Hyperion321 Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) I took a day to do some stat comparisons for 5 of the most notable power centers on the treaty web. I'll be updating it as regularly as possible, but considering it took me almost all day to do 5 blocs, it might only be a once a month kind of thing. I will also be adding a few extra blocs whenever I get time tomorrow, most notably AZTEC, Synergy, as well as the more well known defacto and unofficial power centers, such as the NoR-Viking power cluster and pillowfort (official or not, they are still power centers in my opinion). So, anyway, here is the first edition of the Power Center Comparison sheet for June 2011. [IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/2pow2te.jpg[/IMG] Edited June 6, 2011 by Hyperion321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) Nevermind, you fixed it. Neato! Edited June 6, 2011 by Hereno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Interesting grouping, although CnG and DH/PB are pretty much the same power center still I think, atlhough Dos Equis are still more likely to go with SF in a choice between the two, so who Duckroll would side with if the two were to ever fight is what would determine if a fight would be worthwhile for either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Velox Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Ok I've been underestimating the ODN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1307346577' post='2725256'] Interesting grouping, although CnG and DH/PB are pretty much the same power center still I think, atlhough Dos Equis are still more likely to go with SF in a choice between the two, so who Duckroll would side with if the two were to ever fight is what would determine if a fight would be worthwhile for either. [/quote] Neutrality would also be an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomzoomzoom Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Infra difference between XX and PB is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natan Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Its all about the upper tier baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denial Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Superior upper tier, tech levels, and Wonders, even after a protracted war. I'll take that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 [quote name='Denial' timestamp='1307367650' post='2725354'] Superior upper tier, tech levels, and Wonders, even after a protracted [s]war[/s] curbstomp. I'll take that. [/quote] Fixed for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Denial' timestamp='1307367650' post='2725354'] Superior upper tier, tech levels, and Wonders, even after a protracted war. I'll take that. [/quote] We're not [i]that[/i] far behind tbh. Also, the average NS is skewed so hard from both Umb and GOONS. It's hilarious Edited June 6, 2011 by Hyperion321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 [quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1307364818' post='2725339'] Infra difference between XX and PB is hilarious. [/quote] 38% more ns and 62% more infra for XX but only 15% more tech. The nuke gap will probably close as GOONS rebuilds too. [quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1307369900' post='725382'] We're not [i]that[/i] far behind tbh. Also, the average NS is skewed so hard from both Umb and GOONS. It's hilarious [/quote] The standard deviation on our side is probably hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Boris Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 I love how if you factor GOONS out of the math for PB/DH, their average NS goes from under 29k to around 36k. Definitely a tough bloc to get a good stats analysis from since you've got both extremes so well represented in it. Overall though, I think the wonder comparison as well as the percentages of nations above a certain NS does tell you the one real statistical truth you need to know. PB/DH has a much more developed upper tier. If you split both GOONS and Umbrella out, though, then I suspect the math shakes up quite a bit, and probably not in PB's favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall Jaxon Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Good stat sheets, though I prefer adding up stats by sphere of influence rather than by specific blocs. For example, PB/DH in this sheet excludes TOP, which makes a major statistical difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 [quote name='Stonewall Jaxon' timestamp='1307380923' post='2725469'] Good stat sheets, though I prefer adding up stats by sphere of influence rather than by specific blocs. For example, PB/DH in this sheet excludes TOP, which makes a major statistical difference. [/quote] Do you put TOP with PB/DH or with Duckroll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KagetheSecond Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1307381539' post='2725479'] Do you put TOP with PB/DH or with Duckroll? [/quote] Pillowfort gets their own breakdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 [quote name='KagetheSecond' timestamp='1307382213' post='2725488'] Pillowfort gets their own breakdown. [/quote] This. PF is definitely strong enough to be considered influential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='Lord Velox' timestamp='1307348317' post='2725268'] Ok I've been underestimating the ODN. [/quote] ODN is an often underestimated alliance. Of the mass member alliances, they are definitely among the most effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1307405013' post='2725771'] ODN is an often underestimated alliance. Of the mass member alliances, they are definitely among the most effective. [/quote] How to become an effective alliance: Suck up those in power and always chose the winner side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMuz Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1307346577' post='2725256'] Interesting grouping, although CnG and DH/PB are pretty much the same power center still I think, atlhough Dos Equis are still more likely to go with SF in a choice between the two, so who Duckroll would side with if the two were to ever fight is what would determine if a fight would be worthwhile for either. [/quote] All the power centers are closely linked with one another. But if say, FOK has some reason to declare war on ODN, you'll see PB and C&G firmly fighting on opposite sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1307411964' post='2725848'] How to become an effective alliance: Suck up those in power and always chose the winner side. :awesome: [/quote] Actually, flak_attack is quite right. ODN regularly beats out every other alliance for internal aid month after month; including money sent for tech deals and such. I know NpO and NPO both rank around 5 & 6 pretty continually, and a good deal of the other sanctioned alliances don't even make it. There's nothing unsubstantiated about saying they're one of the more effective mass member alliances. It's relative to their competition, but they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Curzon Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Cool stats, thanks Hyperion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerdge Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I love how Umbrella alone fields more 10k+ Tech nations than any bloc they're not into, and almost as many as all those blocs combined. ATM a "PB/DH vs everybody else" conflict is the only possible even conflict IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefjoe Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) [quote name='jerdge' timestamp='1307466841' post='2726174'] I love how Umbrella alone fields more 10k+ Tech nations than any bloc they're not into, and almost as many as all those blocs combined. ATM a "PB/DH vs everybody else" conflict is the only possible even conflict IMHO. [/quote]even GPA? Edited June 7, 2011 by chefjoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob Cake Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1307481039' post='2726340'] even GPA? [/quote] Neutral menace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerdge Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 [quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1307481039' post='2726340']even GPA? [/quote] Absolutely, they have more high end nations than the GPA. Mentioning the GPA in any of these comparisons is always quite a moot point as everybody and their pet can field way more NS, nukes, tech and high end nations than the GPA just by bringing in allies that are only 1 or 2 treaties "away" - while obviously the GPA is alone. Even in a completely imaginary 1 vs 1 scenario, Umbrella remains number one in war stats, against the GPA or anyone else; I don't think there can be much discussion about that. The GPA is also definitely not war-oriented and I believe she'd perform very poorly, relative to her raw stats (some/several individuals would of course do well, but that's entirely another discussion). The only visibile result you'd have with a conflict involving the GPA would probably be that a lot of semi-active players would delete, bringing their nations and their resources into nothingness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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