Dajobo Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1314582203' post='2790294'] It is common knowledge that Tyga is not a fan of TIO. [/quote] [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1314573949' post='2790228'] [b]I did not comment on the issue one way or another until Polar had made up their own mind.[/b] I kno wit is easier for you to dimiss that opinion as propaganda but if I disagreed with Polar on an issue I tell them so. [/quote] Trust me on this, Tyga makes his opinion quite clear when he wishes and every word he said here is 100% true. Emphasis added by me because I believe these are certainly not the actions of a biased person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stuart Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Tyga's statement does not speak for his own opinions though, only that he did not publicly say anything until NpO had made their minds up. Tyga is a smart guy and smart people know it is better to think before they speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dajobo Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Tyga was referring to the discussions on our own boards, not public statements. As Imperator Emeritus he has the access to comment where he wants, and chose to stay out of this until we had made our own decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1314582203' post='2790294'] It is common knowledge that Tyga is not a fan of TIO. [/quote] I have no feelings either way for TIO. As the protector of the original incarnation of TIO and the provider of a home for many of the people who set up the current incarnation of TIO I am surpriseed you think this is the case. The reformation of TIO wasn't an issue for the STA and while we declined to protect the current incarnation on their formation (laregly due to our policy of not taking on protectorates at a time when we wer recovering from a large war) there was no ill-feelings, at least not from my side of things. But, do continue to speak on my behalf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cao Pai Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1314584722' post='2790313'] I have no feelings either way for TIO. As the protector of the original incarnation of TIO and the provider of a home for many of the people who set up the current incarnation of TIO I am surpriseed you think this is the case. The reformation of TIO wasn't an issue for the STA and while we declined to protect the current incarnation on their formation (laregly due to our policy of not taking on protectorates at a time when we wer recovering from a large war) there was no ill-feelings, at least not from my side of things. But, do continue to speak on my behalf. [/quote] He's only speaking of you in a similar fashion to which you were speaking of us. Don't get your panties in a wad if someone gets something wrong about you, because you sure got some things wrong about this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cao Pai Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Cao Pai' timestamp='1314661095' post='2790665'] He's only speaking of you in a similar fashion to which you were speaking of us. Don't get your panties in a wad if someone gets something wrong about you, because you sure got some things wrong about us on this one. [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stuart Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 [quote name='Cao Pai' timestamp='1314661095' post='2790665'] He's only speaking of you in a similar fashion to which you were speaking of us. Don't get your panties in a wad if someone gets something wrong about you, because you sure got some things wrong about this one. [/quote] I am actually referring to the drama associated with how the 2nd TIO reformed and its initial core of members being former members of STA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorponok Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1314584722' post='2790313'] I have no feelings either way for TIO. As the protector of the original incarnation of TIO and the provider of a home for many of the people who set up the current incarnation of TIO I am surpriseed you think this is the case. The reformation of TIO wasn't an issue for the STA and while we declined to protect the current incarnation on their formation (laregly due to our policy of not taking on protectorates at a time when we wer recovering from a large war) there was no ill-feelings, at least not from my side of things. But, do continue to speak on my behalf. [/quote] Being a founder of both incarnations, i can speak from first hand experience on this subject. This being at the time we asked for protection months in advance and due to the war and helping STA recover we held off our reformation. We understood you guys werent in a suitable situation to protect anyone, as were we told by yourself. However whilst at the time you personally showed no ill will to TIO. Some of your gov and membership did / still do. But i dont get why this was brought up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cao Pai Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I don't know how/why I quoted myself, and it won't let me edit either post. My apologies for the double post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 [quote name='Scorponok' timestamp='1314663247' post='2790673'] Being a founder of both incarnations, i can speak from first hand experience on this subject. This being at the time we asked for protection months in advance and due to the war and helping STA recover we held off our reformation. We understood you guys werent in a suitable situation to protect anyone, as were we told by yourself. However whilst at the time you personally showed no ill will to TIO. Some of your gov and membership did / still do. But i dont get why this was brought up. [/quote] My members are entitled to their opinions. but thanks for verifying that I hold no particular ill-will towards TIO. [quote name='Cao Pai'] He's only speaking of you in a similar fashion to which you were speaking of us. Don't get your panties in a wad if someone gets something wrong about you, because you sure got some things wrong about this one. [/quote] The difference being I provided evidence to support my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrum Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1314671022' post='2790762'] The difference being I provided evidence to support my opinion. [/quote] While you'll always be a trend setter tyga, thats one trend Im afraid this planet simply cant handle. Evidence to support an opinion has no place here you heathen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Yes, the poo-flingers will just fling more poo in the hope it sticks eventually. Such is life in the Cyberverse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchellBade Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 I approve TIO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yevgeni Luchenkov Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 [quote name='Dajobo' timestamp='1314581280' post='2790287'] 2) Tyga has full and total knowledge of the situation, and access to all of the logs. He indeed knows as much as we do on the subject but has no vested interest in the matter. Given this unique position, I think his words carry more weight than mine would as I quite clearly do have a vested interest. [/quote] Tyga has a vested interest in this particular debate: you are his ally and any political fallout you face is political fallout his alliance faces by proxy. However, that doesn't prevent him from making a lot of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 [quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1314694016' post='2790907'] Tyga has a vested interest in this particular debate: you are his ally and any political fallout you face is political fallout his alliance faces by proxy. However, that doesn't prevent him from making a lot of sense. [/quote] I don't have any vested interest because I don't care whether the NpO and TIO have a treaty or not. My only reason for posting here was to point out that the TIO's claim earlier in this discussion, that the downgrade was open to negotiation, was not the case and that they were misleading people when saying so. On the NpO's boards (or anywhere else for that matter) I said nothing on the topic as the NpO discussed what was unfolding and how to respond to it. It is not nor has it been my role as Imperator Emeritus of the NpO to influence their government policies and decisions. If I'm asked for my opinion I offer it but other than that I stay well clear. If, as you say, I had a vested interest then I'd assume I'd have been more vocal in that process as, afterall, it may affect my alliance by way of our treaty with the NpO. The fact is, I wasn't involved because I have no interest in the outcome, vested or otherwise. Had TIO said "we no longer wished to be allied to the NpO" for reason X or no reason at all I'd have said nothing. Had they said "we decided to downgrade on the NpO and we stand by that despite their efforts to address our concerns" then I'd have said nothing because at least it would have been the truth. I don't see any political fallout for the NpO over this because they did nothing wrong here. I'm sure those with an axe already grinding away will use this to keep that axe grinding but on its own, this is a non-issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippy Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1314675146' post='2790798'] Yes, the poo-flingers will just fling more poo in the hope it sticks eventually. Such is life in the Cyberverse! [/quote] How un-PC of you. The proper nomenclature is 'Excrement Distribution Specialists'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 [quote name='nippy' timestamp='1314698241' post='2790916'] How un-PC of you. The proper nomenclature is 'Excrement Distribution Specialists'. [/quote] Un-PC and proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cao Pai Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1314671022' post='2790762'] The difference being I provided evidence to support my opinion. [/quote] Nearly everything you provided was hear-say, seemingly made up, or completely wrong, and I believe Stagger has pointed that out quite well enough. Having no evidence is sometimes better than having false evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomInterrupt Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 [quote name='Cao Pai' timestamp='1314840172' post='2791873'] Nearly everything you provided was hear-say, seemingly made up, or completely wrong, and I believe Stagger has pointed that out quite well enough. Having no evidence is sometimes better than having false evidence. [/quote] I guess you missed the point (that was made at least three times) that Tyga had literally all of the evidence. Unless of course logs are not evidence which would make a text-based world a tad difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cao Pai Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 [quote name='RandomInterrupt' timestamp='1314845240' post='2791922'] I guess you missed the point (that was made at least three times) that Tyga had literally all of the evidence. Unless of course logs are not evidence which would make a text-based world a tad difficult. [/quote] He needs to work on his interpretation skills a little then, or stop being influenced by NpO so much, because the claims he drew from the evidence were a bit far fetched. But that's cool, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) The irony of someone who has missed an oft repeated fact in this discussion lecturing me on comprehension skills is not lost on me. Then again, you are the person claiming direct quotes from a transcript of a discussion between the NpO and TIO is "hearsay", "made up" or "completely wrong" so I'm not surprised really. I have pointed out, not from hearsay but from actual transcripts of discussions between the NpO and TIO, where it was made evident that there was no discussion to be had. I even bolded the most relevant section of that transcript when challenged to do so. When looking at a situation you need to look at the whole picture. TIO made noises about discussion and keeping their minds open but it is clear from the transcript, especially the sections I highlighted, that any attempt to discuss or avert the downgrade was shunned which, to me, says there really was no discussion to be had in the eyes of TIO and the mentioning of discussion was merely lip-service. Now, I drew that conclusion from what was said between TIO and the NpO. Not from hearsay, not from bits and pieces of the conversations but from the entire transcript of what was said between TIO and NpO. I drew my conclusion based not on words but actions and those actions were TIO closing the door on any discussion or attempt by the NpO to address the concerns that brought about the decision to downgrade the treaty between the NpO and TIO. Add to this the general hostility from some in TIO towards the NpO in this discussion and it further supports my conclusion that this treaty was dead in the water for wahtever reason. I do understand that seeing as you cannot find any fault in the logic used to come to this conclusion you need instead make erroneous assumptions about my knowledge or lackthereof with regards to this situation with no evidence at all to back up those assumptions. Keep flinging. Perhaps, some day, a piece might stick. Edited September 1, 2011 by Tygaland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyGrub Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1314866968' post='2792116'] Keep flinging. Perhaps, some day, a piece might stick. [/quote] Be careful Tyga, apparently it sticks to fur. Having seen the exact same discussions as Tyga, I believe his is the only possible inference that could be drawn from the words as written. To suggest an alternative interpretation defies the common use of all the words in the logs. Grub agreeing with Tyga...not pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 [quote name='Cao Pai' timestamp='1314846074' post='2791931'] He needs to . . . stop being influenced by NpO so much[/quote] I lol'ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted September 2, 2011 Report Share Posted September 2, 2011 [quote name='Facade' timestamp='1314559707' post='2790087'] Yes. I believe that's what I had stated. [/quote] Then why did a member of your government tell me specifically that they had never discussed any change in expectations, and went on to further tell me that if those were your new standards, you would only have one treaty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believland Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 Congrats to TIO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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