In the Pit Bull's Backyard

[Zoot Zoot]

OOC
http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=103359&view=findpost&p=2775065
Post one in regards to the fleet being in the Arctic Circle.
http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=103359&view=findpost&p=2787707
Post two in regards to stationing of Submarines in the Atlantic

If you dont read the links, here is a quote.

[quote]One submarine would be deployed to the Pacific, loitering at depth until new orders were given, another would sit under the Polar Ice, and the third would loiter in the Atlantic after sailing under the ice caps and through the UKIM gap. [/quote]

Those are my nuclear platforms, but my attack subs work with my SSBN's like fighters work with bombers. They simply detached from babysitting the second and third Typhoons II's from the Polar Region and the UKIM gap and down into the North Sea.

If you still dont recognise it... I can just use the satellites and send the data the old fashioned way and he can use land based missile platforms to wipe you out. Its all good.

[Michael McBride]

[center][img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/That_Bum/imperialannouncement-1.png[/img][/center]

The Imperial Military Base at IMB: Ireland in Argyle and Burke, Scotland is hereby closed off to all warring participants. Any attack on this base will be seen as an attack on the Empire proper and will be treated as such. The Empire condemns these attacks on the British Isles and hopes that a peaceful resolution can be found soon.

[b]**CLASSIFIED**[/b]

IMB: Ireland moved to DEFCON 2, a full-fledged state of war-readiness. The perimeter of the base was closed and secured, and most of the 30,000 troops stationed there moved into the underground tunnel system. The 4th Fleet put out to sea to avoid being caught at anchor during any conflict. The fleet made course for the North Sea. Both English and Islander military commands were notified of their movement and intent.

Edited September 10, 2011 by Pravus Ingruo

[PresidentDavid]

[b]Private To Pravus Ingruo[/b]

In the event that this situation gets any worse or if either your military facilities in the British Isles, the United States will help you and your troops by any means necessary. The Coast Guard has been moved to a higher alert to watch the waters, and we will give you live access of all radar facilities that the USI owns and operates for better radar coverage. It is the least you can do for saving us when Maine attacked.
Congress is currently debating on whether or not to help the English, we should have an answer soon.

David Anthony O'Reilly
[b]The President of The United States[/b]

[comrade nikonov]

[b]Official Declaration of the Republic of Finland[/b]
The Finnish government is extremely disappointed to see its allies Slavorussia and Germany attack another ally, England. However, due to the complexity of diplomatic relations with the belligerent nations, it would be imprudent for the Finnish nation to involve itself in this war. However, in the interests of Finnish defense capabilities, the English base in Porkkala, Finland will be closed immediately by Finnish ground forces. All English base personnel will be interned with hospitality for the duration of the conflict.
Furthermore, we have no choice but to declare the Orkney and Shetland islands, currently leased to the Republic of Finland and the locations of the biggest overseas military complex of the Republic of Finland, to be under the protection of the Finnish nation. We strongly warn all belligerent nations against military operations in the area of the Orkney and Shetland islands. Thank you, and may God save us all.

[Rauchen]

*Classified*

Initially, as the Kurlandic fleet entered the North Sea, the commanding officer, General Luitpold Fuchs, maintained contact with the German operations base in Frisia, adjusting course occasionally as the situation and plans changed. Under Defense Minister Sigifrid Protz's initially-adopted plan, the invasion force would land in Norfolk, establish a beachhead, seizing Norwich and heading south to link up with the Germans. Reassessment of English deployments ultimately resulted in a revised landing zone, just south of Maldon, and push south to the River Thames.

The force was still some three hours from the coast, and at this point, fifteen of the 300 UH-60 Black Hawks attached to the various units were sent out to scope the Maldon and Colchester districts. On some of the larger transports, field artillery had been firmly secured to the decks so as to allow for a degree of naval fire power, but they were of limited use; it was difficult to adjust the heavy pieces once secured while on the open seas, so the guns could only fire straight. Fifty boats were armed so, with two D-30, FH-70, or 2A36s manned by a mix of coast guard and the artillery corps personnel. They would hold their fire, obviously, until within range of the coast, then begin bombarding the coast to soften it up for the infantry.

The invasion force was divided into two corps-sized groups; the 3rd and 4th Army Divisions and 2nd SKS formed the First Combat Corps, 32,500 men with 320 tanks, 300 M113A3s, 300 Marder A3s, 300 M270s, and 875 of the towed artillery previously mentioned. They were to land in Maldon on the Dengie peninsula. The Second Combat Corps was near identical, with orders to land on Mircea Island and the southernmost coast of Colchester burrough; the only difference was that the First Corps was equipped with 125 of the 150 Leopard IV tanks, which were of higher combat capability than the M1 Abrams they were to replace. This deployment was on account of a need to sweep north quickly, seize Maldon, and link up with the Second Corps; First Corps was more likely to encounter reinforcements from the front line than the Second.


Upon arrival at the landing zones, the 1st and 2nd SKS units, consisting of 5,000 men apiece, would spearhead the assault, landing on the coast of Mircea and across the Dengie peninsula. Marders and reactive-armored M113s augmented with steel plates were to be the mainstay for the initial invasion; the Kurlandic commanders didn't want to lose an unnecessary number of tanks on the beach. NH90 helicopters would begin dropping companies at points along the coast where they could strike at English positions from the side and rear and easily rendezvous with the main force. As the SKS gained a foothold on the beach, the 3rd and 5th Divisions would be landed to support them and secure their footing once the assault began. The 5th and 6th Divisions would remain in reserve until they were needed or until a beachhead was firmly secured.
Initial assault force would consist of 30,000 infantry, 350 APCs, 350 IFVs, 100 M1 Abrams, and 10 Leopard IVs, with a further 35,000 men with attached armor in reserve.

UH-60s would provide tactical air support, and Air Group B, stationed in Portsmouth, was partially reassigned to launching bombing runs and strikes against radar, defenses, and troops in the area even before the Kurlandic soldiers landed,

Not until the fleet was a mere hour away from the coast did King Alaric issue a statement on the war.

[quote][center][img]http://images.wikia.com/althistory/images/4/4a/Coat_of_Arms_of_Duchy_of_Courland.jpg[/img]
[size="6"][b]Declaration of War[/b][/size][/center]

The English have exhibited degrees of instability for years now; they created a global empire, crumbled, and lost it and their monarchy has collapsed and given way to a fascist regime. A coalition had to deploy forces to prop up the new English government for many months.

The brash actions of this latest English government brought war to the Baltic, and then to northern Europe. We therefore support the Germanic Union in their conflict against England. The current government has done little good for its people; even after overthrowing the Norsefire regime, they had to rely on the Coalition to secure their own country, and alienated many of England's former allies.

The Kingdom of Kurland hereby declares war on England.[/quote]

Edited September 11, 2011 by Rauchen

[Centurius]

[quote name='Rauchen' timestamp='1315700237' post='2798374']
*Classified*

Initially, as the Kurlandic fleet entered the North Sea, the commanding officer, General Luitpold Fuchs, maintained contact with the German operations base in Frisia, adjusting course occasionally as the situation and plans changed. Under Defense Minister Sigifrid Protz's initially-adopted plan, the invasion force would land in Norfolk, establish a beachhead, seizing Norwich and heading south to link up with the Germans. Reassessment of English deployments ultimately resulted in a revised landing zone, just south of Maldon, and push south to the River Thames.

At 350km from the coast, King Alaric issued a public statement on the war.



As the fleet reached within 300 km of the English coast, fifteen of the 300 UH-60 Black Hawks attached to the various units were sent out to scope the Maldon and Colchester districts. On some of the larger transports, field artillery had been firmly secured to the decks so as to allow for a degree of naval fire power, but they were of limited use; it was difficult to adjust the heavy pieces once secured while on the open seas, so the guns could only fire straight. Fifty boats were armed so, with two D-30, FH-70, or 2A36s manned by a mix of coast guard and the artillery corps personnel. They held fire until within around 30 km of the coast, at which point they began to bombard points as recommended by the initial UH-60 scouts.

The invasion force was divided into two corps-sized groups; the 3rd and 4th Army Divisions and 2nd SKS formed the First Combat Corps, 32,500 men with 320 tanks, 300 M113A3s, 300 Marder A3s, 300 M270s, and 875 of the towed artillery previously mentioned. They were to land in Maldon on the Dengie peninsula. The Second Combat Corps was near identical, with orders to land on Mircea Island and the southernmost coast of Colchester burrough; the only difference was that the First Corps was equipped with 125 of the 150 Leopard IV tanks, which were of higher combat capability than the M1 Abrams they were to replace. This deployment was on account of a need to sweep north quickly, seize Maldon, and link up with the Second Corps; First Corps was more likely to encounter reinforcements from the front line than the Second.


The 1st and 2nd SKS units, consisting of 5,000 men apiece, would spearhead the assault, landing on the eastern coast of Mircea and the northern tip of the Dengie peninsula. Marders and reactive-armored M113s augmented with steel plates were the mainstay for the initial invasion; the Kurlandic commanders didn't want to lose an unnecessary number of tanks on the beach. NH90 helicopters began dropping companies at points along the coast where they could strike at English positions from the side and rear and easily rendezvous with the main force. As the SKS gained a foothold on the beach, the 3rd and 5th Divisions would be landed to support them and secure their footing. 5th and 6th Divisions remained in reserve for the time being.
Initial assault force consists of 30,000 infantry, 350 APCs, 350 IFVs, 100 M1 Abrams, and 10 Leopard IVs, with a further 35,000 men with attached armor in reserve.

UH-60s provided tactical air support, and Air Group B, stationed in Portsmouth, was partially reassigned to launching bombing runs and strikes against radar, defenses, and troops in the area.
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OOC: I'm going to have to wipe this post, the landing force is simply too large and the proper timeframe wasn't given for King Timmy to respond.

[Kaiser Martens]

OOC: Though, Cent, keep in mind that England is pretty much blind at this point, so I'm not sure if they'd be able to understand or see what's coming at them, either way, I think that it would be reasonable to change Rauchen's post to add something along the lines of: "The forces will be arriving in X amount of hours" (5 or 6 hours?) So that then Timmy has a reasonable timeframe to actually do whatever he'd want to do, does that make sense?

[Centurius]

OOC: Well provided all actions after the landings get removed.

[Kaiser Martens]

OOC: Yeah, they'd be rendered invalid. Alright, I guess that'll work. Over and out. **Beep**

[King Timmy]

[quote name='Kaiser Martens' timestamp='1315460665' post='2796692']
Foch-Glassermann and Lange immediately moved to meet the Chinese Ambassador.

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Data from the missiles indicated a similar scenario on Germanian side, although how much of England was blinded was a matter of some speculation. In any case, the performance of the enemy defences was better than expected. But either way the missiles would have sat rotting if not fired - in fact, slightly above 1% failed due to being so old. It was using them then or dismantling them. VDL missiles were almost over, many Germanian missiles were still there, people in the Rocketry Corps were optimistic, and more were being built as time passed - more everything, from tanks and missiles to small arms and medical aid items. Germania had an insane stack of most goods for war, but they weren't about to push their luck by being too lax.



Due to the velocity required in the following operations, the Germanian High Command was not able to sit back and properly analyze what was happened. Instead, each General in the field sticked to their planes, doctrines, and previously issued orders. Sure, they had realtime images from scout rockets, satellites, scouts and drones available, but at this point, initiative was the key as opposed to a very centralized approach. The directive was to march forwards to the north before the English could afford to properly organize. [i]"Drang nach Norden!"[/i]

The result, given the (then unknown) fact that the English had commited only 200k troops to the Southern Front, was that these troops were outnumbered. Probably, they might not be too well organized, and if they were to attempt to cover such a broad line with such few troops, against the Germans' 540kish Soldiers (Not counting other elements), spearheads could be made with the Armored Elements to stab through. At least, that was the idea.

As the Germanian Forces were divided in three main groups which had several other groups within, English data at first was conflicting, as far as deployment was concerned, finding the "Heavy Point" of the Germanian Deployment seemed to be a futile exercise, but soon enough it would become obvious that they had merely deployed in a fairly balanced manner - that was clear. The Germanians realized that the English hadn't been able to deploy quickly enough, the Defensive Line established had given them more than enough room to maneuver, after all.[/quote]

The thing was, the English wanted to give the impression of being badly organised. They also wanted to give the Germans all the room they needed to maneuver, for now. They wanted the Germans to think this was going to be a walk in the park and then strike with a counter offensive.

[quote]But, there was another reason to move on. The English were firing rockets at the Germanian Vanguard Units and to many occupied buildings. The Germanians were using mobile HQs, so the strikes on the buildings actually for the most part only managed to kill some leftover civilians now and then. The Commanders made it a point not to ever stay on the same spot for long, else they would be targetted by the ongoing rocket barrages. But that would not last for long, they hoped - the Heavy 210mm SPGs and a compliment of submarine-based rockets would fire back towards the zones from which the rockets came from, to destroy the English Artillery units. They would have to fire and then move, to avoid the counterbattery.

Of course, the forwards elements wouldn't simply move [i]around[/i]. The same means of operation seen in the landing continued, the English Lines were first assaulted by discardable, cheap armored recon vehicles and recon tankettes, then the Rocket Artillery and 155mm SPGs would start targetting the enemies. Even the Tank Destroyers and Main Battle Tanks would start targetting the English Forces from afar - from where they could not, in fact, be seen nor detected - relying solely on the scout's data for targetting from seemingly impossible distances. Basically, for the English troops, the scenario was seeing a few puny tanks zipping around the battlefield, and then, fire from above would start raining down with surprising accuracy. That was just for softening them up - then, the Main Battle Tanks, the Assault Guns and Tank Destroyers and other vehicles would storm forwards supported by further Artillery and IFV fire. It wasn't fair, the Germanian Troops would not only outnumber the English but would be most of the time fresh condition, whereas the English would have been receiving continuous fire for a while without being able to reply with accuracy. In some cases, non-ballistic homing MIRV missiles from the Mainland were used to hit some of those long-range Rocket Artillery Units, that were so far the only relevant threat to be faced, as far as the General Staff was concerned. The Einherjar and Valkyrie themselves stormed the part of the line of defense which covered for London, bringing with them several next-generation prototype vehicles as well as the modernized MBTs. The tanks wanted to go past the defences to raid the rear areas, and surround the foes. And with numbers and information on their side, they were eager for more.

On the air, the still somewhat-functional Air Defenses were a matter of some concern for von Danzig. The remaining static detection arrays and static ADs would be targetted quickly by further missiles, so as to finish blinding the English, and then the Fighters would remain in a very high altitude so to avoid being hit by the mobile AD. Although it would be tempting to bring in the huge air superiority number-wise to weight down the English Fighters, Feliks was conservative and used around the same numbers of Fighters for engaging them, maybe with 15% more. While all of this happened, the Bombers, escorted, divided in two groups, one to assist the Push to London by hunting MBTs and Artillery Systems from very, very high above so as to be out of range of the AD too, which either way should have a hard time seeing them if they were any closer too. Two, prowling England to hit the rest of the air facilities, including some which appeared to have men trying to fix them. The idea was that, even if the English Fighters performed reasonably well, they wouldn't be able to replace their losses, and, ultimately, would have no place to land for resupplying.

When most was said and done, the General Staff approved. [i]"Alright. Good. We have our numeric superiority but let's not waste it by blindly charging. Yes, keep using all of our recon units. Then we can shoot THEM before they can fire back...good, all is going as planned. It is time to break through past their line. Surround them in clusters and then reduce them. Prepare our MOAB ICBMS, if some spots are hard to breach, we will use them to great effect...proceed. Let us see how the Einherjar and Valkyrie new Heavy Tanks perform. Send them first, by our estimations their guns won't be able to destroy them. After all, their current guns are like our old guns, and our old guns couldn't do the job. Forwards now. Have reinforcements ready."[/i] - Gebivson-Mannelig
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OOC: Very high altitudes? Come on they're SAMs not AAA.

120 of the mobile rocket platforms were hit bit the counter barrage and taken out of action to varying degrees of damage. 1,000 troops were killed or too wounded to cintinue fighting and 30 Challengers were either destroyed or rendered useless for the time being.

[quote]That was a slight setback. Although some helipads were targetted - where airstrips were also present - it definately made sense for the bulk of the Helicopters to have survived. They didn't, after all, [i]need[/i] to have any helipads, but rather just a flat surface. The Germanian Response was twofold, they'd firstly send 50 of their Combat Helicopters to England, and at the same time alert their Fighters of the new threat. The English Helicopter Force was estimated to be from 200 to 300 strong, so 21 Fighter Squadrons (147 Planes) were reassigned to Helicopter Hunting - they would be death from above. A helicopter was an easy target for them, but due to their low-flying they needed to be careful, spot them from above and then fire - they couldn't afford to descend to meet the helicopters head on, where they'd be at a disadvantage. Germanian Forces' Ground Air Defences were alerted promptly.

OOC: You appear to have 2 navy vessels ingame, how does this translate to 18 subs? Oh, and, my "air carriers" are in fact submarines that just happen to have the ability to deploy one fighter each. So you wouldn't target them, although I'll do the common-sense thing and assume you're targetting the surface vessels with the missiles, if that is alright. Also, what are the missiles like?

IC: On the surface, the Skjöld Boats determined that they were being attacked by missiles. They did not know which kind of missiles these were, the common missiles could be avoided simply by placing their engines on full power and moving out of the way quickly. The ASBM launch was detected also by satellites, so they had a double warning to do things as quickly as possible. From the Mainland, to the source of the ASBM launch, one specialized Anti Ship Missile was launched, but needless to say, sending submarines after this distant target would be no option. For now. The High Command determined that if the English were able to do this, they must still have reasonable control of their satellites...Germanian Internet closed down, isolated itself from the rest of the world, cyberwarfare started as military hackers started to try and further disrupt English communications, using each and every method from simple spam-bombing all the way to complicated custom-made virus. That was not enough, more physical destruction was needed - anything that looked like an antenna or dish good enough to make contact with the satellites would be targetted by further missiles and rockets. [/quote]

Luckily English intelligence networks had not been connected to the outside world for a long time so German cyberwarfare attempts would be minimally effective. Many dishes were destroyed but with communications spanning the entire length of the country it would take a lot longer for the Germans to deal a blow big enough to stop the Royal Signals communicating with their satellites. Mobile stations were readied in the case they were in any way successful.

[quote]Over in the sea, the Skjöld boats stood by, in case that the Missiles would be able to track them, if they were sufficiently advanced, they would have enough time to stop, aim, and fire back at them to try and simply shoot them out of the sky. But there were a lot of warheads, it would be quite tricky. If possible, Fighters would be ordered to try and intercept the missiles, using jamming and circuit-frying technology if they could. Casualties were expected, and unavoidable. Well, more boats were moving in anyway - Skjöld Spam! - Maybe some of these new boats would get to the area in time to intercept some of the warheads, in spite of these not having targetted them.

A few more, further reserve of Skjöld Boats would converge upon Faroe and then join the fray.

van den Meer read it and said, "Yes. They will defend the [i]English[/i] people alright. Anglocentric exploiting of downtrodden Welsh and Scots will however end. I wonder what Ireland will think of this."
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The Anti-Ship missile would luckily have no effect on a submarine which was submerged the entire time and moving away from where the missiles were fired. It would return to HMNB Clyde to re-arm.

[size="7"][b]Operation Stick It To The Gerries
[/b][/size]
The plan was simple and if pulled off correctly would deal a very damaging blow to the German offensive. There were several parts to the plan, the first involved missiles. Yes, more missiles.

These were unlike any other missiles that had been fired in the war so far however. They had a very specific purpose. To ensure the Germans had limited intelligence of English military movements, their satellites would be targeted. A blanket policy was put in place whereby any reconnaissance satellite in a low earth orbit (OOC: That's where spy satellites are, right?) above England would be fired upon until destroyed using SM-3 ASAT missiles. The next part of the plan would not commence until there were no remaining satellites in the air above England. Long Range SAM sites would continue to fire at any UFO (OOC: Not aliens) in the skies above England to defend the oncoming assault. Any further satellites nearing England would also be fired upon without warning.

Part two was the most simple. English satellites had identified that the Germans were forming their advance into three main groups, and in a very organized manner. With an estimate of 400-500k soldiers on English soil, English troops knew they were outnumbered. It was time to even the odds. The idea here was to cause disruption and cause disorganization in the German lines. 2,000 Rocket Artillery systems had now been deployed to the front line along with 2,000 Challengers, Warriors and Thor Artillery Systems.

The Rocket Artillery would open fire first. Each system having a stock of at least 64 missiles gave a decided barrage of 80,000 missiles, no point in using all the ammo in one go. They would fire until they were out of ammunition or they had been taken out of action. They would not stay static either to make it difficult for the Germans to pin point where the attacks were coming from. Missiles would be fired all along the German lines, specifically targeting armour and supplies, be it vehicles or depots but also troops and transportation. It was clear the Germans were using mobile HQ stations rather than static buildings, they would be attacked too. The barrage would be unrelenting. The majourity of the missiles would concentrate on the centre of the German groups (OOC: Central from north to south, assuming you're moving North) in an attempt to cut off the enemy lines in half.

Meanwhile, part three involved the English forces, numbering 200k on the front lines, being divided into four battle groups each containing 50,000 men along with 500 of each type of armoured unit and adequate transport. The four groups would head south during the barrage in-between the german groups and then flank them in the middle of their lines with approximately 66,000 men attacking each and then driving south whilst defending from the north. Meanwhile, in the north 100,000 more men with 1,000 of each type of armour were forming a second front to attack the Germans. 33,000 men would attack the front of each group following the missile barrage. They would have with them another 1,000 Rocket Artillery systems, another 4,000 missiles, and commence a secondary barrage on the front of the German front lines before assaulting.

In each attack Challengers and Warriors would spearhead the assault under covering fire from Thor artillery which would again not stay still after firing. 660 of each would attack the centre of the German lines while 330 would be attacking the front. All 200 Apaches and 200 Comanches would be dedicated to the front of the German lines to make up for the smaller number of soldiers and armour compared to the south. Armour would be their main target, be it MBTs, tank destroyers or anything else the Germans possessed. Once the missile barrage had ended they would strike hard and fast at the German lines, not giving them a second to reorganize before the assault.

Troops would open fire first, there was no need for them to wait to be fired upon first. The rules of engagement were simple in this situation, kill or be killed. As the soldiers assaulted the lines snipers and machine guns would engage from long range along with grenade machine guns. Mobile anti-armour units would be ready to fire upon any armour that was not yet destroyed while mobile SAMs would continue to fire upon anything that would try and disrupt the assault.

At the same time as the assault eTyphoons would be launched to provide electronic communication jamming against the German forces. 10 would be assigned to each English battle group, totaling 60 in all. They would travel at very high altitudes to avoid being hit by German ADs. They would also be disrupting the radar of German fighters over the battlefields.

OOC: So what exactly am I replying to for rauchen's posts? Just the first one? Surely he can't post twice before I respond to him.

Edited September 12, 2011 by King Timmy

[Rauchen]

[quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1315701315' post='2798379']
OOC: I'm going to have to wipe this post, the landing force is simply too large and the proper timeframe wasn't given for King Timmy to respond.
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[quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1315703971' post='2798399']
OOC: Well provided all actions after the landings get removed.
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OOC: Actually, I'd meant that all to be future tense. I was tired when I wrote it. Should be all fixed now.

[quote name='King Timmy' timestamp='1315754193' post='2798716']
OOC: So what exactly am I replying to for rauchen's posts? Just the first one? Surely he can't post twice before I respond to him.
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OOC: Time doesn't freeze just because you don't reply. There was a full day between both of my posts, an ample amount of time for a response. The first one was a deployment rather than a battle, so it's not as though I'm making a double-attack. And technically, I haven't landed yet, so really, the only thing that's actually happened are the aircraft attacks.

[King Timmy]

[quote name='Rauchen' timestamp='1315700237' post='2798374']
*Classified*

Initially, as the Kurlandic fleet entered the North Sea, the commanding officer, General Luitpold Fuchs, maintained contact with the German operations base in Frisia, adjusting course occasionally as the situation and plans changed. Under Defense Minister Sigifrid Protz's initially-adopted plan, the invasion force would land in Norfolk, establish a beachhead, seizing Norwich and heading south to link up with the Germans. Reassessment of English deployments ultimately resulted in a revised landing zone, just south of Maldon, and push south to the River Thames.

The force was still some three hours from the coast, and at this point, fifteen of the 300 UH-60 Black Hawks attached to the various units were sent out to scope the Maldon and Colchester districts. On some of the larger transports, field artillery had been firmly secured to the decks so as to allow for a degree of naval fire power, but they were of limited use; it was difficult to adjust the heavy pieces once secured while on the open seas, so the guns could only fire straight. [b]Fifty boats[/b] were armed so, with two D-30, FH-70, or 2A36s manned by a mix of coast guard and the artillery corps personnel. They would hold their fire, obviously, until within range of the coast, then begin bombarding the coast to soften it up for the infantry.

The invasion force was divided into two corps-sized groups; the 3rd and 4th Army Divisions and 2nd SKS formed the First Combat Corps, 32,500 men with 320 tanks, 300 M113A3s, 300 Marder A3s, 300 M270s, and 875 of the towed artillery previously mentioned. They were to land in Maldon on the Dengie peninsula. The Second Combat Corps was near identical, with orders to land on Mircea Island and the southernmost coast of Colchester burrough; the only difference was that the First Corps was equipped with 125 of the 150 Leopard IV tanks, which were of higher combat capability than the M1 Abrams they were to replace. This deployment was on account of a need to sweep north quickly, seize Maldon, and link up with the Second Corps; First Corps was more likely to encounter reinforcements from the front line than the Second.


Upon arrival at the landing zones, the 1st and 2nd SKS units, consisting of 5,000 men apiece, would spearhead the assault, landing on the coast of Mircea and across the Dengie peninsula. Marders and reactive-armored M113s augmented with steel plates were to be the mainstay for the initial invasion; the Kurlandic commanders didn't want to lose an unnecessary number of tanks on the beach. NH90 helicopters would begin dropping companies at points along the coast where they could strike at English positions from the side and rear and easily rendezvous with the main force. As the SKS gained a foothold on the beach, the 3rd and 5th Divisions would be landed to support them and secure their footing once the assault began. The 5th and 6th Divisions would remain in reserve until they were needed or until a beachhead was firmly secured.
Initial assault force would consist of 30,000 infantry, 350 APCs, 350 IFVs, 100 M1 Abrams, and 10 Leopard IVs, with a further 35,000 men with attached armor in reserve.

UH-60s would provide tactical air support, and Air Group B, stationed in Portsmouth, was partially reassigned to launching bombing runs and strikes against radar, defenses, and troops in the area even before the Kurlandic soldiers landed,

Not until the fleet was a mere hour away from the coast did King Alaric issue a statement on the war.
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OOC: I'm basing this attack on the fact you mentioned 50 boats (shown in bold), if that's not the case I will change it to whatever ships you are actually sending after me. Also my response is based from when I received the information so you would still be more than three hours away.

The message from an unknown origin was received. It warned of an inbound fleet. The Royal Signals confirmed it's existence using SATINT. This resulted in a second missile submarine in the North Atlantic rising to firing depth. It would fire 16 missiles, each carrying 12 warheads, at the inbound ships. Most ships would be targeted with 4 warheads while some would only receive 3. The largest ships would be targeted with 4 while smaller ones would receive only 3.

Meanwhile, Naval Rail-guns along the coast were brought online to attack any ships that survived.

[quote]
OOC: Time doesn't freeze just because you don't reply. There was a full day between both of my posts, an ample amount of time for a response. The first one was a deployment rather than a battle, so it's not as though I'm making a double-attack. And technically, I haven't landed yet, so really, the only thing that's actually happened are the aircraft attacks.[/quote]

OOC: Actually, I'm pretty sure it does. A day is not long enough for people who have to respond to several attacks at the same time.

Edited September 11, 2011 by King Timmy

[Centurius]

[quote name='King Timmy' timestamp='1315754193' post='2798716']
The thing was, the English wanted to give the impression of being badly organised. They also wanted to give the Germans all the room they needed to maneuver, for now. They wanted the Germans to think this was going to be a walk in the park and then strike with a counter offensive.



OOC: Very high altitudes? Come on they're SAMs not AAA.

120 of the mobile rocket platforms were hit bit the counter barrage and taken out of action to varying degrees of damage. 1,000 troops were killed or too wounded to cintinue fighting and 30 Challengers were either destroyed or rendered useless for the time being.



Luckily English intelligence networks had not been connected to the outside world for a long time so German cyberwarfare attempts would be minimally effective. Many dishes were destroyed but with communications spanning the entire length of the country it would take a lot longer for the Germans to deal a blow big enough to stop the Royal Signals communicating with their satellites. Mobile stations were readied in the case they were in any way successful.



The Anti-Ship missile would luckily have no effect on a submarine which was submerged the entire time and moving away from where the missiles were fired. It would return to HMNB Clyde to re-arm.

[size="7"][b]Operation Stick It To The Gerries
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The plan was simple and if pulled off correctly would deal a very damaging blow to the German offensive. There were several parts to the plan, the first involved missiles. Yes, more missiles.

These were unlike any other missiles that had been fired in the war so far however. They had a very specific purpose. To ensure the Germans had limited intelligence of English military movements, their satellites would be targeted. A blanket policy was put in place whereby any reconnaissance satellite in a low earth orbit (OOC: That's where spy satellites are, right?) above England would be fired upon until destroyed using SM-3 ASAT missiles. The next part of the plan would not commence until there were no remaining satellites in the air above England. Long Range SAM sites would continue to fire at any UFO (OOC: Not aliens) in the skies above England to defend the oncoming assault. Any further satellites nearing England would also be fired upon without warning.

Part two was the most simple. English satellites had identified that the Germans were forming their advance into three main groups, and in a very organized manner. With an estimate of 400-500k soldiers on English soil, English troops knew they were outnumbered. It was time to even the odds. The idea here was to cause disruption and cause disorganization in the German lines. 2,000 Rocket Artillery systems had now been deployed to the front line along with 2,000 Challengers, Warriors and Thor Artillery Systems.

The Rocket Artillery would open fire first. Each system having a stock of at least 40 missiles in tow gave a possible barrage of 80,000 missiles. They would fire until they were out of ammunition or they had been taken out of action. They would not stay static either to make it difficult for the Germans to pin point where the attacks were coming from. Missiles would be fired all along the German lines, specifically targeting armour and supplies, be it vehicles or depots but also troops and transportation. It was clear the Germans were using mobile HQ stations rather than static buildings, they would be attacked too. The barrage would be unrelenting. The majourity of the missiles would concentrate on the centre of the German groups (OOC: Central from north to south, assuming you're moving North) in an attempt to cut off the enemy lines in half.

Meanwhile, part three involved the English forces, numbering 200k on the front lines, being divided into four battle groups each containing 50,000 men along with 500 of each type of armoured unit and adequate transport. The four groups would head south during the barrage in-between the german groups and then flank them in the middle of their lines with approximately 66,000 men attacking each and then driving south whilst defending from the north. Meanwhile, in the north 100,000 more men with 1,000 of each type of armour were forming a second front to attack the Germans. 33,000 men would attack the front of each group following the missile barrage. They would have with them another 1,000 Rocket Artillery systems, another 40,000 missiles, and commence a secondary barrage on the front of the German front lines before assaulting.

In each attack Challengers and Warriors would spearhead the assault under covering fire from Thor artillery which would again not stay still after firing. 660 of each would attack the centre of the German lines while 330 would be attacking the front. All 200 Apaches and 200 Comanches would be dedicated to the front of the German lines to make up for the smaller number of soldiers and armour compared to the south. Armour would be their main target, be it MBTs, tank destroyers or anything else the Germans possessed. Once the missile barrage had ended they would strike hard and fast at the German lines, not giving them a second to reorganize before the assault.

Troops would open fire first, there was no need for them to wait to be fired upon first. The rules of engagement were simple in this situation, kill or be killed. As the soldiers assaulted the lines snipers and machine guns would engage from long range along with grenade machine guns. Mobile anti-armour units would be ready to fire upon any armour that was not yet destroyed while mobile SAMs would continue to fire upon anything that would try and disrupt the assault.

At the same time as the assault eTyphoons would be launched to provide electronic communication jamming against the German forces. 10 would be assigned to each English battle group, totaling 60 in all. They would travel at very high altitudes to avoid being hit by German ADs. They would also be disrupting the radar of German fighters over the battlefields.

OOC: So what exactly am I replying to for rauchen's posts? Just the first one? Surely he can't post twice before I respond to him.
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OOC: King Timmy 80,000 missiles sounds rather excessive.

[Kaiser Martens]

OOC: This is the war of the missiles lol...wait what 80k of em? o_o
And yeah we can be somewhat lenient when it comes to ooc posting time.
Anyways, if I $%&@ up the Losses again let me know.
As for the high altitude,
It combined with the bad shape in which your remaining AD systems appear to be means that targetting the planes is very difficult, if not impossible sometimes, the missile being able to fly that high up won't change much if it can't target the stealthy aircraft. And, even if your SAM sites proper were alright, since the various detection arrays happened it'd be like trying to snipe with a blindfold on.
Last time I checked, satellites cannot actually be destroyed.
Though you can try going for the Recon Unmanned Aircraft.
Also, lol UFOs : D

IC:

13 of the Submarines, including the Polarstern, were sent to try and back up the Kurlandic Efforts.

Some Cyberwarfare Teams were moved towards Germanian-Controlled England, in order to have access to the English Network, which they would then be able to strike to full effect, if all went as planned.

All the antiship missile seemed to do was say "We know you're there" - but in effect, at that time nothing could be done about it. It shouldn't even have been fired to begin with...

The counter-artillery fire seemed to have been fairly effective, but either way the SPGs knew better than to remain where they were, even when they were not being fired upon, for all they knew they could be targetted, so they would fire and move as the standard doctrine throughout this conflict. It seemed exxagerated, but it would save lives.

Whenever one of the remaining SAMs fired, basically, the Germanian command saw a new dot on the map. This new dot would become the recipient of a medium range rocket, fired off from somewhere in West Germania. The same happened for the missiles that the english shot. Indeed, using any kind of launching facility seemed to be a death sentence, and at this rate it would not be too strange if the English ended up basically "running out" of silos. But well. They'd have been targetted sooner or later anyway.

The missile systems moved around often, therefore it was decided that they could not be targetted by the usual means of a 155/210mm Shell or a Missile from the Mainland. It was instead decided to task the Stealth Bombers with prowling the area in silence, like snakes, until the right chance presented itself - the chance to fire upon the artillery - but then they had to get away to avoid defensive fire. They would act in a Tactical Role, tackling things that would cause the Land Army trouble, so the idea was to convey the message that if you shot rockets you'd be typically killed first.

When the rockets were fired, a command was issued: "Scatter or take cover." - The divisions, in smaller groups would move out of the way in a quick, but orderly fashion - with nerves of steel even as some wouldn't quite make it on time. Scattering wasn't a problem, since the scattering was of Groups, not of People - it was contemplated in the organization. Determining which was which, for the English, would be tough. Mobile HQs almost always looked like regular tanks or IFVs on the outside, but well, an enemy was still an enemy and shooting everything that moved and was from the Mainland still worked well enough.

The Germanian Comms were to some degree successfully jammed, but either way the same can be said about the English. As battle went on, the armies would be forced to become less centralized, individual Generals and individual Training would compensate, as planned, for the mainlanders' words.

The Center seemed to be falling and retreating. The Germanians had to admit that the English had to be brave to attack so brazenly in spite of being so outnumbered, and in spite of the multitude of rockets and bombs falling upon both sides nearly constantly since the war had started. If it weren't for strict training, the whole situation would have by now degenerated into some type of gigantic barfight.

"AG Center, Fall back. Protect the Big Guns" (SPGs)

Where others saw a setback, Gebivson-Mannelig saw an opportunity. In the end, all lines had to fall back and scatter to avoid excessive damage by missiles, which allowed the English Attacks to progress. To some degree. The Germanian Armor Elements, which seemed to have little problem dealing with their English Counterparts due to the plain fact that they could shoot and kill the English before they were close enough to fire back effectively. That is to say, Germanian Panzer Cannons were simply much better, and their use of Scout Rockets allowed them to target the Challengers before actually being able to see them.

The Germanians didn't fall back forever, each of the Army Groups divided essentially in three main chunks, although in turn each group had its own divisions. One group were the Long Range weapons plus their Defenders - mostly SPGs and soldiers. The two other groups had moved to the left and the right respectively, and then using the Panzers and the most mobile, resistant elements, these groups as pincers would move to encircle the English Advance. A few units moved past the *whole* battle (Probably around 50 for each group) in order to "Raid" the English Artillery and be generally troublesome. But what counted the most is that the English Counteroffensive and Flanking would be made to turn into a "counter-flanking" operation. The idea was to surround them and then crush them using the superior numbers to wipe the Southern English Army out.

But there was something else used to break the Southern English Army. Each of its attacking groups was targetted by a FOAB-class ICBM - it was time to get serious. So they would have to deal not only with their own ongoing operation, and not only with the resulting counter-flanking and surrounding maneuver, but with, essentially, the biggest, strongest non-nuclear bombs available to man. Plus the occational helicopter and plane doing CAS/Air Superiority respectively. It was meant to be overwhelming, confusing. Victory or valhalla.

[i]"This is it. Put the rope around their necks. That large explosion - it is our sunrise. Forwards!" [/i]

Then, the power started going out in England. Power Stations had been also targetted by rockets.

Edited September 12, 2011 by Kaiser Martens

[Rauchen]

[quote name='King Timmy' timestamp='1315756678' post='2798729']
The message from an unknown origin was received. It warned of an inbound fleet. The Royal Signals confirmed it's existence using SATINT. This resulted in a second missile submarine in the North Atlantic rising to firing depth. It would fire 16 missiles, each carrying 12 warheads, at the inbound ships. Most ships would be targeted with 4 warheads while some would only receive 3. The largest ships would be targeted with 4 while smaller ones would receive only 3.

Meanwhile, Naval Rail-guns along the coast were brought online to attack any ships that survived.
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Many of the artillery-bearing ships, weighed down by their load, were hardly able to take evasive action against such an attack. A few were able to scoot out of the way, or were protected by a decoy, but the English missiles generally hit their mark. Thirty-nine of these ships were damaged and sank; most of the artillery pieces attached to the decks were lost, but some, mostly the lighter D-30s, were salvaged by NH-90 helicopters and transferred to another ship. Another five ships were damaged; 2 of them had suffered engine damage and were effectively disabled, but the other three only suffered minor hull damage. Of the 100 artillery pieces secured to those ships, 78 were lost. 405 of the artillery crewmen were killed by the warheads or drowned, and another 136 were wounded; most of the injured and uninjured soldiers were rescued by other ships.

Kurlandic cruise missiles, AGM-129s and MGM-31 Pershing IIs, were launched from military posts in Kalmar, Gotland, Estland, and Livland. With satellite feeds and intel provided by the Germans, they targeted English arms factories, RADAR stations, railguns and rocket launch pads. 150 AGMs and 100 Pershings were fired ahead of the invasion force.

As the English railguns opened fire, the aircraft of Air Group B prioritized coastal defenses in their support of the attack, launching ASM missiles at the railguns. The guns still did a number, sinking several transports and even more decoys. 2,350 Army soldiers were killed before they reached the beach, along with 425 SKS. Ships containing 11 M1 Abrams, 14 Marders, 16 M113s, and another 16 artillery pieces. The few remaining artillery-armed ships fired upon the English coast, softening up enemy positions before the first wave landed. UH-60s and NH-90s began launching their operations as planned, dropping companies in along the coast just as the first wave of SKS troops landed on the beach from the transports. Coordinating with the helicopter and fighter support, SKS infantry supported primarily by the M113s and Marders focused their attacks on the remaining coastal positions in the area.


OOC: I was unsure about the rail guns. I was under the impression that one had to roleplay out the development of future tech, including rail guns, but I can’t find any such posts by Timmy. Are they permitted? I’ll reply to damages by the coastal defenses once this is cleared up.

Also, Timmy, you need to respond to my aircraft attacks assisting the Germans.


[b]EDITED[/b]: Casualties updated, stuff fixed.

Edited September 13, 2011 by Rauchen

[Aggressivenutmeg]

[b]War Room,
Oslo, Norway
0400 hours[/b]

King Haakon sat with his ministers. The situation in Europe had gotten worse, with Kurland entering the war; Norway was now dragged into the conflict as well. It was a disaster in the War Room. With Jarl Kane’s all but failed attempt at conquest, they would not be able to use a pre-established beachhead in the North. [i]“Activate the Home Guard, bring all forces to DEFCON 1. Contact the Germans and Kurlanders, let them know of our intentions. Send 132 and 137 Luftving to the German base in the Faroe Islands.”[/i] Feltmarskalk Bjarkøy barked at his staff officers.

[i]“Sir, as requested, the ekranoplans have been fitted with a CIWS. They should be ready to transport forces by tomorrow.”[/i] A naval officer reported.

[i]“Good, have 6th Brigade made ready for deployment. Deres Majestet?”[/i] Bjarkøy, now turned to Haakon. [i]“Request permission to commence Operation Bisexual Panther.”[/i]

Haakon frowned at the name, and let out a sigh of disappointment as a hushed laugh went around the office. [i]“Yes Feltmarskalk, you may begin.”[/i] And with that, Bjarkøy gave a nod to one of his officers, who gave the order to the forces:

[i]“Operation Bisexual Panther is a go!”[/i]

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[b]Operation Bisexual Panther,
Oslo Harbour, Norway
0430 hours[/b]

When the word was given, the battalions of the 1st Brigade (combined arms), were loaded onto transport ships. A total of 3000 men and 250 Tanks and IFVs would make up the Vanguard of Norwegian Forces. The fleet, however, would not land troops immediately. Instead, they would wait until Kurlandic forces had secured a beachhead, and then move in to support them. It was feared that British forces would not wait for a declaration of war, nor for the Norwegians to begin hostilities. The transports would be escorted by all 4 Longship class patrol ships and accompanied by replenishment at sea ships. The longship class would be useless against any proper warship, however, they did have CIWSs, and would use them in an attempt to protect the transports. The ships SH-60 Seahawk helicopters, had been equipped for anti-submarine warfare, they knew from Kane’s failure, that the British had submarines in the area. The Seahawks were equipped with torpedoes, depth charges, sonobuoys and noisemakers. They would be running round the clock airborne low frequency sonar patrols. The fleet would set of at 0630 hours, and be at the English coast in 4 days. The 132 and 137 Luftvings, along with supporting AWACS and refuling aircraft, would fly to the Faroes Islands. They would also temporarily fly in munitions, until merchant ships arrived carying them.

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[b] Wick, Scotland
0720 hours [/b]

Most of the men were scatted across the north of Scotland. Some 700 men now occupied Wick, another few hundred in Thurso. Most of the contact between units was by satellite phone, as most of their radio equipment was now at the bottom of the ocean. Word had reached Kane that the forces in the Orkneys had surrendered to Finnish forces. The men in the Shetlands were disorganised and there had been little contact with them. Kane, had informed the Norwegian government of his invasion, and he had been informed that there was now a warrant for his arrest, and he should expect Norwegian troops soon. For now, he had decided to hold the areas he already had, and wait for the King’s army to arrive, but his men were ill prepared to fend off any major counter attack. They lacked the necessary ammunition to do so, and only had a few SAMs and ATGMs. All Kane could do was wait.

Edited September 12, 2011 by Aggressivenutmeg

[Captain Enema]

[b]Legion France[/b]

Rene Decschaine, Governor of Legion France, face goes pale. The signals traffic coming from the English Channel tells the story of screaming and dying men. He immediately sends a message to Admiral Degrassi, of the LNS Fury, and orders him to prepare for rescue operations.

Providing permission to enter the waters can be gained from the English government.


[quote/]Private
To: Government of the United Kingdom
From: Legion France- Rene Deschaine

Sir-

Legion has no stake in this war. We do know that as we speak men are in dire need of assistance in the English Channel. Please allow us to send our Naval Task Force into the area to perform rescue operations of the men in the water.

We realize they are belligerents fighting you, but we ask that you allow common decency and reason to prevail against the desire for vengeance. Legion will broadcast clear signals to identify ourselves and we will use the utmost care in avoiding ships to stay out of the line of fire.

Further, we accept full responsibility in the event one of our helicopters or ships is fired upon due being misrecognized.

-Rene Deschaine
Governor of Legion France[/quote]

[King Timmy]

[quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1315769209' post='2798791']
OOC: King Timmy 80,000 missiles sounds rather excessive.
[/quote]
http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=98990&view=findpost&p=2671626

Each one has 64 missiles as it turns out, I'm being rather lenient not firing over 120,000 really.

[quote name='Rauchen' timestamp='1315802320' post='2799094']
Many of the artillery-bearing ships, weighed down by their load, were hardly able to take evasive action against such an attack. Patrol vessels, Cyclone class, targeted the missiles and warheads with their close-in weapons systems and anti-ballistics missiles. These systems destroyed 4 of the missiles before they got too close to their target, and successfully stopped another 51 warheads, but 93 of the warheads found their marks. Twenty-six of these ships were damaged and sank; most of the artillery pieces attached to the decks were lost, but some, mostly the lighter D-30s, were salvaged by NH-90 helicopters and transferred to another ship. Another seven ships were damaged; 4 of them had suffered engine damage and were effectively disabled, but the other three only suffered minor hull damage. Of the 100 artillery pieces secured to those ships, 48 were lost. 372 of the artillery crewmen were killed by the warheads or drowned, and another 119 were wounded; most of the injured and uninjured soldiers were rescued by other ships.

The aircraft of Air Group B prioritized coastal defenses in their support of the attack, launching ASM missiles at English coastal positions. The remaining artillery-armed ships fired upon the English coast, softening up enemy positions before the first wave landed. UH-60s and NH-90s began launching their operations as planned, dropping companies in along the coast just as the first wave of SKS troops landed on the beach from the transports. Coordinating with the helicopter and fighter support, SKS infantry supported primarily by the M113s and Marders focused their attacks on the remaining coastal positions in the area.

OOC: You have no IG navy, you can't shoot down my missiles, try again.

I was unsure about the rail guns. I was under the impression that one had to roleplay out the development of future tech, including rail guns, but I can’t find any such posts by Timmy. Are they permitted? I’ll reply to damages by the coastal defenses once this is cleared up.

Also, Timmy, you need to respond to my aircraft attacks assisting the Germans.
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OOC: You have no IG navy and therefore cannot hope to shoot down any missiles I fire. Also, how can you launch helicopters from non naval vessels?

Zoot RP'd all the defences before we merged and I took over England.

Ah, forgot, I'll probably get a reply up tomorrow and i'll include it then.

Also KM, satellites can be destroyed and there are zero casualties in your post. Also also, you're only four years ahead of me in the tech scale you can't just loltech your SAMs can't lock on to me or reach me.

If people keep godmodding I'm gonna ask for this entire thing to be wiped.

Edited September 12, 2011 by King Timmy

[Rauchen]

[quote name='King Timmy' timestamp='1315837109' post='2799230']
http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=98990&view=findpost&p=2671626

Each one has 64 missiles as it turns out, I'm being rather lenient not firing over 120,000 really.[/quote]
OOC: Considering the M270 and BM-30 MRLSs of the US and Russia could fire 12 rockets at a time, and generally don't carry excessive amounts of extra rockets at all times, I'd say 64/unit and 80,000 total is pretty high, certainly not realistic.


[quote]OOC: You have no IG navy and therefore cannot hope to shoot down any missiles I fire. Also, how can you launch helicopters from non naval vessels?

Zoot RP'd all the defences before we merged and I took over England.[/quote]
I used patrol ships from the coast guard; while certainly not nearly as effective as warships, they can provide a certain amount of support to naval movements, and are not, to my knowledge, limited by your naval count.

Helicopters really only need a flat surface to land or take off of. Helipads are ideal, obviously, but any flat surface will do, and cargo ships can serve that purpose.

And is it allowed to use tech RPs developed by previous nations? I know historic continuity is optional, and you don't automatically get the equipment and soldiers the previous regime had. Can new countries use the RP of a previous nation RP'd by a different player for military tech?

Sorry for the all OOC post, I'll update my previous post when this is cleared up.

[Centurius]

[quote name='Rauchen' timestamp='1315865107' post='2799385']
I used patrol ships from the coast guard; while certainly not nearly as effective as warships, they can provide a certain amount of support to naval movements, and are not, to my knowledge, limited by your naval count.

Helicopters really only need a flat surface to land or take off of. Helipads are ideal, obviously, but any flat surface will do, and cargo ships can serve that purpose.

And is it allowed to use tech RPs developed by previous nations? I know historic continuity is optional, and you don't automatically get the equipment and soldiers the previous regime had. Can new countries use the RP of a previous nation RP'd by a different player for military tech?

Sorry for the all OOC post, I'll update my previous post when this is cleared up.
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OOC: Only within your technological limits, and in this specific case it wasn't a reroll of an old nation. It was the exact same nation but just a different player. The agreed upon rule is that non-ig naval ships are for flavor rp mostly and not for actual war. I also doubt there are many patrol boats within the rules on navy that can survive on the open ocean.

[comrade nikonov]

Security overflights of the Orkney and Shetland islands have begun. Although Orkney is a completely military settlement, Shetland still has a few English settlers. They will be allowed to remain in their homes if they wish, or submit to bunkers to shelter and detainment. English civil forces will be detained until further notice.
The Finnish Navy North Sea Fleet has set sail from Vadso for the Orkney and Shetland islands.

[Rauchen]

[quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1315876299' post='2799488']
OOC: Only within your technological limits, and in this specific case it wasn't a reroll of an old nation. It was the exact same nation but just a different player. The agreed upon rule is that non-ig naval ships are for flavor rp mostly and not for actual war. I also doubt there are many patrol boats within the rules on navy that can survive on the open ocean.
[/quote]
OOC: Previous post has been adjusted accordingly.

[Kaiser Martens]

[quote]
Also KM, satellites can be destroyed and there are zero casualties in your post. Also also, you're only four years ahead of me in the tech scale you can't just loltech your SAMs can't lock on to me or reach me.[/quote]

OOC: There's "zero" casualties cause the engagement is still going, we should post casualties when the engagement is finished. Your SAMs cannot lock onto me because not only did I shoot the SAMs themselves but I actually shot the detection arrays, such as radar, which they use in order to find that which they're supposed to be shooting at. It's like trying to be a sniper without eyes. At the same time, whenever one of your SAMs did fire it's location is being pointed out, then they get a missile...simple enough. In any case I'll add some casualties here for the sake of convenience if it suits you well: As your counter attack started, I'd expect something around 10k casualties mostly created by your artillery systems.

Hey you know what,

I think from now on we should just have Cent decide on what our casualties are, otherwise we'll have this argument for the whole war, that or we can designate somebody else if you would think he's not suitable for the job as the "Causalty Meter" for the rest of the war to make it go more streamlined and stuff.

Oh and I forgot to say that the equivalent amount of planes to 3 squadrons were lost (Fighters) and 3 single bomber planes, plus 15 of the Recon Drones.

Edited September 13, 2011 by Kaiser Martens

[King Timmy]

[quote name='Kaiser Martens' timestamp='1315888548' post='2799625']
OOC: There's "zero" casualties cause the engagement is still going, we should post casualties when the engagement is finished. Your SAMs cannot lock onto me because not only did I shoot the SAMs themselves but I actually shot the detection arrays, such as radar, which they use in order to find that which they're supposed to be shooting at. It's like trying to be a sniper without eyes. At the same time, whenever one of your SAMs did fire it's location is being pointed out, then they get a missile...simple enough. In any case I'll add some casualties here for the sake of convenience if it suits you well: As your counter attack started, I'd expect something around 10k casualties mostly created by your artillery systems.

Hey you know what,

I think from now on we should just have Cent decide on what our casualties are, otherwise we'll have this argument for the whole war, that or we can designate somebody else if you would think he's not suitable for the job as the "Causalty Meter" for the rest of the war to make it go more streamlined and stuff.

Oh and I forgot to say that the equivalent amount of planes to 3 squadrons were lost (Fighters) and 3 single bomber planes, plus 15 of the Recon Drones.
[/quote]
OOC: If you can't be bothered doing your own casualties as they happen you shouldn't have started a war.

[Captain Enema]

ooc: Don't worry dude, KM is gonna get Vektor to finish it for him. Expect your obliteration anytime now.