Kronos Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) [center][size=5][u][font="Franklin Gothic Medium"]CN Book of World Records[/font][/u] [/size] [i]Categories will be based By Alliance(s), By Player(s), By Bloc(s), By War(s) or By Treaty[/i][/center] [center][size="3"][font="Impact"][u][b]Alliance Categories[/b][/u][/size][/font][/center] [b]Oldest Alliance [/b] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100115003205/cybernations/images/thumb/6/6c/Gatoflag2.png/100px-Gatoflag2.png[/img] [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/GATO"]Global Alliance and Treaty Organization[/url] - Founded January 12th, 2006 [b]Longest Running Sanction[/b] [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090505064937/cybernations/images/thumb/9/9a/Odnnewflag.png/100px-Odnnewflag.png[/img] [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Orange_Defense_Network"]Orange Defense Network[/url] - Gained Sanction on ?/?/? - Present Day [b]Longest Run as #1 in Alliance Statistics[/b] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080121111143/cybernations/images/thumb/8/85/MHA_Small_Flag.gif/100px-MHA_Small_Flag.gif[/img] [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Mostly_Harmless_Alliance"]Mostly Harmless Alliance[/url] - 01/18/2010 - Presently #1 as of 11/28/2011 [center][size="3"][font="Impact"][u][b]Player Categories[/b][/u][/font][/size][/center] [b]Oldest Nation[/b] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100115003205/cybernations/images/thumb/6/6c/Gatoflag2.png/100px-Gatoflag2.png[/img] [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=226"]das girl of acornia[/url] - 2,144 Days as of 11/28/2011 [b]Most Attacking Casualties[/b] [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091018072736/cybernations/images/thumb/e/e7/CSN.jpg/100px-CSN.jpg[/img] [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=155445"]oinkoink12 of booNtherlands[/url] - 6,399,182 Casualties as of 11/28/2011 [b]Most Defending Casualties[/b] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070712211510/cybernations/images/thumb/2/23/Mkflag.png/100px-Mkflag.png[/img] [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=10294"]Drai of Kanto[/url] - 7,389,644 Casualties as of 11/28/2011 [b]Longest Seniority in Alliance[/b] [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090505064937/cybernations/images/thumb/9/9a/Odnnewflag.png/100px-Odnnewflag.png[/img] [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=351"]Warren Harding of Logan[/url] - 2,136 Days as of 11/28/2011 [center][size="3"][font="Impact"][u][b]Bloc Categories[/b][/u][/font][/size][/center] [b]Longest Actively Running Economic Bloc[/b] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091029183211/cybernations/images/thumb/9/96/OUT.svg/100px-OUT.svg.png[/img] [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Orange_Unity_Treaty"]Orange Unity Treaty [/url] - Founded April 23, 2007 [b]Longest Actively Running Military Bloc[/b] [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091210015344/cybernations/images/thumb/6/62/SF_main_banner.png/100px-SF_main_banner.png[/img] [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/The_SuperFriends"]The Superfriends[/url] - Founded September 7, 2007 [b]Largest Economic Bloc[/b] [i]In terms of member alliances, including defunct blocs [/i] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090402182722/cybernations/images/thumb/4/42/NoirFlag.jpg/100px-NoirFlag.jpg[/img] [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/NOIR"]NOIR[/url] - 48 Member Alliances [b]Largest Military Bloc [/b] [i]In terms on member alliances, including defunct blocs [/i] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080815195410/cybernations/images/thumb/1/12/Cdt_flag_small.png/100px-Cdt_flag_small.png[/img] [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Common_Defense_Treaty"]Common Defense Treaty[/url] - 33 Member Alliances [center][size="3"][font="Impact"][b][u]War categories[/u][/b][/font][/size][/center] [b]Largest War by Alliance Count[/b] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090428050113/cybernations/images/thumb/3/3b/Karma1.jpg/100px-Karma1.jpg[/img] [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Karma_War"]Karma War[/url] - 161 Alliances [b]Longest War[/b] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070111203261/cybernations/images/thumb/3/32/Fan.jpg/50px-Fan.jpg[/img] [size="3"][b]VS[/b][/size] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090917182853/cybernations/images/thumb/b/b8/NPObannerflagnew.png/50px-NPObannerflagnew.png[/img] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100116150028/cybernations/images/thumb/8/8f/IRON.svg/50px-IRON.svg.png[/img] [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070612150334/cybernations/images/thumb/7/7f/NpOFlag7.jpg/50px-NpOFlag7.jpg[/img] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060915171339/cybernations/images/thumb/e/ec/Ggaflag8.png/50px-Ggaflag8.png[/img] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070628041649/cybernations/images/thumb/8/8d/MCXAnewsflag.PNG/50px-MCXAnewsflag.PNG[/img] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080312021338/cybernations/images/thumb/b/b7/Echelonflag2.jpg/50px-Echelonflag2.jpg[/img] [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/FAN-1V_War"]FAN-1V War[/url] - Length 514 Days [b]Shortest War[/b] [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100222212855/cybernations/images/thumb/d/d1/FARK_Flag.svg/100px-FARK_Flag.svg.png[/img] [b][size="3"]VS[/size][/b] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070520005006/cybernations/images/thumb/a/a5/CorruptionAlliance.jpg/100px-CorruptionAlliance.jpg[/img] [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/100_Seconds_War"]100 Second War[/url] - Under 5 Minutes [b]Largest War Reparation Payment[/b] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090917182853/cybernations/images/thumb/b/b8/NPObannerflagnew.png/100px-NPObannerflagnew.png[/img] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090428050113/cybernations/images/thumb/3/3b/Karma1.jpg/100px-Karma1.jpg[/img] [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Karma%E2%80%93NPO_Peace_Treaty"]350,000 Tech and $10,000,000,000[/url] - [i]Paid by the New Pacific Order to the Karma Coalition in the [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Karma_War"]Karma War[/url][/i] [center][size="3"][font="Impact"][u][b]Treaty Categories[/b][/u][/font][/size][/center] [b]Longest Running Non-Military Treaty[/b] [i]Includes treaties WITH NO military clause[/i] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090506232948/cybernations/images/thumb/f/f0/RIAFlagNew7.png/100px-RIAFlagNew7.png[/img] [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081026160427/cybernations/images/thumb/f/f9/24fwhzn.jpg/100px-24fwhzn.jpg[/img] Random Insanity Alliance & The Templar Knights Non Aggression Pact - October 20th, 2006 - Present Day [b]Longest Running Military Treaty[/b] [i]Includes treaties WITH a military clause[/i] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100126180046/cybernations/images/thumb/6/6d/VEflag.png/100px-VEflag.png[/img] [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110729192429/cybernations/images/thumb/e/e8/Flag_of_the_Global_Order_of_Darkness.svg/100px-Flag_of_the_Global_Order_of_Darkness.svg.png[/img] Viridian Entente & Global Order of Darkness Mutual Defense Pact - October 12, 2007 - Present Day Edited December 2, 2011 by Kronos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceknave Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_alliance_wars_by_length]Wars by Length[/url] That'll give you information on the longest and shortest wars Longest War: [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/FAN-1V_War]FAN-1V_War[/url] 514 days Shortest War: Under 5 Minutes? [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/100_Seconds_War] 100 Second War[/url] Largest War Reparation Payment: [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Karma%E2%80%93NPO_Peace_Treaty]Karma War[/url] 350k tech and $10 billion by the NPO Edited November 28, 2011 by Iceknave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeBeard Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) Longest alliance seniority, [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=351]Warren Harding of Logan[/url], ODN. I'll edit more later. [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Sparta]Sparta[/url] is the most winning of all the alliances I looked through, 11-0. This includes the Unjust War, Continuum-NoV War, WotC, Karma War, the Second Unjust War, and several others. [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Mostly_Harmless_Alliance]MHA[/url] is a close runner up at 8-0, fighting in such wars as GWIII, Unjust War, Karma War, and the BiPolar War. [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Ragnarok]Ragnarok[/url] is another good runner up at 10-1, losing only the PB-NpO War, winning such wars as WotC, Karma War, and the TOP-CnG War. [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Viridian_Entente_(2nd)]VE[/url] is 11-1, losing only the Green Civil War. VE has won such wars as the GWII, GWIII, Unjust War, WotC, Karma War, and the BiPolar War. [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/North_Atlantic_Defense_Coalition]NADC[/url] is one of the most losing alliances, winning only the October Massacre back in '06. They lost the BLEU-NADC War ('08), and have been granted white peace ever since. Their record stands at 1-1-5 (W-L-D). [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/We_Are_Perth_Army"]WAPA[/url] is the worst I could find at 0-4-2. Edited November 28, 2011 by OrangeBeard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geerland Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Longest running sanction: ODN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horo the Wise Wolf Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 What's the point of the casualties and oldest nation? They can be easily seen in the Awards page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhelm the Demented Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) The OP says 10 mil instead of 10 bil for reps. Also, can it add in the casualty counts and age/seniority in the relevant fields so that the information isn't lost if one of those nations is deleted? Edited November 28, 2011 by Wilhelm the Demented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhelm the Demented Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Horo the Wise Wolf' timestamp='1322507316' post='2854995'] What's the point of the casualties and oldest nation? They can be easily seen in the Awards page. [/quote] Fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Agricolarum Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Kronos' timestamp='1322495601' post='2854862'][b]Longest Seniority in Alliance[/b][/quote] When Admin implemented the seniority feature (in late 2007, IIRC), it defaulted to the nation's age. No point in tracking this stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kippa Tarxien Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Longest #1 alliance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeBeard Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I wanted to point out that CDT only has 1 current member, Menotah. If you mean historically, then the most they've ever had at one point is 34 alliances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Geerland' timestamp='1322507150' post='2854992'] Longest running sanction: ODN [/quote] Just for clarification is there anyone else than can verify this? [quote name='Horo the Wise Wolf' timestamp='1322507316' post='2854995'] What's the point of the casualties and oldest nation? They can be easily seen in the Awards page. [/quote] Fun. [quote name='Wilhelm the Demented' timestamp='1322507359' post='2854996'] The OP says 10 mil instead of 10 bil for reps. Also, can it add in the casualty counts and age/seniority in the relevant fields so that the information isn't lost if one of those nations is deleted? [/quote] Ah. Thanks for catching that. Fixed it [quote name='Kippa Tarxien' timestamp='1322509442' post='2855012'] Longest #1 alliance? [/quote] Is this a category you would like to see added? [quote name='OrangeBeard' timestamp='1322510222' post='2855020'] I wanted to point out that CDT only has 1 current member, Menotah. If you mean historically, then the most they've ever had at one point is 34 alliances. [/quote] Check the updated list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kippa Tarxien Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Kronos' timestamp='1322511540' post='2855031'] Is this a category you would like to see added? [/quote] Yes please, top 3, top 5? Edited November 28, 2011 by Kippa Tarxien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Kippa Tarxien' timestamp='1322511802' post='2855033'] Yes please, top 3, top 5? [/quote] I've added the "Longest Run as #1 in Alliance Statistics" as a category. Although I'm not really sure who would take that crown so I'll wait on someone to post that information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opethian Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 My colossal debt/number of days since last bill payment could be on there, if Old Pittsburghistan hadn't vanished as it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Kronos' timestamp='1322511540' post='2855031'] Just for clarification is there anyone else than can verify this? [/quote] I believe it's commonly stated that ODN is only alliance to have continually held a sanction since that system was introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Gopherbashi' timestamp='1322512796' post='2855043'] I believe it's commonly stated that ODN is only alliance to have continually held a sanction since that system was introduced. [/quote] Do you know when exactly the system was introduced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRena Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='OrangeBeard' timestamp='1322506672' post='2854988'] [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/We_Are_Perth_Army"]WAPA[/url] is the worst I could find at 0-4-2. [/quote] It's actually 1-4-2, they won in one war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melancholy Culkin Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I'm glad I don't have as many loses as WAPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) [quote name='OrangeBeard' timestamp='1322506672' post='2854988'] Longest alliance seniority, [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=351]Warren Harding of Logan[/url], ODN. I'll edit more later. [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Sparta]Sparta[/url] is the most winning of all the alliances I looked through, 11-0. This includes the Unjust War, Continuum-NoV War, WotC, Karma War, the Second Unjust War, and several others. [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Mostly_Harmless_Alliance]MHA[/url] is a close runner up at 8-0, fighting in such wars as GWIII, Unjust War, Karma War, and the BiPolar War. [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Ragnarok]Ragnarok[/url] is another good runner up at 10-1, losing only the PB-NpO War, winning such wars as WotC, Karma War, and the TOP-CnG War. [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Viridian_Entente_(2nd)]VE[/url] is 11-1, losing only the Green Civil War. VE has won such wars as the GWII, GWIII, Unjust War, WotC, Karma War, and the BiPolar War. [url=http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/North_Atlantic_Defense_Coalition]NADC[/url] is one of the most losing alliances, winning only the October Massacre back in '06. They lost the BLEU-NADC War ('08), and have been granted white peace ever since. Their record stands at 1-1-5 (W-L-D). [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/We_Are_Perth_Army"]WAPA[/url] is the worst I could find at 0-4-2. [/quote] If you're using VE and their reformation as one I guess Nordreich count as being 9-0. October Massacre, Maroon War, Great War 2, Saint Patrick's Day War, Great War 3, Karma, BiPolar, PB-NpO, DH-NPO. We list the last two and two different wars due to it being two completely different fronts, at least from our fighting perspective. Now if you wanted to include Norden Verein which is arguably an incarnation of Nordreich it gets slightly more complicated. I personally would include it, but that's my bias seeing as that's where I got my start in the Nordland. But the argument could easily be made. Under certain wins NoV gets the ICP Reformation War and the Unjust War. Bringing the total to 11-0. One could easily argue that NoV had a tactical victory in the LSF-NoV war for a long time seeing as LSF only really attained peace when NoV was defeated for it's only loss in the Continuum-NoV war. Including NoV's wars, I see the total being at 12-1. Just something to consider I suppose. *edit I guess one could potentially also include the recent time when TGE reformed, got destroyed, surrendered, and disbanded. I suppose there wasn't much in the way of official declarations but it could certainly count as another victory. Nordreich did eventually aid TGE in reforming but the argument could still be made for a victory over a declared, and functioning alliance. Edited November 28, 2011 by Captain Flinders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exige Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 most days without a loss in amazing sanction race longest gaining streak in amazing sanction race I don't know the answers but I think it's Umbrella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I thought ODN's declaration of war against IRON and surrender within the same post was the quickest war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeBeard Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1322516075' post='2855077'] If you're using VE and their reformation as one I guess Nordreich count as being 9-0. October Massacre, Maroon War, Great War 2, Saint Patrick's Day War, Great War 3, Karma, BiPolar, PB-NpO, DH-NPO. We list the last two and two different wars due to it being two completely different fronts, at least from our fighting perspective. Now if you wanted to include Norden Verein which is arguably an incarnation of Nordreich it gets slightly more complicated. I personally would include it, but that's my bias seeing as that's where I got my start in the Nordland. But the argument could easily be made. Under certain wins NoV gets the ICP Reformation War and the Unjust War. Bringing the total to 11-0. One could easily argue that NoV had a tactical victory in the LSF-NoV war for a long time seeing as LSF only really attained peace when NoV was defeated for it's only loss in the Continuum-NoV war. Including NoV's wars, I see the total being at 12-1. Just something to consider I suppose. *edit I guess one could potentially also include the recent time when TGE reformed, got destroyed, surrendered, and disbanded. I suppose there wasn't much in the way of official declarations but it could certainly count as another victory. Nordreich did eventually aid TGE in reforming but the argument could still be made for a victory over a declared, and functioning alliance. [/quote] I didn't go too indepth into it, just took the VE reform wiki page war stats. I suppose we should split it up as they're not the same alliance technically. Obviously war results can be interpreted many different ways. I took what was listed on the wiki. I looked through the sanctioned, and then followed treaty partners all over... didn't get to every alliance, and only paid attention to the ones with a chart of victories and defeats. Percentage is more important than the number of victories you could agree, so even if NoV was 12-1, Sparta being 11-0 is still more impressive. WAPA lost the first part of the Karma War, won the C&G part. It could be considered two separate wars, but they're still the losingest (?) I could find. [quote name='Kippa Tarxien' timestamp='1322509442' post='2855012'] Longest #1 alliance? [/quote] As far as I can tell, the ASR started in April of 07. At least that's the earliest link I could find, and so I started my simple spreedsheat from that point. Several other threads have been created on the old forums, and three or four different ones on the new forums. Here's what I got: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqPJuDSTyaKCdHQwX0xZamQ2SjQ1MFotTWlaYzQzaXc Feel free to edit and change if you have updates. MHA's current streak appears to be the longest, unless someone can find stats from 06-07. Edited November 28, 2011 by OrangeBeard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1322516075' post='2855077'] If you're using VE and their reformation as one I guess Nordreich count as being 9-0. October Massacre, Maroon War, Great War 2, Saint Patrick's Day War, Great War 3, Karma, BiPolar, PB-NpO, DH-NPO. We list the last two and two different wars due to it being two completely different fronts, at least from our fighting perspective. Now if you wanted to include Norden Verein which is arguably an incarnation of Nordreich it gets slightly more complicated. I personally would include it, but that's my bias seeing as that's where I got my start in the Nordland. But the argument could easily be made. Under certain wins NoV gets the ICP Reformation War and the Unjust War. Bringing the total to 11-0. One could easily argue that NoV had a tactical victory in the LSF-NoV war for a long time seeing as LSF only really attained peace when NoV was defeated for it's only loss in the Continuum-NoV war. Including NoV's wars, I see the total being at 12-1. Just something to consider I suppose. *edit I guess one could potentially also include the recent time when TGE reformed, got destroyed, surrendered, and disbanded. I suppose there wasn't much in the way of official declarations but it could certainly count as another victory. Nordreich did eventually aid TGE in reforming but the argument could still be made for a victory over a declared, and functioning alliance. [/quote] Next person to argue a "tactical victory" gets my undying hate. For NoV (whom I'd identify as separate from NoR if only by virtue of the fact that it flew under a different alias and banner), you appear to have missed Operation Overlord and the subsequent VietFAN, both of which involved NoV. My further bias is also to identify PB-NpO and DH-NPO as the singular Pandoran War. I don't know anybody else who joins me in that particular construction (the wiki sure as hell doesn't), but nobody ever asks what I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potato Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1322522022' post='2855131'] Next person to argue a "tactical victory" gets my undying hate. For NoV (whom I'd identify as separate from NoR if only by virtue of the fact that it flew under a different alias and banner), you appear to have missed Operation Overlord and the subsequent VietFAN, both of which involved NoV. My further bias is also to identify PB-NpO and DH-NPO as the singular Pandoran War. I don't know anybody else who joins me in that particular construction (the wiki sure as hell doesn't), but nobody ever asks what I'm talking about. [/quote] You also can't count white peace as a draw. It can be in certain case but it has often been used as a "you're too useless to bother, now get out of the way fast and don't come back so we can concentrate on the REAL targets" solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1322522022' post='2855131'] Next person to argue a "tactical victory" gets my undying hate.[/quote] It's not a term I'd use very often. But if there ever was one, that was one. [quote]For NoV (whom I'd identify as separate from NoR if only by virtue of the fact that it flew under a different alias and banner), you appear to have missed Operation Overlord and the subsequent VietFAN, both of which involved NoV.[/quote] Most in NoV consdifer NoR-NoV-NoR the same identity, but I can certainly see why the world at large doesn't. I kinda considered Operation Overlord a wash based on what I was reading. I wasn't there personally and I have no doubt that FAN did some brutal damage, but from what I understand there wasn't much of a response due to the fact that FAN backed down at the insistence of NPO. Again, wasn't there, so don't jump down my throat if I'm simplifying. I had completely forgotten about VietFAN. [quote]My further bias is also to identify PB-NpO and DH-NPO as the singular Pandoran War. I don't know anybody else who joins me in that particular construction (the wiki sure as hell doesn't), but nobody ever asks what I'm talking about. [/quote] I wouldn't agree with you on that one. People know what you're talking about because it was discussed in length, but ya, I think you'd be in the minority in that opinion. I know for Nordreich, our declarations against wF and NPO were far, far removed from each other and for completely different reasons. I should be clear, I wasn't really trying to claim the #1 spot for us. Our history is almost too storied and complicated to get a firm grasp on a real number. It just kinda made me kinda sad to see Sparta as #1. Edited November 29, 2011 by Captain Flinders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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