Monster Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 In TPF's case, staying in during Karma didn't alter the terms for NPO or affect the alliances on NPO since they only hit Avalanche to begin with and then it left them less prepared to defend themselves when they got attacked later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 I find it funny seeing the butthurt from some members of Polar tossing 0's and 1's our way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1304085792' post='2701919'] I find it funny seeing the butthurt from some members of Polar tossing 0's and 1's our way [/quote] Dont call butthurt over someone rating another alliance, such calls could be contagious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Wallace Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1304085792' post='2701919'] I find it funny seeing the butthurt from some members of Polar tossing 0's and 1's our way [/quote] Well you can't blame them. No one likes to lose. Also, I've been amused by the couple of posts where we get a low score qualified with a "at least they do stuff" comment. Doing stuff is fun Planet Bob. You should all be doing stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyster Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='Bill Wallace' timestamp='1304087214' post='2701936'] Well you can't blame them. No one likes to lose. Also, I've been amused by the couple of posts where we get a low score qualified with a "at least they do stuff" comment. Doing stuff is fun Planet Bob. You should all be doing stuff. [/quote] You'd have to consider that if you wouldn't do stuff, the grade would have been even lower probably in these cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 Actually, VE was probably rated higher last year because they hadn't started a controversial war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Apocalypse Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 @HellAngel: "Umbrella - 8, ex-citadel and generally competent and awesome. [b]Although I still dont quite get what their problem with us is.[/b]" I wasn't aware that we currently had a problem with you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 I am happy to see the New Sith Order is still fully achieving our objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1304090799' post='2701973'] @HellAngel: "Umbrella - 8, ex-citadel and generally competent and awesome. [b]Although I still dont quite get what their problem with us is.[/b]" I wasn't aware that we currently had a problem with you guys. [/quote] Probably not so much a problem as the fact that you dont know if you can trust us. At least thats the vibe i got, but if you wanna go deeper it might be better you come visit our forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='alyster' timestamp='1304083968' post='2701909'] TBH my bias about Umbrella is that you just bought up GOONS with 10 trillion (?) francos.[/quote] Let's just call it too much money...which makes GOONS asking for reparations in the current war rather amusing. I don't fault Umbrella for shelling it out however. I actually gave Umbrella a favorable rating (7 IIRC, too lazy to confirm on a Friday). Credit where credit is due and if you were running a medium-sized alliance, you'd want to have Umbrella's stats--or strive for them. If they get points deducted, it's mostly because their choice in treaty partners. They would do well to not repeat the mistakes that Gen[m]ay made. Food for thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) To many alliances I don't care about enough to bother rating, yet not enough I think would be worth rating. Edited April 29, 2011 by Methrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kremlin Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 I wish there was an average score list to look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='Antoine Roquentin' timestamp='1304082089' post='2701901'] Invicta - In this case, it's literally all about NPO. In the past, Invicta at least had CDT and Purple(even if it was ridiculued) as something independent going for it. I wouldn't have guessed they were so attached to NPO until Karma came around. [/quote] This would be because they [i]weren't[/i] so attached to NPO until Karma. It was their quick defense of NPO (contrary to the many who did or wanted to run away) that strengthened the relationship and allowed it to grow to the level it is today. It was a pretty average, even below average. relationship before then. That said, Invicta is still independent and claims to the contrary are laughable. So long as they maintain a non-chaining MDoAP they are independent (considering they had a chaining MDAP to UPN a while back, it would be more correct to say they were a slave to them than NPO). Just because they both happen to do things that each other often agree with and like each other a lot does not mean that one rules over the other. Unless, you know, being a good ally is now a bad thing. But the opinions of those without firsthand knowledge will always be hilarious. I mean, as Chief of Staff I personally signed a treaty with a former enemy of the NPO. They were naturally less than thrilled, but understanding and supportive. But no, NPO rules Invicta with an iron fist, and Invicta couldn't dream of doing anything that falls outside of Daddy Pacifica's whims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='Bill Wallace' timestamp='1304087214' post='2701936'] Well you can't blame them. No one likes to lose. Also, I've been amused by the couple of posts where we get a low score qualified with a "at least they do stuff" comment. Doing stuff is fun Planet Bob. You should all be doing stuff. [/quote] Following your logic, we should had given 0/1 to FOK/iFOK too and this isn't happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcturus Jefferson Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='alyster' timestamp='1304082429' post='2701902'] So anyone who dares to value friends and not power is in the wrong because of that [/quote] I imagine it has more to do with one's opinions of the friends in question. If you have terrible allies it is not a good thing to stick with them because of friendship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwish959 Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) [quote] Chestnut Accords: 2/10 — Color unity is an outdated concept for a treaty. Do away with it. Terra Cotta Pact: 2/10 — Color unity is an outdated concept for a treaty. Do away with it.[/quote] I never understood this line of thought. Because color unity is an outdated concept for a treaty we should do away with a strong grouping of friends? Edited April 29, 2011 by youwish959 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='youwish959' timestamp='1304107771' post='2702118'] I never understood this line of thought. Because color unity is an outdated concept for a treaty we should do away with a strong grouping of friends? [/quote] Yeah, far be it from me to agree with Youwish on anything, but I think Chestnuts evolved past team unity by now. Without TYR, Brain or USN it can't really fulfill it's original purpose [actual unity of all of Maroon] but it's also a piss poor reason to do away with it. People, alliances and treaties change; what matters is that you can still find purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarmatian Empire Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='Joe Kremlin' timestamp='1304104932' post='2702089'] I wish there was an average score list to look at. [/quote] The OP of wicked's alliance rating thread has a link to an avg. spreader...too lazy to get it myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMuz Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1304109477' post='2702135'] The OP of wicked's alliance rating thread has a link to an avg. spreader...too lazy to get it myself [/quote] https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ao8LX9Y0ZHL6dDZTbUpsc1picEVFRFFocjJJQ3Jwb3c&hl=en\ lazy buggers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Wallace Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1304105989' post='2702099'] Following your logic, we should had given 0/1 to FOK/iFOK too and this isn't happening. [/quote] Huh,who,what? What are you talking about? You're wearing me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaitlinK Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 (edited) [quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1304085792' post='2701919'] I find it funny seeing the butthurt from some members of Polar tossing 0's and 1's our way [/quote] Kettle, have you met Pot? Edited April 29, 2011 by KaitlinK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealthkill Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 R&R has fourth highest average and is supa close with two and three Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kremlin Posted April 29, 2011 Report Share Posted April 29, 2011 [quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1304109477' post='2702135'] The OP of wicked's alliance rating thread has a link to an avg. spreader...too lazy to get it myself [/quote] [quote name='MrMuz' timestamp='1304112286' post='2702158'] https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ao8LX9Y0ZHL6dDZTbUpsc1picEVFRFFocjJJQ3Jwb3c&hl=en\ lazy buggers [/quote] Thank you for rewarding my laziness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1304085792' post='2701919'] I find it funny seeing the butthurt from some members of Polar tossing 0's and 1's our way [/quote] Is it surprising that members of an alliance you attack don't like you? It'd be a valid point if the war was in ancient history, or if we were giving you low scores because of who said what in 2008, but I think disliking an alliance for attacking one's own alliance in a war that ended only a month and a half ago isn't exactly unreasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='KaitlinK' timestamp='1304114561' post='2702184'] Kettle, have you met Pot? [/quote] I don't recall what I gave Polar but I don't think it was extremely unfavorable. Just because they did a few questionable political moves, have members that openly don't like us, and royally screwed up, doesn't mean I think they're an objectively terrible alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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