Kankou Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) Irritation could be seen on the Governor-General's face when the message from the OU HQ arrived. First they just let things go, and now they're suddenly trying to take the initiative right after she started the discussions? Just what was she supposed to do? Grumbling all the while, she had a link made between the HQ and the Beehive, so there wouldn't be any clashes of agreements later on. Once all the delegates arrived and everyone could listen to each other between Manila and Wellington, she spoke. "While Grand Papua does not object to New Zealand becoming independent, the appearance of two movements has put the Oceanic Union in a bit of a fix. It seems that Manila had not bothered to tell Wellington about previous discussions going on, which has made things a bit messy. What I suggest is that the Council of Eight have jurisdiction over South Island and the Outlying Islands until we see what the other movement can muster. Also, it should be noted that the islands of Tokelau, Cook Islands, and Niue are not under the Oceanic Union." *Public Message to Vasuda from the Government General of New Zealand* The opinion of the Oceanic Union overrides those of the supposed international community within the jurisdiction of the Union, especially in times of peace. What discussions had been conducted does not need the inquiry of those outside the region, and as such it would seem best for Vasuda to keep its opinions to itself. Edited October 17, 2011 by Kankou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKrolm Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) Once the Paupan Govenor-General had finished had finished, the Selenarctan delegate spoke via the various channels to the involved parties: "As the Governor-General said, the unforeseen simultaneous appearance of two separate independence movements in New Zealand has overwhelmed our New Zealand protectorate staff, and kept them scrambling to keep up. The nationalist Kiwi movement and the Council of eight both have legitimate claims to represent the New Zealand people but neither appears to have gained support from all of New Zealand. The nationalists show very support support in on the North Island including the former capital of Wellington, however we do not believe they possess the organization nor resources to govern all of New Zealand at this time. The Council of Eight on the other hand, show strong support on the South Island and throughout the surrounding islands. "Therefore, Selenarctos proposes that the former Greater Pacifican territories be split into the formation of two new nations, with sovereignty of the North Island granted to the nationalist movement and sovereignty of the South Island and surrounding region granted to the Council of Eight. "I now yield the floor to a representative from either New Zealand movement and welcome their comments or changes." EDIT: OOC removed Edited October 17, 2011 by iKrolm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) "If the people of the mainland are indeed able to once again take up the responsibility of self governance, then they should be permitted to do so. I will not make any presumptions here, however I cannot imagine why such a strong community effort would be denied independence, or why such a movement should be removed from the site of its genesis at Wellington. It is understandable that the process of Independence should have its formalities, and I hope that this is merely one of them. I cannot imagine that a minority influence has some how gained sway over the honorable OU, or that you have simply begun interfering with the internal politics of your protectorates- that is not the Union I remember, or the Alliance my family helped to establish. Regardless, we hope to see this matter resolved quickly and the will of the people respected." - Michael Atrevier, Councilor Superior *Private to the Council of Eight* "We cordially invite you to a private dinner in Fiji. It is our desire to become better acquainted with your cause. We would also like to discuss the possibility of recognition, and future relations." - Michael Atrevier, Councilor Superior OOC: If the other player isn't large enough or willing to take it, then I don't see any reason to keep sil from playing NZ. I mean the reason I dropped all the land was primarily because I was hogging prime real estate and doing nothing with it. If the OU is just going to sit on the land until a new player grows large enough to take it that doesn't seem to be much of an improvement. :/ Edited October 17, 2011 by iamthey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knowz Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) OOC: I'll first begin with a public apology to everyone here, I'm the one who had contacted IKrolm about a week back for New Zealand, I'm sorry for causing any anger, annoyance, or ill-will towards anyone else from any other or towards me - apologies go to IKrolm, Mogar, Kankou, Sil, and the CNRP community in general. I'd also like to give my thanks to IKrolm for striking a compromise, and to everyone involved in the 'Oceanic Union' for being ever so patient and kind. And without any further ado, as requested by IKrolm: IC: Some delegates should be seeing fidgeting on their chairs in the conference room, not prepared to talk until their aides pushed them off. 5 men and 5 woman of diverse backgrounds representing what has been called by international community as the nationalist Kiwi movement stood up to speak. "We would like to thank the Oceanic Union for initiating this discussion, and as much as we agree with the Council of Eight that New Zealand is best united, we support the compromise brokered by the OU to accommodate the differences represented by our respective movements. We thank the member states of the Oceanic Union for protecting New Zealand for time being. We hope the bonds of friendship between sovereign states in Oceania/Australasia and/or the Oceanic Union will be strong." Edited October 17, 2011 by Knowz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silhouette Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='iKrolm' timestamp='1318823175' post='2826815'] Once the Paupan Govenor-General had finished had finished, the Selenarctan delegate spoke via the various channels to the involved parties: "As the Governor-General said, the unforeseen simultaneous appearance of two separate independence movements in New Zealand has overwhelmed our New Zealand protectorate staff, and kept them scrambling to keep up. The nationalist Kiwi movement and the Council of eight both have legitimate claims to represent the New Zealand people but neither appears to have gained support from all of New Zealand. The nationalists show very support support in on the North Island including the former capital of Wellington, however we do not believe they possess the organization nor resources to govern all of New Zealand at this time. The Council of Eight on the other hand, show strong support on the South Island and throughout the surrounding islands. "Therefore, Selenarctos proposes that the former Greater Pacifican territories be split into the formation of two new nations, with sovereignty of the North Island granted to the nationalist movement and sovereignty of the South Island and surrounding region granted to the Council of Eight. "I now yield the floor to a representative from either New Zealand movement and welcome their comments or changes." EDIT: OOC removed [/quote] [quote name='Knowz' timestamp='1318856383' post='2827123'] IC: Some delegates should be seeing fidgeting on their chairs in the conference room, not prepared to talk until their aides pushed them off. 5 men and 5 woman of diverse backgrounds representing what has been called by international community as the nationalist Kiwi movement stood up to speak. "We would like to thank the Oceanic Union for initiating this discussion, and as much as we agree with the Council of Eight that New Zealand is best united, we support the compromise brokered by the OU to accommodate the differences represented by our respective movements. We thank the member states of the Oceanic Union for protecting New Zealand for time being. We hope the bonds of friendship between sovereign states in Oceania/Australasia and/or the Oceanic Union will be strong." [/quote] The representatives from the Council spent a few moments discussing their position amongst themselves, but listened attentively when the nationalist representative took the floor. Another few moments in conference were all that they required to reach a decision. "After conferring with our colleagues, and on the understanding that we speak for the council, we are willing to accept the proposed division, on the proviso that the Oceanic Union assist with any relocations of supporters of either movement who find themselves on the 'wrong' side of the division. This is a compromise, as the nationalist representative has mentioned, but it is not only a compromise for us, but also for the population as a whole, and every effort should be made to accommodate those people, to nip any potential civil conflict in the bud, as it were. Let the record show that at this time we have little confidence in the other movement, but we will respect their rights, and the will of their supporters, and of this Union. We hope for the sake of their supporters that they prove us wrong. [quote name='iamthey' timestamp='1318846112' post='2827065'] *Private to the Council of Eight* "We cordially invite you to a private dinner in Fiji. It is our desire to become better acquainted with your cause. We would also like to discuss the possibility of recognition, and future relations." - Michael Atrevier, Councilor Superior [/quote] Whilst the council was stretched thin, two of their representatives would fly to Avalon immediately after fulfilling their duties in Selenarctos. The note Atrevier received in reply would include information as to when they would arrive, so they could be met on arrival. The councillors in question were haggard looking and completely exhausted by the time they arrived in Avalon, the nine hour flight on top of everything else of the last few days had just about finished them off, but they did their best to clean up before landing. The senior of the two, tall, and of Maori heritage, was also the better off, and in the best state to be of any conversational worth whatsoever, if it was required on short notice. Edited October 18, 2011 by Silhouette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKrolm Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 "Selenarctos, and I believe the other member nations as well, shall provide assistance to those wishing to relocate to either nation. It is our hope and goal that this will not be a division of hostility nor tension, but one of separate governance both working towards the betterment of all people within the region." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knowz Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) [b]IC[/b]: "We hope that peace will continue to prevail across New Zealand as these discussions proceed in this conference and that there will be no outbreaks of violence. We would also like to announce that we are ready to constitute an interim government and will be naming the North Island as [i]Aotearoa[/i] - the word used by the first Kiwis, the Maori people, to describe the whole of New Zealand in modern times, but historically only the North Island - by the weekend." [b]OOC[/b]: It should be noted that my posts will be quite brief and limited on weekdays, if I post at all. I'll mostly be active here only on weekends. Edited October 19, 2011 by Knowz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silhouette Posted October 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 [quote name='iKrolm' timestamp='1318909570' post='2827601'] "Selenarctos, and I believe the other member nations as well, shall provide assistance to those wishing to relocate to either nation. It is our hope and goal that this will not be a division of hostility nor tension, but one of separate governance both working towards the betterment of all people within the region." [/quote] [quote name='Knowz' timestamp='1319024608' post='2828594'] [b]IC[/b]: "We hope that peace will continue to prevail across New Zealand as these discussions proceed in this conference and that there will be no outbreaks of violence. We would also like to announce that we are ready to constitute an interim government and will be naming the North Island as [i]Aotearoa[/i] - the word used by the first Kiwis, the Maori people, to describe the whole of New Zealand in modern times, but historically only the North Island - by the weekend." [/quote] Naturally, we too only wish for peace and prosperity. We would draw attention to the intention to name the North Island nation Aotearoa, as many will likely remember, a variation on this name was used by a rather despotic regime many years ago, that kept the population under control through various psychoactive drugs added to the populations' water supply. While this of course is the free choice of the people, we wonder if that is a connotation that the new government wishes to be parry to. It is our preliminary intention to name our southern nation New Munster, as this was an historical provincial name applied to the island upon it's first colonial governance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knowz Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 "We feel that no despotic regime can taint such a historically important name, however, an alternate name, New Ulster, the counterpart colonial province name to New Munster, is also being considered. The naming issue will be decided by the people via referendum alongside the first general elections." OOC: I'll set up a poll thread soon for the elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silhouette Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 OOC: Touche, sir, touche. IC: The most senior of the representatives allowed a slight smile to appear on his lips at that announcement. "That would indeed be a fitting and honourable name, and you are correct, that such a name should not be allowed to be tainted by such things, although that is often what happens regardless. If the Oceanic Union has nothing else to say on this matter, then I propose we certify this arrangement, so that we may proceed with the rebuilding process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKrolm Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 "Selenarctos believes these proceedings have concluded amicably, and wish success and stability to both nations. We shall begin withdrawing our peacekeepers as soon as native replacements are ready and look forward to a prosperous relationship." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knowz Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 "We would like to announce that we will hold elections to form a government within three or four days". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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