grahamkeatley Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Morning, I was reading through the "War-Ready" thread and it just got me thinking about things, so I decided to expand on it and widen the criteria. I decided to focus on overall might as well as readiness, so not just percentages and averages. In my opinion, even if an alliance has half the ANS of another alliance - if it has double the NS it has an effect. It may not be a turning point but it needs to be taken into account. The areas that I took into account; NS Total, ANS, Infra Total, Tech Total, Nukes, Nukes Average, Infra Average, Tech Average, Infra:Tech, MP, SDI, WRC, Avg MilWon/member. Within these extra weight was added to Avg Military Wonders per member, Infra:Tech, Nukes per member. I took the Top Alliances and Ranked in each category 1-80 (**If a category was double weight it was 2-160), and collated the scoring with the Top Alliance achieving the lowest score in total; --- 1 : Umbrella - 141 2 : The Order Of The Paradox - 194 --- 3 : Mushroom Kingdom - 267 4 : Fark - 291 5 : World Task Force - 295 6 : Non Grata - 376 7 : FOK - 377 --- 8 : Green Protection Agency - 421 9 : Global Order Of Darkness - 434 10 : Argent - 450 11 : Asgaard - 454 12 : Sparta - 485 13 : Boards Alliance Of Protectorate States - 488 14 : The Prolific Empire - 493 --- 15 : Valhalla - 506 16 : Nueva Vida - 512 17 : The Grämlins - 531 18 : Créole - 543 19 : OMFG - 547 20 : The Last Remnants - 548 21 : The Dark Templar - 566 22 : Nordreich - 570 23 : Orange Defense Network - 590 24 : Olympus - 594 25 : Nusantara Elite Warriors - 612 26 : Siberian Tiger Alliance - 626 27 : Viridian Entente - 630 28 : Basketball Ninjas - 634 29 : Commonwealth Of Sovereign Nations - 647 30 : The Phoenix Federation - 649 31 : Independent Republic Of Orange Nations - 673 32 : The Order Of The Black Rose - 676 33 : The Foreign Division - 681 34 : Federation Of Armed Nations - 712 35 : Green Old Party - 723 36 : NATO - 731 --- 37 : New Polar Order - 762 38 : Legacy - 810 39 : Echelon - 813 40 : Mostly Harmless Alliance - 815 41 : RnR - 831 42 : New Pacific Order - 850 43 : Colossus - 852 44 : We Are Perth Army - 854 45 : World Federation - 859 46 : Random Insanity Alliance - 861 47 : Europa - 866 48 : Amazon Nation - 881 49 : Global Alliance And Treaty Organization - 897 50 : The Legion - 903 51 : The Democratic Order - 907 52 : Multicolored Cross-X Alliance - 910 53 : The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons - 914 54 : Global Democratic Alliance - 943 55 : Drunk N Disorderly - 951 56 : The Brain - 952 57 : The Templar Knights - 966 --- 58 : North Atlantic Defense Coalition - 1026 59 : Wolfpack - 1033 60 : Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics - 1033 61 : Ragnarok - 1071 62 : The International - 1091 63 : AGW Overlords - 1117 64 : LOSS - 1132 65 : Imperial Assault Alliance - 1143 66 : Menotah - 1156 67 : The Realm Of The Rose - 1166 68 : Christian Coalition Of Countries - 1187 69 : Coalition Of Royal Allied Powers - 1234 70 : The Shadow Accord - 1250 71 : New Sith Order - 1252 72 : Pax Corvus - 1256 73 : United Purple Nations - 1275 74 : Guru Order - 1284 75 : Aurora Borealis - 1286 76 : Libertarian Socialist Federation - 1286 77 : The Imperial Order - 1343 78 : Knights Of Ni! - 1348 79 : Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism - 1366 80 : Death Before Dishonor - 1401 I will try and incorporate additional categories and adjusted weightings if people have worthwhile suggestions on that front. Just note - no more collection of new data will be made, but I am more than willing to manipulate what I have as needed. GK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamkeatley Posted August 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 For reference, [img]http://i52.tinypic.com/r1na8p.jpg[/img] Again, this is a first draft my intention is to alter the weightings as we go along with suggestions. GK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) Outside of warchest there is nothing else you could have looked at. Great job GK edit: I would have left out the neutrals because they dont go to war so you cant really call them war ready (technically you can but you know what I mean) Edited August 26, 2011 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CzarBomba Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Very nice work. I like all the criteria you've used here. While some folks may still grumble about a few of these rankings (in particular neutrals on the list), they would be hard pressed to come up with more objective rankings than this. Well done, good sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 We have a serious lack of tech, can Umbrella please send us some? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janax Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I can live with 10th...for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMuz Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Very nice analysis, but maybe do another one without the averages? I think some sanctioned alliances (especially MHA) are crippled here by all the ghosts they get. NG and TLR are doing well, but once random new nations start ghosting them, I think their rating might drop too. Warchest speculation aside, I believe MHA is quite capable of going one on one with some of the 'higher' rated alliances like GOD and BN. The only way you could do this better is if you could try with things like top tier, upper mid tier, lower mid tier, warchests. I wonder if it's possible to estimate warchest from nation age, infra level, defending casualties, and trade ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 [quote name='MrMuz' timestamp='1314384992' post='2788843'] Very nice analysis, but maybe do another one without the averages? I think some sanctioned alliances (especially MHA) are crippled here by all the ghosts they get. NG and TLR are doing well, but once random new nations start ghosting them, I think their rating might drop too. Warchest speculation aside, I believe MHA is quite capable of going one on one with some of the 'higher' rated alliances like GOD and BN. The only way you could do this better is if you could try with things like top tier, upper mid tier, lower mid tier, warchests. I wonder if it's possible to estimate warchest from nation age, infra level, defending casualties, and trade ring. [/quote] Hahaha, I sure hope MHA, a 600 man alliance, could take on the Basketball Ninjas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander thrawn Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Still dragging MJ up with us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 12 : Sparta - 485 <--- Obviously it's their elite bomber forces that pull them up so far in the rankings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefjoe Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Great work, its appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaR Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Pretty cool, and does look more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaazzam Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1314389677' post='2788872'] Hahaha, I sure hope MHA, a 600 man alliance, could take on the Basketball Ninjas. [/quote] Naah, we got'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavii Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Seems about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrenster Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I think we can all agree to this, actually. Pretty objective way to go about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KagetheSecond Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 19th? We can do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaGneT Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) Wow, really cool. Must have taken an obscene amount of time, though. I think Creole is a shining example of how a very small (membership-wise) alliance can have a huge impact. Obviously that's been shown before, and such high aNS makes it self-evident, but we've never seen rankings with this sort of specificity. Nice. Also, 21... not bad, but looking at the 20 ahead of DT... well, those are all some pretty good alliances. Obviously PF did great and its nice to see 4 Mjolnir members in the top 25 EDIT: I know asking this takes a lot of nerve, but I'm sure a lot of us are thinking it. How often are you going to update this? Edited August 26, 2011 by MaGneT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Dammit BN, bringing PF down Also, this is fantastic, excellent job gk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pansy Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 [quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1314394162' post='2788916'] Wow, really cool. Must have taken an obscene amount of time, though. I think Creole is a shining example of how a very small (membership-wise) alliance can have a huge impact. Obviously that's been shown before, and such high aNS makes it self-evident, but we've never seen rankings with this sort of specificity. Nice. Also, 21... not bad, but looking at the 20 ahead of DT... well, those are all some pretty good alliances. Obviously PF did great and its nice to see 4 Mjolnir members in the top 25 EDIT: I know asking this takes a lot of nerve, but I'm sure a lot of us are thinking it. How often are you going to update this? [/quote] Olympus is coming for you DT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schad Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 [quote name='Poobah' timestamp='1314394293' post='2788918'] Dammit BN, bringing PF down Also, this is fantastic, excellent job gk [/quote] Hey, someone has to bite the ankles of all the nations that the top tier knocks out of range. How else would we get WRC nations down to your level so that they can nuke you with impunity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendoftheSkies Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 But what about Cruise Missile count?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Shaazzam' timestamp='1314392744' post='2788900'] Naah, we got'em. [/quote] Preseason exhibition game Edited August 26, 2011 by White Chocolate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Well, the obvious issue with this is that you have given equal importance to a range of factors that aren't important (i.e. infra and others) at upper levels and you're effectively counting some twice (i.e. tech and infra WRT to ratios). It doesn't give an accurate idea of the true worth of some larger alliances - because it naturally favours small top-tier heavy alliances when all the recent wars have shown that they are actually of limited use after the initial rounds of war (TOP, Umbrella etc). So this has given quite a nice ranking system, but it doesn't really offer any genuine analysis. Thanks for putting it together though, I always like these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KainIIIC Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Agreed banksy. Given the role that averages play in these rankings, its going to look quite good if you are Umbrella or PF but not so much if you're GOONS, NSO, or LoSS. If you look at our nations 25k and above, you'd find their avgs would probably be worthy for top 10, however only 30% of our alliance is, and that ratio will drag our alliance towards the bottom. However, collecting stats for different tiers sounds like an awful chore.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 [quote name='KainIIIC' timestamp='1314410876' post='2789054'] However, collecting stats for different tiers sounds like an awful chore.. [/quote] Oh kill me now. That'd be awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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