation with the President and approval by a simple majority of the Member Nations. In the absence of unanimity among Member Nations approving the convening of such a Meeting, as to the date and venue of the Meeting, they shall be fixed by the Secretary General in consultation with the President. Otherwise, The Diet shall normally be held at the Headquarters of the Organisation, but it may meet in any of the Member Nations, or elsewhere as may be advisable.

[b]Article VIII[/b]
1. The Diet shall consist of delegations representing the Member Nations. A delegation may consist of one or more delegates, as well as advisers and observers. When a delegation consists of more than one person, the appointing country shall nominate one person as the Head of the Delegation.
2. Each Member Nation should be represented at all Diets; however, a quorum of three-quarters of Member Nations shall be necessary for holding a Diet.
3. Each Full Member Nation shall have one vote. All decisions of the Diet, other than on procedural matters, shall require the unanimous agreement of all Full Members. The Diet Resolutions shall become effective after 30 days from the conclusion of the Meeting, or after such period as the Diet may decide unless, within the said period, the Secretariat receives notification from Member Nations to the contrary. In the case of a Full Member being absent from the Meeting of the Diet, the Resolutions of the Diet shall become effective unless the Secretariat receives a notification to the contrary from the said Member, at least ten days before the date fixed for publication of the Resolutions.
4. A non-Member Nation may be invited to attend a Diet as Observer, if the Diet so decides.

[b]Article IX.[/b]
1. The Diet shall elect a President and an Vice President at its first Preliminary Meeting. The Vice President shall
exercise the responsibilities of the President during his absence, or when he is unable to carry out his responsibilities. The President shall hold office for the duration of the Meeting of the Diet, and shall retain the title until the next Meeting. The Secretary General shall be the Secretary of the Diet.

2. The Diet shall:
[list][*]formulate the general policy of the Organisation and determine the appropriate ways and means of its implementation;
[*]decide upon any application for membership of the Organisation;
[*]confirm the appointment of Members of the Senate;
[*]direct the Senate to submit reports or make recommendations on any matters of interest to the Organisation;
[*]consider, or decide upon, the reports and recommendations submitted by the Senate on the affairs of the Organisation;
[*]consider and decide upon the Budget of the Organisation, as submitted by the Senate;
[*]consider and decide upon the Statement of Accounts and the Auditor’s Report, as submitted by the Senate;
[*]call a Consultative Meeting for such Member Nations, for such purposes, and in such places, as the Diet deems fit;
[*] approve any amendments to this Statute;
[*] appoint the Premier of the Senate and an Second Premier;
[*] appoint the Secretary General; and
[*] appoint the Auditor of the Organisation for a duration of one year.
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3. All matters that are not expressly assigned to other organs of the Organisation shall fall within the competence of the Diet.

[b]Article X.[/b]
1. The Senate shall be composed of Delegates nominated by the Member Nations and confirmed by the Diet.Each Member of the Organisation should be represented at all Meetings of the Senate; however, a quorum of two-thirds shall be necessary for the holding of a Meeting.
2. When, for any reason, a Delegate is prevented from attending a Meeting of the Senate, a substitute ad hoc Delegate
shall be nominated by the corresponding Member Nation. Such nomination shall not require confirmation by the Diet. At
the Meetings which he attends, the ad hoc Delegate shall have the same status as the other Delegates, except as regards qualifications for Premiership of the Senate.
3. Each Delegate shall have one vote. A simple majority vote of attending Delegates shall be required for decisions of the Senate. The term of office of each Delegate shall be two years.
4. The Senate shall meet no less than twice each year, at suitable intervals to be determined by the Premier, after consultation with the Secretary General.
5. An Extraordinary Meeting of the Senate may be convened at the request of the Premier of the Board, the Secretary General, or two-thirds of the Delegates.
6. The Meetings of the Senate shall normally be held at the Headquarters of the Organisation, but they may also be held in any of the Member Nations, or elsewhere as may be advisable.
7. The Senate shall:
[list][*]direct the management of the affairs of the Organisation and the implementation of the decisions of the Diet;
[*]consider and decide upon any reports submitted by the Secretary General;
[*]submit reports and make recommendations to the Diet on the affairs of the Organisation;
[*] draw up the Budget of the Organisation for each calendar year and submit it to the Diet for approval;
[*]nominate the Auditor of the Organisation for a duration of one year;
[*]consider the Statement of Accounts and the Auditor’s Report and submit them to the Diet for approval;
[*]approve the appointment of Directors of Divisions and Heads of Departments, upon nomination by Member Nations, due consideration being given to the recommendations of the Secretary General;
[*]convene an Extraordinary Meeting of the Diet; and prepare the Agenda for the Diet.
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[b]Article XI.[/b]
1. The Premier of the Senate and the Second Premier, who shall assume all the responsibilities of the Premier whenever the Premier is absent or unable to exercise his responsibilities, shall be appointed by the Diet from among the Delegates for a period of one year, in accordance with the principle of alphabetical rotation. The date of membership in the Organisation, however, shall take precedence over the principle of alphabetical rotation.
2. The Premier of the Senate shall:
[list][*]preside over the Meetings of the Senate;
[*]attend the Headquarters of the Organisation in preparation for each Meeting of the Senate; and
[*]represent the Senate at Diets and Consultative Meetings.[/list]
3. Should a majority of two-thirds of Delegates decide that the continuance of Membership of any Delegate is detrimental to the interests of the Organisation, the Premier of the Senate shall immediately communicate this decision to the Member Nation affected, who in turn shall nominate a substitute for the said Delegate before the next Meeting of the Senate. The nomination of such substitute as a Delegate shall be subject to confirmation by the following Diet.
4. Should a Delegate, for any reason, be precluded from continuing in the performance of his functions on the Senate, the corresponding Member Nation shall nominate a replacement.The nominated Delegate shall assume his functions upon nomination subject to confirmation by the following Diet.

[b]Article XII.[/b]
1. A Consultative Meeting shall be composed of Heads of Delegations of Member Countries or their representatives. In case a Conference is not in session, a Consultative Meeting may be convened at any time at the request of the President of the Diet. The Agenda of each Consultative Meeting shall be prepared by the President of the Diet, unless it has been previously specified by the Conference itself.
2. The Consultative Meeting may pass decisions or recommendations to be approved by the next Diet, unless otherwise
authorised by a previous Diet.

[b]Article XIII.[/b]
1. The Diet may establish specialised organs, as circumstances require, in order to assist in resolving certain problems of particular importance. The specialised organs shall function in accordance with the Resolutions or Statutes prepared to that effect.
2. The specialised organs shall operate within the general framework of the Secretariat of the Organisation, both functionally and financially.
3. The specialised organs shall act at all times in accordance with the principles of the Organisation, as set out in the Resolutions of the Diet.

[b]Article XIV.[/b]
1. Amendments to this Statute may be proposed by any Member Nation. Such proposed amendments shall be considered by the Senate which, if it so decides, shall recommend their adoption to the Diet.
2. All Resolutions contrary to the context of this Statute shall be abrogated.

[b]Article XV.[/b]
This Statute shall be applied from its adoption at the American Forums in New York City.[/quote]

[Tanis777]

[quote]
"I do not believe I said otherwise in regards to colonialism and total war: however, my declaration was not that total war was impossible, but that it was the most undesirable and destructive outcome, beyond the realm of a sane man's options. I have not presumed to have the power to "kill" colonialism. I have only said that through economic unity we can remove a cause of colonialism. We cannot defeat, we cannot delete, we cannot destroy the ideology of colonialism: the best we can do is face it and... what do you Americans say... "play ball". That is why I am proposing this Treaty Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Nations, as the first step to become colonial powers on our own - to colonise ourselves in a manner of speaking, and therefore turn ourselves into an economic machine on the level of those who are presently threats to a dispersed and disjointed group of young or weak states. We cannot be strong unless we grow in strength together - simply declaring ourselves unified and following a policy of "kick out the foreigners" is not going to achieve anything, because ultimately we will remain what we are presently: weak, dispersed economies doing battled with massive empires. We are already colonies for the taking. We must take ourselves before we are taken from the outside: this is the principal which will give us world power."[/quote]

"A concise answer Adjutor Erdstrom to the first half of my statement. I am extremely pleased to hear this clarification. You have good first steps Adjutor; however, you have sidestepped the broader picture in the geopolitical landscape. The massive empires don't need our resources, although the suggestion from you is that unity will breed further internal strength. I cannot say California is internally weak and I cannot speak for other nations. Sure, we don't have any strength outside of our regional area, global power isn't our thing. I'm not advocating "kick out the foreigners", I'm simply addressing a problem in which a verbal agreement has been simply made." O'Malley replied.

The secretary would sit back down to write a few things on another piece of paper for his viewing only later to keep thoughts on the meeting when he was going back to California. He decided in his mind, the Kuklos delegates were worth visiting later after the meeting, while Cuba and a few other newer American nations didn't deserve an state visit from California in the near future as what was written on the piece of paper. O'Malley's dealings with Tianxia was more than enough to know the tough geopolitical landscape facing North America, it was simply not the case for the Kuklos delegation, even though being on the right track on economic affairs so far.

[Evangeline Anovilis]

[quote][b]Article I.[/b]

The American Treaty Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Nations (ATOPEN), hereinafter referred to as “the Organisation”, created as a permanent intergovernmental Organisation in conformity with the Resolutions of the Diet of the Representatives of the Governments of Kuklos, Pravus Ingruo, [color="#FF0000"][i]Vicidalia[/i][/color], and Texas, held in New York shall carry out its functions in accordance with the provisions set forth hereunder.[/quote]

[b]OOC:[/b] Ehhh, I know, I'm no longer in charge of Vicidalia (apart from IC, where I RP Valerie), but still, neither the Autonomous Region, nor the Lunar Republic are present (given our isolationism) and therefor I wonder how you coordinate their oil trade without them agreeing. This is neither nice nor realistic.

Edit: Emphasized the part of the text which I don't understand.

Edited January 12, 2012 by Evangeline Anovilis

[Atalanta]

Atalanta stood. "If creating an oil cartel is the Kuklos' way to stop foreign powers from encroaching in the Americas, then I fail to see the logic or wisdom behind it. They don't want our oil, they don't want our materials or resources. Further, the proliferation, control, surplus, or starvation of resources to a people have never had an effect in the last several decades - most nations are self-sufficient in this day and age.

"We agree fully with the delegation from California."

[Shadow hawk]

[quote name='Californian' timestamp='1326338688' post='2897834']
Speaking to Dominic, Rulfe replied, "We have been well, and I hope you have been as well? I would very much like to speak with you privately later to discuss the relationship between Canada, Newfoundland, and CAN. You are our oldest allies, and we have a great deal of respect and appreciation for the relationship we share."

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Dominic would reply to Rulfe, "It would be great to discuss the relationship between our countries sometime later. As old allies, this should be fruitful"

[quote]Article I.

The American Treaty Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Nations (ATOPEN), hereinafter referred to as “the Organisation”, created as a permanent intergovernmental Organisation in conformity with the Resolutions of the Diet of the Representatives of the Governments of Kuklos, Pravus Ingruo, Vicidalia, and Texas, held in New York shall carry out its functions in accordance with the provisions set forth hereunder.
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"Me, being president of Newfoundland, would like to ask if we can be apart of this "ATOPEN", as in a few short years, we could easily become one of the largest oil and petroleum exporters in the world. Of course, it'll take a few more years to reach this, but we feel that we should be apart of this.

Edited January 12, 2012 by Shadow hawk

[Fizzydog]

Harold Cheve stood. "What is this oil cartel you are creating? Why are we not unifying our entire continent and all of our economies? I do not understand what this meeting has come to; the Union was hoping for a diplomatic solution to end American colonialism and we have turned to a few nations creating an oil pact? Where is the continent wide unity I was hoping for? Are we simply going to sulk in a corner and ignore the imperialists? Bah! I am confused, what has this meeting come to?"

[Mara Lithaen]

Mara amusedly watches the forum come off the rails...

[Sigurd Odinnson]

[quote name='Evangeline Anovilis' timestamp='1326404522' post='2898252']
[b]OOC:[/b] Ehhh, I know, I'm no longer in charge of Vicidalia (apart from IC, where I RP Valerie), but still, neither the Autonomous Region, nor the Lunar Republic are present (given our isolationism) and therefor I wonder how you coordinate their oil trade without them agreeing. This is neither nice nor realistic.

Edit: Emphasized the part of the text which I don't understand.
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[quote name='Shadow hawk' timestamp='1326405595' post='2898265']
Dominic would reply to Rulfe, "It would be great to discuss the relationship between our countries sometime later. As old allies, this should be fruitful"



"Me, being president of Newfoundland, would like to ask if we can be apart of this "ATOPEN", as in a few short years, we could easily become one of the largest oil and petroleum exporters in the world. Of course, it'll take a few more years to reach this, but we feel that we should be apart of this.
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OOC: It was just a list I threw together a while ago.

IC: "Of course, the names in the document are purely projections of the hypothetical organisation. I expect - indeed, I hope - that this list will not be the final list for the official agreement if other nations see fit to join. The organisation is in no way formed, so of course any and all interested parties here who fit the criteria are invited to become part of this great step toward greater economic cooperation in the Americas."

[quote name='Atalanta' timestamp='1326405538' post='2898263']
Atalanta stood. "If creating an oil cartel is the Kuklos' way to stop foreign powers from encroaching in the Americas, then I fail to see the logic or wisdom behind it. They don't want our oil, they don't want our materials or resources. Further, the proliferation, control, surplus, or starvation of resources to a people have never had an effect in the last several decades - most nations are self-sufficient in this day and age.

"We agree fully with the delegation from California."
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[quote name='Fizzydog' timestamp='1326406062' post='2898270']
Harold Cheve stood. "What is this oil cartel you are creating? Why are we not unifying our entire continent and all of our economies? I do not understand what this meeting has come to; the Union was hoping for a diplomatic solution to end American colonialism and we have turned to a few nations creating an oil pact? Where is the continent wide unity I was hoping for? Are we simply going to sulk in a corner and ignore the imperialists? Bah! I am confused, what has this meeting come to?"
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Erdstrom was deeply surprised by the Cuban delegation's sudden change in attitude toward economic measures. "It seems to me that Her Excellency the Delegate from Cuba is in a particularly special place if Cuba is self-sufficient. I would think that all nations ought to strive toward such economic independence; I am sure I am among many who did not think it possible for a nation to survive self-sufficiently, without the need of international trade and economic cooperation!

"In response to His Excellency the Delegate of the East American Union, the debate over what this Forum was meant to achieve has led to pointless bickering and argument. If the East American Union would like to continue to quibble over the point of these Forums, they are welcome, but it is my opinion - and I hope that I am not alone - that it is far more effective to give the Forums meaning through constructive contributions. The Confederation has been invited by several members to present the planned Organisation, and I have done so. I had high hopes that the ATOPEN would be but [i]one[/i] of many steps in the right direction, but if the Delegate from the East American Union considers such an agreement to be a termination of the Forums and the extent of what these Forums can achieve, the Confederation of Κυκλοι is willing to settle for that.

"I ask His Excellency what exactly he hoped for? What is 'a diplomatic solution to end American colonialism'? It should be clear to all delegates here that colonialism, like all ideologies, can only end when it has run its historical course. Without a total war on imperialist and colonialist powers, we cannot hope to eradicate colonialism, and the Confederation - which I hope is not alone - is not willing to commit to such a conflict that will inevitably engulf the world. The best diplomatic solution to our weakness as a group of nations is greater cooperation among us. It is not absurd to propose that such cooperation, like all [i]good[/i] solutions, is accomplished in steps, not in a single fell swoop.

"I do hope that similar constructive contributions to the Forums will not meet such opposition from other delegates."

Edited January 12, 2012 by Sigurd Odinnson

[Isaac MatthewII]

"Why was my time wasted with promise of a diplomatic resolve to the issues in the Americas which has turned into an oil cartel.This is why the Americas will never be able to stand up for them selves as long as the half wits are in charge."

[Tanis777]

O'Malley would wait to talk to New Spanish and Pravus Ingruo representatives towards the whenever the meeting would end. He knew that this oil cartel as it was being called wasn't worth his time to sign, at least here. California had more pressing issues locally that required more private conversations.

O'Malley would write another note to the various South American delegations that were in attendance.

"Greetings, What are your grievances and desired outcomes from this forum? We may help depending on the requests. If willing, discuss with our delegation privately in the back. - O'Malley, California."

He would copy this message a few times and fold each message up to his trusted aide and whispered, "Send these notes to all the South American delegates, let's see if I can generate more dialogue here with our southern brothers."

The aide strolled away into the crowd to find all the South American delegates.


Meanwhile, O'Malley was preparing for responses and moved his delegation towards the back of the conference room. "I'm going to move back towards the conference room exits, our delegation will be listening here. We'll contemplate this "treaty", remember, we're here to talk privately about on just about everything, you know where we are." O'Malley retorted.

Edited January 13, 2012 by Tanis777

[PresidentDavid]

"Out of all due respect to everyone here, these proceedings need to go on a little more organized or nothing is going to get done. I am honored I was allowed to come here to New York, however if this is how things are going to be run I think it is about time I make my way back to Texas."

With that Matt Damon waited for a reason not to leave while those at his hotel began packing their things to go back to The Republic.

[Suiza]

[quote name='PresidentDavid' timestamp='1326415750' post='2898394']
"Out of all due respect to everyone here, these proceedings need to go on a little more organized or nothing is going to get done. I am honored I was allowed to come here to New York, however if this is how things are going to be run I think it is about time I make my way back to Texas."

With that Matt Damon waited for a reason not to leave while those at his hotel began packing their things to go back to The Republic.
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[i]"Mr. Secretay, if I may ask. What is it you wish to accomplish here at the forums?

I think its time we replenish the spirit of cooperation we walked into the American Forums with. Now, I am certainly willing to endorse the ATOPEN as proposed by the Kuklosian delegation. This treaty organization will solidify certain bonds amongst American powers- bonds that have yet to be forged in such a way and I think that is certainly a step forward. So, Mr. Adjutor, as for those of us who represent nations who are not included in this treaty, such as myself, what is the benefit to the rest of us, if any, should the ATOPEN be formed?"[/i]

[Tanis777]

O'Malley would sigh at Secretary Damon's statement while muttering, "We're going to need more notes... $%&@, I'm probably going to need to save the forum... again."

Another note would be delivered to Matt Damon with it written, "Hello colleague, O'Malley here, what do you want to see out of this forum. Would deliver new treaty or something else. Write back to respond. - O'Malley"

The following note would be towards President Wilmington, "Mr. President, your speech was great and all, but this Kuklos economic treaty isn't what we're looking for it seems. Cooperate to rectify situation in some other means? Reply by note for an answer."

The next note would be directed to Empress Mara, "Mara, things looking grim here. Going to have to find a way to unify most of us under something than just economic means. Would I be wrong?"

All were folded and sent through three more aides by O'Malley to be delivered out to the respective addressees.

Edited January 13, 2012 by Tanis777

[Isaac MatthewII]

"Everyone please come to order and stop babbling about random things, I sugest we appoint a leader of these forums to end this now.Otherwise at least if you dont produce oil like the delegates from the confederacy this was a waste of time."

Edited January 13, 2012 by Isaac MatthewII

[PresidentDavid]

[quote name='Suiza' timestamp='1326416990' post='2898407']
[i]"Mr. Secretay, if I may ask. What is it you wish to accomplish here at the forums?

I think its time we replenish the spirit of cooperation we walked into the American Forums with. Now, I am certainly willing to endorse the ATOPEN as proposed by the Kuklosian delegation. This treaty organization will solidify certain bonds amongst American powers- bonds that have yet to be forged in such a way and I think that is certainly a step forward. So, Mr. Adjutor, as for those of us who represent nations who are not included in this treaty, such as myself, what is the benefit to the rest of us, if any, should the ATOPEN be formed?"[/i]
[/quote]

"What I want is an organized approach to help bringing American nations closer together economically and politically so we can first focus on keeping America American and then try to solve some of our possible internal problems. That, sir, is what I want. What we have right now is 10 people standing at once and yelling at one another while other nations try to create treaties which haven't even been discussed about. I am all for an economic treaty, but this needs to get more organized."

[PresidentDavid]

[quote name='Tanis777' timestamp='1326417475' post='2898414']
O'Malley would sigh at Secretary Damon's statement while muttering, "We're going to need more notes... $%&@, I'm probably going to need to save the forum... again."

Another note would be delivered to Matt Damon with it written, "Hello colleague, O'Malley here, what do you want to see out of this forum. Would deliver new treaty or something else. Write back to respond. - O'Malley"

The following note would be towards President Wilmington, "Mr. President, your speech was great and all, but this Kuklos economic treaty isn't what we're looking for it seems. Cooperate to rectify situation in some other means? Reply by note for an answer."

The next note would be directed to Empress Mara, "Mara, things looking grim here. Going to have to find a way to unify most of us under something than just economic means. Would I be wrong?"

All were folded and sent through three more aides by O'Malley to be delivered out to the respective addressees.
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Matt passed a note back, "I just want to see some type of unity between Americans come out of this so we can all agree to get along and defend the interests of the Americas such as keeping the two continents American. I don't mind a super-economic treaty, but quite frankly I could have manage that from Austin. I came here because I expected for ground to be made."

[Fizzydog]

Harold Cheve was certainly getting agitated. "This forum is dissolving, enough with the long, useless speeches and cut to the point!"

[Tanis777]

[quote name='PresidentDavid' timestamp='1326418226' post='2898424']
Matt passed a note back, "I just want to see some type of unity between Americans come out of this so we can all agree to get along and defend the interests of the Americas such as keeping the two continents American. I don't mind a super-economic treaty, but quite frankly I could have manage that from Austin. I came here because I expected for ground to be made."
[/quote]

The Californian aide standing near Secretary Damon took Damon's response on his note and walked back to O'Malley. O'Malley unfolded the note and read it slowly. He nodded grimly towards Damon while writing back.

"I wholly agree, the super-economic treaty is nice, but it's simply not enough for making ground. ATOPEN is too closed to all Americans and simply, an economic and basic security treaty would be beneficial to us all. Probably not as comprehensive as NATO, but slightly dumbed down for acceptance here. As for keeping America, Americans, we'll have to forge ahead in that arena diplomatically."

[PresidentDavid]

[quote name='Tanis777' timestamp='1326418618' post='2898430']
The Californian aide standing near Secretary Damon took Damon's response on his note and walked back to O'Malley. O'Malley unfolded the note and read it slowly. He nodded grimly towards Damon while writing back.

"I wholly agree, the super-economic treaty is nice, but it's simply not enough for making ground. ATOPEN is too closed to all Americans and simply, an economic and basic security treaty would be beneficial to us all. Probably not as comprehensive as NATO, but slightly dumbed down for acceptance here. As for keeping America, Americans, we'll have to forge ahead in that arena diplomatically."
[/quote]

Damon wrote back, "So do you think anything is going to get done here? I'm about ready to leave. I bet we could find a nice saloon here in New York and have a beer if you like."

[Suiza]

Wilmington would drop a reply note simply reading, [i]"I have another idea." [/i]

Addressing the forum,
[i]"Why don't we establish what is simple, and what most if not all of us here seek short of a petroleom treaty organizations, war, and no headway at all. Let us commit to an American Hemispherical Defense Pact. Strictly formalizing the common obligation to protect this hemisphere from further incursion. Our individual stances on foreign colonialism already here can remain our own, and this would not bind us to employ force to quell inter-American conflicts, and of course trade and other treaties can be worked out individually or later on, but let us at the very least establish this, AHDP, if you will."[/i]

Edited January 13, 2012 by Suiza

[Tanis777]

[quote name='PresidentDavid' timestamp='1326419093' post='2898432']
Damon wrote back, "So do you think anything is going to get done here? I'm about ready to leave. I bet we could find a nice saloon here in New York and have a beer if you like."
[/quote]

"It's a remote possibility... I would take you up on the offer for a beer Secretary before we leave New York." O'Malley wrote back.

O'Malley received Wilmington's note and was slightly puzzled while Wilmington rose to speak. "Well, now that was somewhat more like it." he muttered. He would write back another note to Wilmington, "Good idea, have a rough draft over here if needed, although economic provision on a general level should be included."

O'Malley would make a short statement, "President Wilmington's idea will be an acceptable deal to probably most of us as long as we avoid the touchy subject already. As for ATOPEN, this treaty should be in a separate discussion at a later date amongst petroleum exporting nations in the Americas, but it has no place here.

In the meantime, he would flesh out details for AHDP in his mind with a treaty draft written specifically when groups weren't cooperating well at the moment.

Edited January 13, 2012 by Tanis777

[Sigurd Odinnson]

[quote name='Suiza' timestamp='1326416990' post='2898407']
[i]"Mr. Secretay, if I may ask. What is it you wish to accomplish here at the forums?

I think its time we replenish the spirit of cooperation we walked into the American Forums with. Now, I am certainly willing to endorse the ATOPEN as proposed by the Kuklosian delegation. This treaty organization will solidify certain bonds amongst American powers- bonds that have yet to be forged in such a way and I think that is certainly a step forward. So, Mr. Adjutor, as for those of us who represent nations who are not included in this treaty, such as myself, what is the benefit to the rest of us, if any, should the ATOPEN be formed?"[/i]
[/quote]

[quote name='Suiza' timestamp='1326419135' post='2898433']
Wilmington would drop a reply note simply reading, [i]"I have another idea." [/i]

Addressing the forum,
[i]"Why don't we establish what is simple, and what most if not all of us here seek short of a petroleom treaty organizations, war, and no headway at all. Let us commit to an American Hemispherical Defense Pact. Strictly formalizing the common obligation to protect this hemisphere from further incursion. Our individual stances on foreign colonialism already here can remain our own, and this would not bind us to employ force to quell inter-American conflicts, and of course trade and other treaties can be worked out individually or later on, but let us at the very least establish this, AHDP, if you will."[/i]
[/quote]


Erdstrom waited for the crowd to calm and allow him to answer the question posed by Wilmington. "The chief benefit would be economic imperative for cheaper oil, I suppose; more than this, though, I had hoped that support for ATOPEN would also be generated on the part of nations seeking other economic agreements - the word 'cartel' has such a negative connotation - that would unify the Americas. I am not sure where all of these delegates are getting the idea that this somehow is the end-all and be-all of the Forums. If they came here hoping to accomplish only one thing, it seems a narrow approach to a breadth of possibilities indeed. The Confederation, however, is not interested in pursuing any binding treaties that would force us into wars we cannot fight. Judging by the foreign policies of several of the delegate nations here, I can see that provocation to foreign invasion is a common problem in the Americas. The Confederation will not wage war for anyone who has invited destruction upon themselves with bellicose rhetoric and fantasies of eradicating colonialism as a practise and ideology. We are willing to commit to a number of treaties and economic ventures here with many partners, and thus create a treaty web that will support and protect the Americas. All nations interested in proposing treaties and offering constructive ideas will receive the full support of the Confederation."

Erdstrom looked, rather desperately, at Vizier Church for support.

OOC: Seriously, people, we can sign more than one agreement and treaty here. Did you all get bored [i]that[/i] quickly?

Edited January 13, 2012 by Sigurd Odinnson

[Isaac MatthewII]

"Why not make the agreement for cheap oil between all nations in the Americas and those that dont have colonies in our area. The reason we are angered with your random blurting is because this is not the time or the place for random treaties do that on your own time. This is for communication between all of the nations of this hemisphere to come to agreement on what to do about colonialism and instability in our region."

Edited January 13, 2012 by Isaac MatthewII

[Sigurd Odinnson]

[quote name='Isaac MatthewII' timestamp='1326432276' post='2898579']
"Why not make the agreement for cheap oil between all nations in the Americas and those that dont have colonies in our area. The reason we are angered with your random blurting is because this is not the time or the place for random treaties do that on your own time. This is for communication between all of the nations of this hemisphere to come to agreement on what to do about colonialism and instability in our region."
[/quote]

"Having been invited by a fellow delegate to present the proposed treaty, I can hardly believe my ears. If His Excellency the delegate from Gallifrey calls it "random blurting" when I have been called on by fellow attendees at this conference to present a proposition - a proposition which I have repeatedly said is a trade organisation dedicated to petroleum exporting nations - how can this can be called 'random'? We delegates of the Confederation have been making efforts for communication [i]among[/i] nations present here. What we have found instead is that it appears more productive to do as you suggest and engage individual nations for treaties. The delegation of the Confederation does not share such a single-minded attitude toward this place of discussion and communication. This is meant to be an undertaking to increase cooperation among American nations. I call on the whole of the Forums, and especially on President Wilmington who called for it and on Vizier Church who is moderating it to support the constructive efforts the Confederation of Kukloi has floored, and to contribute other constructive cooperative treaties that will serve to bring the nations of the Americas together rather than to further divide them in bickering."

[Isaac MatthewII]

"I did not say that you were randomly blurting, what I ment was this forum is going into random chaos of diffrent arguments and now treaties are popping up. We need one treaty to unify all of us, not dozens of treaties deviding us into factions. Why not make this treaty for nations with out oil. We all have something to trade here if you want oil start your own forum. Whether this is a treaty or not it is not for this forum as it is not for all of us."


OOC:EDIT, Clarification

Edited January 13, 2012 by Isaac MatthewII