D34th Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1314081405' post='2786714'] Hopefully, the Body Republic of the New Polaris Order make use, in due haste, of this new disposition in its Charter. [/quote] Don't worry, I'm currently working to overthrow Random and become Emperor, then we can sign a MADP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorponok Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Well good luck then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote name='Dajobo' timestamp='1314082415' post='2786717'] Skippy no one is talking about the text being changed. Once the intent has been changed and TIO's commitment had changed then the treaty, not the words has changed. In this case we regard a great many of you as friends and genuinely wish you all the success and prosperity in the world, but a treaty is no longer viable. I intend on staying in touch with friends and remembering the good times we had as allies. [/quote] The thing is though, we didn't opt for cancellation, but it was an option should you not accept our offer/request for a downgrade. As nothing had been agreed on between our alliances, nothing itself had really changed. We still held an MDoAP, right up until you cancelled it. Hypothetically, should you have been attacked even one minute before you cancelled, we'd still be bound to defend you. Personally, I find it interesting that you jumped the gun to cancel on us, before we had come to an agreement on either downgrading, or us cancelling. I'll be honest here, it looks to me like you're trying to save some face. Yes, I'd like to retain friendships, but I can't say I like the way you've gone about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stuart Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Why does this always happen to polar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potato Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Congratulations, Polaris. On both the treaty and the charter change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyGrub Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1314090348' post='2786745'] Why does this always happen to polar? [/quote] Because we are terrible people and we deserve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solaris Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1314090348' post='2786745'] Why does this always happen to polar? [/quote] Why does polar always happen to these? Perhaps with their new charter and all, in the future, they might experience more fluent communications with their allies and enemies alike. Haven't yet studied the changes, so can't tell if they're actually viable or sane, but the part where removing an emperor becomes a legal possibility is certainly sane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amossio Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) well, unlucky for polar, perhaps TIO are way better off without them. Edited August 23, 2011 by Amossio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldConqueror Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 I'm pretty neutral towards both alliances, but this is probably a good political move for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Savage Man Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Overdue for both moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrin Xies Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Hooray for my good friends over at TIO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote name='Skippy' timestamp='1314088842' post='2786739'] Personally, I find it interesting that you jumped the gun to cancel on us, before we had come to an agreement on either downgrading, or us cancelling. I'll be honest here, it looks to me like you're trying to save some face. [/quote] Look at IAA. Compare how the two situations even [i]appear[/i] to be similar, regardless of actual reality, and you have your answer. They're just trying to prevent the situation being spun against them before they have a chance to say a word. Having been burned like this once before myself, just as Polar has already experienced, I really can't see fault in them for wanting to get the word out first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amossio Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Tequila Mockingbird' timestamp='1314081227' post='2786713'] It always gets me when someone says, "Congrats x alliance, you're better off without y alliance." TIO wont be any better off because TIO is a terrible alliance and is still allied to a bunch of equally terrible alliances. [/quote] I find your comment quite offensive sir [quote name='Farrin Xies' timestamp='1314093648' post='2786758'] Hooray for my good friends over at TIO! [/quote] unfortunately they are still tied to pacifica Edited August 23, 2011 by Amossio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefano Palmieri Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote name='Tequila Mockingbird' timestamp='1314081227' post='2786713'] It always gets me when someone says, "Congrats x alliance, you're better off without y alliance." TIO wont be any better off because TIO is a terrible alliance and is still allied to a bunch of equally terrible alliances. [/quote] Sums up my thoughts. Congrats on the charter changes though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mompson Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Hail the new charter, and I wish our friends in TIO good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinuteVariance Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Terrific addition to Random's legacy of excellent results as leader. Well played all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster83 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Sad but necessary. Best of luck to TIO. o/ Polaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigro Nigronious Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote name='Jtkode' timestamp='1314073825' post='2786637'] Glad to see you all doing well , oh and obligatory: I SEE A COUP COMING... P.S. Canceling is always sad [/quote] I really hope your treaty is next on the chopping block. Good stuff Polaris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoADarthCyfe6 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) Best of luck to TIO, you're way better off without Polaris. Though, I still find it amusing that Polaris is still dumping allies when they want to downgrade with them. Edited August 23, 2011 by SoADarthCyfe6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomInterrupt Posted August 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote name='Skippy' timestamp='1314088842' post='2786739'] The thing is though, we didn't opt for cancellation, but it was an option should you not accept our offer/request for a downgrade. As nothing had been agreed on between our alliances, nothing itself had really changed. We still held an MDoAP, right up until you cancelled it. Hypothetically, should you have been attacked even one minute before you cancelled, we'd still be bound to defend you. [/quote] Actually you still have 48 hours or so. [quote name='Skippy' timestamp='1314088842' post='2786739'] Yes, I'd like to retain friendships, but I can't say I like the way you've gone about this. [/quote] Likewise and agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernkastel Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 I blame Skippy for everything. That said, congrats TIO and best of luck Polaris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyster Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) Take care TIO on where ever your paths may take you o/ [quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1314090348' post='2786745'] Why does this always happen to polar? [/quote] Because some people are scared. duh Edited August 23, 2011 by alyster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote name='RandomInterrupt' timestamp='1314107452' post='2786808'] Actually you still have 48 hours or so. [/quote] Ah good, I was wondering if you were going to stick with that, didn't see it in the OP and such. I was looking for someone in #polaris earlier to see if they could verify if you were going to still give us the cool down period or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashoka the Great Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote name='Skippy' timestamp='1314088842' post='2786739'] The thing is though, we didn't opt for cancellation, but it was an option should you not accept our offer/request for a downgrade. As nothing had been agreed on between our alliances, nothing itself had really changed. We still held an MDoAP, right up until you cancelled it. Hypothetically, should you have been attacked even one minute before you cancelled, we'd still be bound to defend you. Personally, I find it interesting that you jumped the gun to cancel on us, before we had come to an agreement on either downgrading, or us cancelling. I'll be honest here, it looks to me like you're trying to save some face. Yes, I'd like to retain friendships, but I can't say I like the way you've gone about this. [/quote] Look, I don't mean to quibble, but....oh who am I kidding? I live to quibble. You say cancellation was an 'option' if Polaris didn't accept the idea of a downgrade. Alright, then. What was the other option you presented them with? I ask because the word 'option' implies that there was more than one possible outcome if they didn't like changing the nature of your agreement. If no other 'option' was one the table, then Polaris' actions are completely understandable. Or, to put it another way.... TIO: "I don't think we should be a 'couple' anymore. More like 'friends with benefits'. But if you're not happy with this, I suppose we'll have to break up." NpO: "Well, I still like you, but when can you get your crap out of my bathroom? It doesn't need to be there now." TIO: "What do you mean?" NpO: "I mean what I just said. We're not a couple. Please get your tampons out of my medicine cabinet. I'm going to need that space for condoms and lube." TIO: "You're being so unreasonable. Why are you hurting me like this?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medic32 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 [quote]TIO: "I don't think we should be a 'couple' anymore. More like 'friends with benefits'. But if you're not happy with this, I suppose we'll have to break up." NpO: "Well, I still like you, but when can you get your crap out of my bathroom? It doesn't need to be there now." TIO: "What do you mean?" NpO: "I mean what I just said. We're not a couple. Please get your tampons out of my medicine cabinet. I'm going to need that space for condoms and lube." TIO: "You're being so unreasonable. Why are you hurting me like this?" [/quote] I don't think this is really how it went in this case, but I LOVE the analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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