Owned-You Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='Pravus Ingruo' timestamp='1308935510' post='2740503'] "I believe you are missing the point of what this bloc is about, sir. This is a bloc for American security. This is not an MDoAP, MDP, MDAP, or anything of that nature. This is a defense organization for American sovereignty. This is to prevent foreign influences from gaining footholds in America, from dictating our affairs and our way of life. If you are not for American sovereignty as a whole, I would have to question what, if anything, you are for? The signers of this organization will pledge to defend EVERY American nation from foreign aggression, not simply the signers. Whether you trust them to or not, every nation that puts their signature onto this treaty WILL defend you should your sovereignty be violated by a foreign power. That is the pact we are making here today." Thomas turned to the rest. [/quote] Ignacio responded to the Emperor calmly with his usual keen stare and poise. "I did not misinterpret the meaning of the bloc, I understand what it stands for and will do. I'm for American sovereignty as a whole and I'd support that cause irregardless of this treaty or not." Ignacio paused before correcting a misinterpretation of the Emperor. "I also did not mean to suggest that it was the signers I did not trust to defend me either, I trust that they will irregardless of this document should they proceed without New Spain as it's stated clearly the document will protect all American nations. Rather I suppose you could say that it's the non-signers who will be afforded our potential protection without any due benefit to our nations in a tangible manner while they may go as they please on Imperialist adventures elsewhere with their Independence here guaranteed...thus abusing our protection. That is to say that signers will have to bear a heavy burden being the stewards of stability on America without really gaining much besides that and enabling non-signers a blank check to do as they please...and I cannot comment on to the affairs of the rest of you but New Spain has no problems with it's stability nor sovereignty at the present time which is the only tangible benefit I can presently determine from this bloc...and even then it'll be protected by you all without my signature as you seek to protect America as a whole. Hence why I have some apprehensions to tying down my country to this important role when we have just began stretching our legs." Ignacio paused to allow his peers to take in his statements before proceeding with his closing statement. "Again, I'll reiterate I'm for the tenets and core of this treaty but at the present I'll need more then just the prestige this treaty may generate before I can justify to my grace why I have pledged the lives of our men and women for every country in the Americas to potentially abuse." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McBride Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 "And, again, we wonder what document you are reading. If an American nation starts a war with a foreign power, they will not be afforded our protection. Nowhere in the document does it state that we will. The only role this Organization would play in such an instance would be that we would make sure the foreign power does not gain any land here in the Americas. Your fears, as they are, are completely unfounded." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShammySocialist Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) [b][OOC: Sorry all, been away for the week at work.][/b] [b]IC:[/b] Prince-Etranger Broussard tapped his fingers together as he sat at the table, listening to the other delegates speak, remaining rather silent for most of the meeting. Letting the other nations haggle over the wording of the accords and treaty, he reviewed the organizational treaty as it was presented to the delegates. Taking a sip of water and coughing, he adjusted his suit jacket quietly before sitting up in his chair and smiling politely. "A doctrine such as this certainly provides us with a document that we might find akin in Oceania, with the Oceanic Union Treaty, except I feel this document [i]definitely[/i] exceeds that document in scope. I will admit that I will agree with my counterpart from Quebec, and express a little discomfort with not involving other nations of the Americas in this organization, but I feel that possibly, over time, they may show themselves to be of quality to join this pact. That being said, I believe the Cajun Federation has no qualms about signing this document." Edited June 24, 2011 by TheShammySocialist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McBride Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) OOC: Freaking ninja edits. Edited June 24, 2011 by Pravus Ingruo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShammySocialist Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='Pravus Ingruo' timestamp='1308949737' post='2740673'] "Such a clause will not be added for it would directly contradict Article III." "III. Signatory Sovereignty The Signers of this treaty agree to respect the sovereignty of the other Signers." "Placing restrictions on other signer's sovereignty would certainly not be respecting it." [/quote] [b][OOC: Sorry, read something incorrectly, adjusted my statement.][/b] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owned-You Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 [quote name='Pravus Ingruo' timestamp='1308949283' post='2740668'] "And, again, we wonder what document you are reading. If an American nation starts a war with a foreign power, they will not be afforded our protection. Nowhere in the document does it state that we will. The only role this Organization would play in such an instance would be that we would make sure the foreign power does not gain any land here in the Americas. Your fears, as they are, are completely unfounded." [/quote] Ignacio listened and responded candidly. "That is precisely what I mean, if a nation in America attacks one in Europe it does not have to fear being annexed by a foreign power and losing it's lands. Which affords a nation operating under those circumstances quite a bit of capital at the expense of those within this bloc. However, I won't bother arguing that point further I only meant to bring it to the attentions of those in attendance and yourself as a concern of mine." Ignacio paused and calmly stated the reasons why he would not sign as a participant o the ATO. "That being said, at the present time New Spain does not see it as vital nor necessary for our involvement in this bloc, we simply feel it would limit our options too greatly and incur far too much cost in wartime resources and obligations that would be better spent elsewhere. When we reach a point where we are more comfortable with our status politically in America we may seek entrance into this organization." Ignacio rose and spoke one last word before proceeding to walk out of the conference. "I bid you farewell gentlemen and I hope their are no hard feelings over this as it is simply in the interests of my country to abstain signing onto the bloc at this time." He would board his private jet and depart for New Spain with his entourage on board to report his dealings to the King. He would arrive within a day of departure back to the warm sunlight of central Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShammySocialist Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 After watching the delegate from New Spain walk out, Broussard appeared to consider something for a moment, before adding his own signature to the document. [quote][b]For the Cajun Federation[/b] [i]HRH the Prince of Acadia, Henri Broussard[/i][/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McBride Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Thomas nodded at the representative from the Cajun Federation before turning to the rest of the group. "I'll attempt to explain it one more time just in case New Spain's bastardization got anyone thinking this Organization is anything than what it is. Should an American nation attack a foreign power, we will not stop the foreign power from attacking that American nation here. What we [i]would[/i] do is work with that foreign power so they do not get any land in America. Jointly take the land over as a protectorate or somesuch. Apparently that concept slipped past the New Spain representative's head." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Frontier Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 [b]Signing for La Republique du Quebec, her Citizens and her National Assembly, in the Name of Christ Our Lord,[/b] [i]His Excellency, Maxime Vigneault, President of La Republque The Right Honourable Alexandre Picard, Prime Minister of La Republique[/i] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McBride Posted June 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 "Well, with that, as everyone present has signed, I thank you all for your time." A cart of a variety of alcohol was brought in. "Feel free to have a few drinks to celebrate. I'll go and announce this to the world. You're also welcome to stay in Washington however long you'd like. If you'd wish to speak to me personally regarding other matters, please see my secretary (OOC: start a new thread)." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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