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*Sigh* I might regret doing this later, but what's a guy to do?

What is one to do to amuse himself on a dull and dreary evening such as this? Well, perhaps I can get a discussion going here. We just came out of a long conflict afterall, so there's not much we can do, but wander the boards to grasp at whatever tiny morsels of drama/intrigue we can possibly get our grubby mitts on before the next apocalyptic war comes our way.


And with myself being a prominent government member of several minor alliances before now, I can say with absolute confidence that I don't have [i]!@#$[/i].



...Well, okay I did come across one tiny little thing whilst rummaging through my old Corp log files. Not too big a deal really, but I think it's topic-worthy. Although I'm fairly sure at least some people had guessed the truth about this situation. Hell, for all I know this already got out somehow and is pretty much common knowledge by now (in which case I will feel quite silly). In any case, since Corp is toast (and has been for quite a while) I see no harm in bringing these logs to light. And I'd just like to establish that I am just as guilty here as anyone else in these logs, so I don't mean to slander anyone with this. So against my better judgment, here it is, incriminating logs regarding some small raiding incident that caused some huge global war or other:

[quote][01:00] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> I'm loaded
[01:00] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> You talk to him
[01:01] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> Fine
01[01:01] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> haw
[01:01] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> plus we promised PC 3 days
01[01:01] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> ?
[01:01] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> we can push to 2
01[01:01] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> ???
[01:01] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> but same day is a little premature
01[01:01] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> ???????????????????????
[01:01] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> PC and \m/ are raiding FoA tonight
[01:01] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> patience
01[01:01] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> oh cool
01[01:01] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> so why would we talk to their leaders?
[01:02] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> because
[01:02] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> after a couple days of war
[01:02] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> PC will peace out
[01:02] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> then we tell FoA it was because we brokered it
[01:02] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> then they merge with us
[01:02] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> perfect plan is perfect
01[01:02] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> oooh
01[01:02] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> crafty
[01:02] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> yeah
01[01:03] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> unless some one should leak it to the public
[01:03] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> well, only those of us in this room, plus Derwood from PC know
[01:03] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> so I doubt it
[01:03] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> but if it is leaked
[01:03] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> I blame you
06[01:03] * &Legendoftheskies[Corp] is a spy
01[01:04] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> so why do we want Sparta's rejected !@#$ to merge into us anyway?
[01:04] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> Because it's 700k of buttery goodness
01[01:05] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> what I'd like to know is why the cancelation happened
[01:05] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> Then go find out
[01:05] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> CCO
[01:05] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> k, gonna buy 500 infra now
[01:05] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> even though I am just 14 days inactive
01[01:05] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> 700k NS isn't worth it if we get fags
[01:05] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> will still collect at 15 days
[01:05] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> and take the one day bill hit
[01:05] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> cuz I am inpatient
[01:05] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> Go find out then Legend
[01:05] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> You ARE the CCO
[01:05] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> *impatient
01[01:06] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> a bit late now if they're hitting tonight
01[01:06] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> it's update, didn't they already hit?
01[01:06] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> one raid
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:01] *** Now talking to rebel_lead3r
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:01] rebel_lead3r is a registered nick
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:01] rebel_lead3r using cyclone.coldfront.net Welcome to Coldfront!
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:01] <iClean[Corp|CEOut]> Hello.
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:01] <rebel_lead3r> howdy
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:01] <iClean[Corp|CEOut]> I noticed your alliance was getting raided by PC and \m/.
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:02] <rebel_lead3r> yep
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:02] <iClean[Corp|CEOut]> I saw the recent troubles with the Spartan protectorate cancellation.
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:02] <iClean[Corp|CEOut]> As such, we're going to take care of it for you being you're good members of our sphere and have fallen on some hard times.
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:02] <rebel_lead3r> this would be
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:02] <rebel_lead3r> a refreshing change to the politics i have noticed on cn
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:03] <rebel_lead3r> and we the foa would be extremly greatfull to you
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:03] <iClean[Corp|CEOut]> Meh, everyone deserves a break mate. You guys certainly have fallen on hard times, and we know that this won't help you any.
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:03] <iClean[Corp|CEOut]> Give me five minutes and I'll see what I can do for you.
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:05] <iClean[Corp|CEOut]> Alright. Still with me?
[01:06] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:05] <rebel_lead3r> yeah
[01:07] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:05] <iClean[Corp|CEOut]> The raid will last no longer than three days, most likely two tops.
[01:07] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> [01:06] <iClean[Corp|CEOut]> They were going to extend it, but I convinced them otherwise.
[01:07] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> lol
[01:07] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> nice
01[01:07] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> so too late
01[01:07] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> oh well
[01:07] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> i will follow up with PC tomorrow
01[01:07] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> hope they don't suck
[01:07] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> did he say anything else?
[01:07] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> Not yet, waiting on a response
01[01:09] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> ask them if they suck
01[01:10] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> because if they suck I don't want them
[01:10] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> :-p
[01:12] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> Kev_McD[Corp|Chair],
[01:12] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> My question is
[01:12] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> How can we turn the convo into merge with us
[01:12] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> well, there are a couple ways
[01:12] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> but doing it tonight may scare them off
[01:12] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> but, something along the lines of
[01:13] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> "hey, seems liek you are going through some hard times"[01:13] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> "we would love to bring you guys into the corp fold"
[01:13] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> "we can offer you a community and security"
[01:13] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> "and are commited to building a strong yellow"
[01:13] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> something like that
[01:14] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> i may be able to come up with better when I don't have 30 ounces of scotch in me
01[01:14] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> do they know of us at all?
[01:14] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> yeah
[01:14] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> they tried to establish relations when we DoE'd
01[01:15] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> ah
[01:15] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> I think we ignored them
01[01:15] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> lol
[01:15] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> indeed
01[01:15] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> well you could tell them we're helping them for betterment of yellow
01[01:15] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> and allude to the time we protected OO
01[01:15] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> even though we don't particularly care for them
[01:15] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> I !@#$@#$ hate them, in fact.
01[01:17] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> and we protected them anyway because we <3 yellow so much
01[01:17] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> or something
01[01:17] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> I think we should wait til peace is granted before we talk about merging
01[01:18] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> it seems very transparent to me
01[01:18] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> If I were them I'd see your true motives for helping me from a mile aways
06[01:19] * &iClean[Corp|CEOut] shrugs.
01[01:19] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> just my advice
01[01:19] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> take it or leave it
[01:21] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> That's how I was going to do it anyway
[01:21] <&iClean[Corp|CEOut]> lol
01[01:28] <&Legendoftheskies[Corp]> well ok then[/quote]


So yeah. We did it. Corp orchestrated the whole thing just so some !@#$%* yellow micro would merge into us and it ended up causing an enormous !@#$-fest. On behalf of everyone who used to be in Corp I would like to say we are deeply sorr-bahahaha hell no we're not sorry at all because that huge cluster$%&@ of a war WAS AWESOME.

In the end we even got what we were after. FoA eventually merged into Corp when they changed their name: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=89758

And all it took was a nuclear holocaust.


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Long live Corp!

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Yea I beleive this has been known for a while. Actually, I think a GATOan who was ex-FOA that visits the OWF ever so often, Darthcyfe, was who told me. He may have told people in public too, but people think his trolling is so bad that they all likely ignored it.

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I'll admit it, I'm in awe. I've always wondered if you could do something similar by having several actives from alliance A join alliance B that is a small democratic micro, and then through democracy make it merge with alliance A. :ph34r:

PS. I want to see the logs where Kev convinced them to merge.

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[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1307842345' post='2729491']
Yea I beleive this has been known for a while. Actually, I think a GATOan who was ex-FOA that visits the OWF ever so often, Darthcyfe, was who told me. He may have told people in public too, but people think his trolling is so bad that they all likely ignored it.
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Yes. It's amazing how much Cyfe could get accomplished if he acted like a rational human being instead of like, you know... a tool.


[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1307843150' post='2729497']
I'll admit it, I'm in awe. I've always wondered if you could do something similar by having several actives from alliance A join alliance B that is a small democratic micro, and then through democracy make it merge with alliance A. :ph34r:

PS. I want to see the logs where Kev convinced them to merge.
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It wasn't easy to convince them. iClean and I spent a lot of time talking to them over IRC, forums, and other off-world communication devices. I'll see what I can dig up though, and if so, query something to you.

Edit: And I will just say this, while it was planned in advance, by the time we got around to getting FoA to merge, I sincerely believe it was the best thing for them. The logs in this thread aside, we gave the very few active members of FoA a chance to do something, and the inactive members a more secure home. I don't say this to save face, as I really don't think I have to.

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[quote name='LegendoftheSkies' timestamp='1307830481' post='2729417']
[01:02] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> after a couple days of war
[01:02] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> PC will peace out
[01:02] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> then we tell FoA it was because we brokered it
[01:02] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> then they merge with us
[01:02] <~Kev_McD[Corp|Chair]> perfect plan is perfect
[/quote]
Horrible plan is horrible would be a better description, now that everyone knows about it even more so.

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[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1307872749' post='2729749']
Horrible plan is horrible would be a better description, now that everyone knows about it even more so.
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Oh yes... what a horrible plan. That we executed to completion. Like 2 years ago. Get a clue, Methrage.

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[quote name='Kevin McDonald' timestamp='1307873634' post='2729754']
Oh yes... what a horrible plan. That we executed to completion. Like 2 years ago. Get a clue, Methrage.
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Building relationships based on having potential recruits brought in by conspiring to get them attacked, then hoping they never find out seemed to of worked perfectly for you guys. If you think your alliance disbanding is the perfect outcome.

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[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1307874406' post='2729757']
Building relationships based on having potential recruits brought in by conspiring to get them attacked, then hoping they never find out seemed to of worked perfectly for you guys. If you think your alliance disbanding is the perfect outcome.
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Um... k. Our alliance merging (not disbanding) into GOD had nothing to do with FoA merging into us months after we saved them from a raid. It had to do with myself and iClean becoming unfortunately preoccupied with an off-world disease this planet knows all too well and deciding that we would rather donate our efforts to a stalwart ally then see it crumble into nothingness. But yes, continue to use this humorous and historical thread for your own promotion. I'd expect nothing less.

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[quote name='Kevin McDonald' timestamp='1307873634' post='2729754']
Oh yes... what a horrible plan. That we executed to completion. Like 2 years ago.
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The fact that the war the whole thing caused resulted in TOP getting rolled was also an unexpected bonus since few of us were TOP fans.

All in all I'd say it went pretty well.

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[quote name='Kevin McDonald' timestamp='1307874704' post='2729759']
Um... k. Our alliance merging (not disbanding) into GOD had nothing to do with FoA merging into us months after we saved them from a raid. It had to do with myself and iClean becoming unfortunately preoccupied with an off-world disease this planet knows all too well and deciding that we would rather donate our efforts to a stalwart ally then see it crumble into nothingness. But yes, continue to use this humorous and historical thread for your own promotion. I'd expect nothing less.
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You call it a humorous and historical thread, but I see what looks like words you spoke when assuming they would stay private, although now someone thought it was worth showing everyone to make them think differently. If you still stand by everything you said there and think of it as a perfect plan you're proud to of accomplished, then good for you. Although considering there isn't really anything worth discussing in the logs, either people agree with what was decided there or not, there really is no discussion to be had. I'm not sure what you mean by making the accusation I'm using this thread for self promotion by stating my opinion and you'd expect nothing less from me. This is a discussion board, so I gave my opinion even if its different from your own. Its nothing personal against you, but I would of thought the same of the plan had their been another name saying it.

It was 2 years ago, so none of what happened in those logs matter anymore. Although trying to make it out like I have ulterior motives for giving an opinion other than complete agreement with you doesn't make me think of you anymore trustworthy than you were portrayed in those logs. I'll stop posting in here since what you said or did then doesn't have any importance to me, but that doesn't make you right in any of your accusations or assumptions.

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[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1307908007' post='2730006']
You call it a humorous and historical thread, but I see what looks like words you spoke when assuming they would stay private, although now someone thought it was worth showing everyone to make them think differently. If you still stand by everything you said there and think of it as a perfect plan you're proud to of accomplished, then good for you. Although considering there isn't really anything worth discussing in the logs, either people agree with what was decided there or not, there really is no discussion to be had. I'm not sure what you mean by making the accusation I'm using this thread for self promotion by stating my opinion and you'd expect nothing less from me. This is a discussion board, so I gave my opinion even if its different from your own. Its nothing personal against you, but I would of thought the same of the plan had their been another name saying it.

It was 2 years ago, so none of what happened in those logs matter anymore. Although trying to make it out like I have ulterior motives for giving an opinion other than complete agreement with you doesn't make me think of you anymore trustworthy than you were portrayed in those logs. I'll stop posting in here since what you said or did then doesn't have any importance to me, but that doesn't make you right in any of your accusations or assumptions.
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You said it was a horrible plan. I stated that it worked, so it must not have been that horrible. Then you said one thing, and I said another, and really... aren't we all just tired?

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God, I'm tired of people who spent the majority of their government terms inactive logdumping me after the fact. While I'd love to tell you that my reign of leadership throughout my CN career was influential and incredible, it wasn't. I'm not sure where in those logs you saw me convince AlmightyGrub to go to \m/'s IRC and act like a jackass and subsequently get called out on it (which sparked the feelings of butthurt that actually caused the war), in fact I'm pretty sure you won't find it anywhere. Mostly because I can't stand Polaris nor 99% of their members including the former Emperor.

Again, I don't really mind all that much when people attribute me to be more than just an aging player with a temper but saying I managed to spark whatever that war was called is even more absurd than saying Polaris started it to help FoA.

This thread isn't even interesting. I'm sure you could have at least dug up me pissed off, calling several alliance leaders choice words and ranting about wanting to destroy their alliances and nations.

All this thread was is an obnoxious reminder of the fact that I haven't managed to quit yet and I'm surrounded almost entirely by idiots.

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