Give Me Liberty ...

[Bull Run]

[color="#000080"][font="Courier New"][size="2"][i][b]Boston Federacy - April 26[/b][/i][/size][/font][/color]

[color="#0000FF"][font="Comic Sans MS"][size="2"][b] We the People, hope to secure America a future of union, prosperity, & freedom for all through peaceful and fair political process. May we breathe new life into the dream of a powerful Union for & of freedoms & the rights of its people & once again be the scourge of tyrants worldwide![/b][/size][/font][/color]

[b][font="Comic Sans MS"][color="#8B0000"]A new political party is beginning to sweep the stage of a reemerging American community who love liberty, place faith in personal freedoms, & respect the rights of all people. They believe their former Union to have been sold out in the name of self-interest under the guise of self-determination. Forcefully dismantled through annexation & false liberation. America has taken a step backwards, where masters replace Presidents, & Tyrants silence Patriots to carve out new lines into the defiled face of liberty. It is within the cracks of a former free power where the lies of progress have settled. A New Order rules over the the land where once all were free. Here. Now. The tools are set before us to rebuild the lost republic. Is this not still the home of the brave? [/color]

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By default the annexation of the U.S. the American Constitution has been made obsolete. We hope to reverse this fate. The founders of a free America would be entirely ashamed. And it is by their frame that the [color="#FF0000"]American Continental Party[/color] builds itself upon.[/b]


[font="Comic Sans MS"][b]We seek several points[to name a few]:[/font][/b][/font]


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[*][color="#0000FF"]Universal Liberties, Freedoms established & accepted throughout America[/color]
[*][color="#8B0000"]Amend & Prevent disputes amongst American States[/color]
[*][color="#0000FF"]Promote peaceful competition amongst American States[/color]
[*][color="#8B0000"]Non entanglement of Americans in foreign alliances[/color]
[*][color="#0000FF"]Non policing of sovereign nations save for lawful intervention of blatant human rights violations[/color]
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[b]
To American States: [color="#000080"][center]Be warned that allegiance to empire is being bought by land grants, political & military protection. New states considered free, born out of tyrannical empires, often remain still inclined to an indebted obedience to the iron fist that appears feeds them & tyrants remain unchallenged- empires artificially replacing republics. Break this cycle & America may again assume its place as a beacon of freedom. United.[/center][/color][/b]

[Sargun II]

The [b]American Continental Party[/b], the first political party founded in the Boston Federacy, was not particularly well-publicised by much of the media in the Federacy. This, of course, owes itself to the ongoing nuclear crisis and the Day One War, the brief fight with Maine in which the Federacy was the first nation to land ground troops and defeat the nuclear rogue state. While the American Continental Party was the first officially founded, the [b]Boston Liberal[/b] party is the largest and was filed shortly after the American Continental Party was formed. The [b]Bay Republican[/b] party is being formed but is not projected to be a major force.

President Kennedy stated that he welcomes any competition and diversity within the Federacy, but that he warns against such extremist language.

[PresidentDavid]

OOC: I have already RPed Ron Paul but eh

IC: The United States of The Islands is happy to see someone standing up for Liberty and Freedom.

[Aggressivenutmeg]

Is this message directed at all North American nations, or just those of the former United States?

Edited April 27, 2011 by Chernarussia

[jeff744]

While the CAS is interested in the proposals of this party but will not allow this party to run for election in the CAS unless it will further define the points beyond the broad and very open to interpretation ones that are currently stated.

[Bull Run]

[quote name='Chernarussia' timestamp='1303876884' post='2700157']
Is this message directed at all North American nations, or just those of the former United States?
[/quote]

Our message is directed to all North American nations. It is our hope that we may somehow reawaken - through the alluring veils of tyranny - a dormant, fractured America.


[quote name='jeff744' timestamp='1303879393' post='2700180']
While the CAS is interested in the proposals of this party but will not allow this party to run for election in the CAS unless it will further define the points beyond the broad and very open to interpretation ones that are currently stated.
[/quote]

Our points as stated through our initial announcement are admittedly vague. Is there specific questions you had?

[Aggressivenutmeg]

The American Continental Party will be allowed to promote their ideas in the Canada, however their are no political parties in Canada, but member would still be allowed to run for the Legislative Council. And of cause any Canadian citizen in the ACP will retain their right to vote in the Althing.

Edited April 27, 2011 by Chernarussia

[jeff744]

[b]Universal Liberties, Freedoms established & accepted throughout America[/b] -- What would these liberties be and how would they be decided? The people of the CAS choose to ban contraceptive and abortion, would this be against your standing?
[b]Non entanglement of Americans in foreign alliances[/b] -- What amount/significance of treaties would be defined as entanglement?
[b]Non policing of sovereign nations save for lawful intervention of blatant human rights violations[/b] -- What are human rights defined as? There are a great many versions of what are considered human rights.

[Bull Run]

[quote name='Chernarussia' timestamp='1303882310' post='2700212']
The American Continental Party will be allowed to promote their ideas in the Canada, however their are no political parties in Canada, but member would still be allowed to run for the Legislative Council.
[/quote]

We are extremely happy to see that there is hope for the future also from within Canada. More than the chance to take part in Canadian politics, the America Continental Party is enthused to know that Canada is still free from the grip of any tyranny & open minded to liberty & justice for all.


[quote name='jeff744' timestamp='1303882318' post='2700213']
[b]Universal Liberties, Freedoms established & accepted throughout America[/b] -- What would these liberties be and how would they be decided? The people of the CAS choose to ban contraceptive and abortion, would this be against your standing?
[b]Non entanglement of Americans in foreign alliances[/b] -- What amount/significance of treaties would be defined as entanglement?
[b]Non policing of sovereign nations save for lawful intervention of blatant human rights violations[/b] -- What are human rights defined as? There are a great many versions of what are considered human rights.
[/quote]

Actually, our hope was that American nations would cooperate in filling that in. Establishing together & maintaining through law how exactly these points would be fulfilled. Now, our party draws from the (former) United States Constitution & pays great heed to the cautions left by its founders. We say: No foreign alliances. Prosperous trade & good relations with all, will make America great- it is our belief that no size of war machine will ever achieve such.

[Bacharth]

In Cascadia, an American Continental Party was formed. However, in the recent elections, the only real support it received was from those in Central Oregon. Because the Continentals shared so many ideals with the Distopyan Party, most people chose to stay with the Distopyan party. This is because the majority of citizens were still very much Tahoan and because the Distopyan party was much larger, so the people felt better represented.

The Cascadian government, led by President Straden, posed these questions to the American Continental Party.

"In my knowledge as a History teacher, The United States of America has imploded twice. Once would be during the 19th century when the Confederacy defected, and the United States broke apart. The second would be the more recent one around the fall of the Tahoe Republic. My first question is: Why do you think it has failed twice? My second would be: How will you prevent a United America from falling apart again?"

[Michael McBride]

The American Continental Party would not be prohibited from forming in the Empire, though secretly the Empire placed any members on terrorist watch lists due to their stated desire of reforming the United States of America, thus dissolving the Empire.

[Bull Run]

[quote name='Vince Sixx' timestamp='1303891914' post='2700262']
In Cascadia, an American Continental Party was formed. However, in the recent elections, the only real support it received was from those in Central Oregon. Because the Continentals shared so many ideals with the Distopyan Party, most people chose to stay with the Distopyan party. This is because the majority of citizens were still very much Tahoan and because the Distopyan party was much larger, so the people felt better represented.

The Cascadian government, led by President Straden, posed these questions to the American Continental Party.

"In my knowledge as a History teacher, The United States of America has imploded twice. Once would be during the 19th century when the Confederacy defected, and the United States broke apart. The second would be the more recent one around the fall of the Tahoe Republic. My first question is: Why do you think it has failed twice? My second would be: How will you prevent a United America from falling apart again?"
[/quote]

We may refer to history for the answer to this question. The reasons for the "2nd Fall" were brought to light by a statement by the Virginia Governor at the time, Governor St.Clair. This brave patriot revealed the steep corruption- a virus, that was allowed to enter the union & was brought toe-to-toe with the laws of the still virtuous USA who fraught valiantly to see justice through. Its legacy may forever be plagued by its collapse, Southwestern states seceded from the former Tahoe Republic & came under the rule of a crook figure who managed to sell his cause to the US Congress who accepted the annexation of the southwest. Upon entering the Union, Nico Crooks ruled his states with an iron fist while Congress grappled with him to obey Constitutional law, at the same time bating Tahoe to war, now not only with him, but with the entire union that he swindled into it. Virginia issued a warning to the world & several remaining free states who were beginning to resent Union during the war with Tahoe:

[quote]This conflict is the culmination of a developing conspiracy to bring the continent to war and eliminate the nation that is Tahoe. Nico Crooks has succeeded in manufacturing a continental war, though has thus far failed to entangle the United States as of yet. The scars of our escape of conflict, however, are clear. As Mr. Crooks led the South Western states to admittance into the United States, he continued bating the Tahoeans to war that would of engulfed the whole of the Union. Failing in this, he has brought about his expulsion from the Union in a political "scorched earth" maneuver that has decimated the image of the United States. We have failed to thwart this manipulation to war, let not yourselves fail as well.[/quote]

From this point on the US would enter a decline the likes of which it had never seen, & should not have ever seen. Its image was blackened & smeared ion such a way that neighboring expansionists where able to justify a war that would place the final nail in the coffin of the young union. Its collapse was premature, unnecessary, & extremely sad in our eyes. A new union would educate itself well about the failures of past, as well the successes as well- a united America, the ultimate deterrent to foreign imperialists as well as a Republic of equal law & order including that American nations too, should not seek empire over foreigners.

We are attempting to reawaken this spirit of union behind Liberty & Freedom throughout America. This is what should rule North America, not empires.

[Michael McBride]

Considering the United States has fallen three times due to internal and external influences, and the Empire of Pravus Ingruo has heralded the longest reigns of peace and prosperity on the North American continent in quite some time, your facts should be checked, sir. The United States was weak, it was corrupt, and it has fallen. Three times is enough. The Empire has presided over the continent with a just and steady hand, including the land you now form in.

[Bull Run]

[quote name='Pravus Ingruo' timestamp='1303919394' post='2700382']
Considering the United States has fallen three times due to internal and external influences, and the Empire of Pravus Ingruo has heralded the longest reigns of peace and prosperity on the North American continent in quite some time, your facts should be checked, sir. The United States was weak, it was corrupt, and it has fallen. Three times is enough. The Empire has presided over the continent with a just and steady hand, including the land you now form in.
[/quote]

What other statement might be predicted from the infamous Empire who, itself helped bring down the Union for its own territorial gains. You understand how to raise, maintain, & launch an army- for this the world should applaud you, but you will never be the virtuous nation that this continent needs & more powerful than armies are the ideals of the US Constitution. They will outlast even you.

[Michael McBride]

[quote name='Bull Run' timestamp='1303920166' post='2700388']
What other statement might be predicted from the infamous Empire who, itself helped bring down the Union for its own territorial gains. You understand how to raise, maintain, & launch an army- for this the world should applaud you, but you will never be the virtuous nation that this continent needs & more powerful than armies are the ideals of the US Constitution. They will outlast even you.
[/quote]

Territorial gains? No. The United States could no longer provide the basic needs for her people, and was completely dysfunctional. This is fact, given what was found by liberating armies and how the nation simply ceased to fight or function very soon after liberation began.

You say the ideals of the US Constitution will outlast us? I think you need to pick up a history textbook. The United States has not been what she was since Tahoe seceded during the Civil War. She has tried to regain her former glory only to fall. The Constitution is an outdated, worn document that has fallen by the wayside of history. The men who wrote it were geniuses for their time, but that document is not relevant today, and it will never be relevant again.

Any attempt to subvert Imperial rule will be met with the harshest of punishments.

[Bull Run]

[quote name='Pravus Ingruo' timestamp='1303920656' post='2700393']
Territorial gains? No. The United States could no longer provide the basic needs for her people, and was completely dysfunctional. This is fact, given what was found by liberating armies and how the nation simply ceased to fight or function very soon after liberation began.

You say the ideals of the US Constitution will outlast us? I think you need to pick up a history textbook. The United States has not been what she was since Tahoe seceded during the Civil War. She has tried to regain her former glory only to fall. The Constitution is an outdated, worn document that has fallen by the wayside of history. The men who wrote it were geniuses for their time, but that document is not relevant today, and it will never be relevant again.

Any attempt to subvert Imperial rule will be met with the harshest of punishments.
[/quote]

It was predicted that any occupation of the United States that should outlaw its Constitution & really any mention of the Republic, would be under the guise of humanitarian intervention & liberation. The wolf in sheep's clothes was to be identified by these actions, including the annexation of conquered territories (once free states). This empire would strike when the Union was wounded & it was so from a regional war that should have never engulfed it.

The Constitution by the wayside? Why then is this party rising by the ideals of the Constitution. You are right it is completely irrelevant to the empire who seeks consolidation of power into its own hands & the destruction of a former protector of American liberties. While we are looking to history, see how imperialists have manipulated the fate of the American people, but here again arises an age old enemy to oligarchs- an enemy the imperialist thought they had destroyed with America several times over. The question why has the United States collapsed in the past? Because the Union had been the foremost protector of the rights of the people, their freedoms, in history & the strongest nation that repeatedly & throughout its history has opposed the imperialists scams. And you know, our Constitution is [b]the[/b] great danger to not only Empires, but through the entire New Order atmosphere that outlaws its creed. Remember the victory of 1776. Here it will be again.

Edited April 27, 2011 by Bull Run

[Michael McBride]

[quote name='Bull Run' timestamp='1303921746' post='2700407']
It was predicted that any occupation of the United States that should outlaw its Constitution & really any mention of the Republic, would be under the guise of humanitarian intervention & liberation. The wolf in sheep's clothes was to be identified by these actions, including the annexation of conquered territories (once free states). This empire would strike when the Union was wounded & it was so from a regional war that should have never engulfed it.

The Constitution by the wayside? Why then is this party rising by the ideals of the Constitution. You are right it is completely irrelevant to the empire who seeks consolidation of power into its own hands & the destruction of a former protector of American liberties. While we are looking to history, see how imperialists have manipulated the fate of the American people, but here again arises an age old enemy to oligarchs- an enemy the imperialist thought they had destroyed with America several times over. The question why has the United States collapsed in the past? Because the Union had been the foremost protector of the rights of the people, their freedoms, in history & the strongest nation that repeatedly & throughout its history has opposed the imperialists scams. And you know, our Constitution is [b]the[/b] great danger to not only Empires, but through the entire New Order atmosphere that outlaws its creed. Remember the victory of 1776. Here it will be again.
[/quote]

What outlawing of actions? We have no banned your party from setting up as a political entity in the Empire, nor have we ever banned mentions of the United States. I ask you to point to a way that we are less free than the United States was. Just one. We have freedom of the press, dare I say more so than the United States had, we have freedom of speech, we have elected officials who submit legislation. The Empire simply has a centralized form of government, one that is more effective and streamlined. It is what has allowed the Empire to survive crisis after crisis while others have fallen by the wayside. If the Legislature is not doing its job, they can be dismissed. If they pass legislation that is not good for the people of the Empire, it can be vetoed. I fail to see how these things are oppressive in any way.

We also ask you to point out these "once free states" that are no longer free.

Your Constitution is no danger to us, because we are not destroying the core values of the document. The document itself is irrelevant.

Finally, you say the United States failed because they upheld the rights of the people. I'll even quote you on it. "The question why has the United States collapsed in the past? Because the Union had been the foremost protector of the rights of the people, their freedoms, in history & the strongest nation that repeatedly & throughout its history has opposed the imperialists scams." You admit the United States was weak and could not hold onto its power. Power by the people, indeed. If the people supported the government so much, the United States would still be here.

Give it up. You have failed. Multiple times. The United States brought nothing but bloodshed and heartache to the North American continent. It will not be allowed to do so again.

[Bull Run]

[quote name='Pravus Ingruo' timestamp='1303922933' post='2700419']
What outlawing of actions? We have no banned your party from setting up as a political entity in the Empire, nor have we ever banned mentions of the United States. I ask you to point to a way that we are less free than the United States was. Just one. We have freedom of the press, dare I say more so than the United States had, we have freedom of speech, we have elected officials who submit legislation. The Empire simply has a centralized form of government, one that is more effective and streamlined. It is what has allowed the Empire to survive crisis after crisis while others have fallen by the wayside. If the Legislature is not doing its job, they can be dismissed. If they pass legislation that is not good for the people of the Empire, it can be vetoed. I fail to see how these things are oppressive in any way.

We also ask you to point out these "once free states" that are no longer free.

Your Constitution is no danger to us, because we are not destroying the core values of the document. The document itself is irrelevant.

Finally, you say the United States failed because they upheld the rights of the people. I'll even quote you on it. "The question why has the United States collapsed in the past? Because the Union had been the foremost protector of the rights of the people, their freedoms, in history & the strongest nation that repeatedly & throughout its history has opposed the imperialists scams." You admit the United States was weak and could not hold onto its power. Power by the people, indeed. If the people supported the government so much, the United States would still be here.

Give it up. You have failed. Multiple times. The United States brought nothing but bloodshed and heartache to the North American continent. It will not be allowed to do so again.
[/quote]

The United States fell to war, beginning with that struggle with the Tahoen states & ending by your very own invasion, as you say by "liberating armies".
Was it not your empire (the former militaristic, dictatorial regime of York) that declared upon attack of the wounded Union that your nation has a, "Manifest Destiny, one that stretches from York to Florida..." As ICBMS where fired at the nations capitol, decapitating the people's government while you refuted numerous global claims of imperialism, yet following occupation admitted to imperialism by promising the community that your Empire "shall no longer undertake wars of aggressive expansion for more land in the North American continent or anywhere else in the world." That was per the Dobbs Doctrine. Because of US standing against imperialism, imperialist forced its downfall.

In this case, the following statement was a blatant lie:
"There may be calls that this is an imperialistic move, meant only to gain more land. Anyone who has even the slightest recollection of history will know that this is not the case. Any nation led by myself has never been one after more land. We have been content to stay a small nation, however the cries of our brethren to our south have reached our ears, and we shall free them from a corrupt, ineffective, and weak government."

There is clear evidence, not limited to our party's rise, that the American people fought tooth & nail to save their weakened Republic from the grips of military empire. Here the American President stated defiantly counter the imperial propaganda channels that, "The American character, and the American dream, could never be disentangled, and ultimately the latter would go only as far as the former would take it. We are prepared to fight the good fight. May God bless us."

We are still fighting that battle.

[Michael McBride]

[quote name='Bull Run' timestamp='1303924931' post='2700429']
The United States fell to war, beginning with that struggle with the Tahoen states & ending by your very own invasion, as you say by "liberating armies".
Was it not your empire (the former militaristic, dictatorial regime of York) that declared upon attack of the wounded Union that your nation has a, "Manifest Destiny, one that stretches from York to Florida..." As ICBMS where fired at the nations capitol, decapitating the people's government while you refuted numerous global claims of imperialism, yet following occupation admitted to imperialism by promising the community that your Empire "shall no longer undertake wars of aggressive expansion for more land in the North American continent or anywhere else in the world." That was per the Dobbs Doctrine. Because of US standing against imperialism, imperialist forced its downfall.

In this case, the following statement was a blatant lie:
"There may be calls that this is an imperialistic move, meant only to gain more land. Anyone who has even the slightest recollection of history will know that this is not the case. Any nation led by myself has never been one after more land. We have been content to stay a small nation, however the cries of our brethren to our south have reached our ears, and we shall free them from a corrupt, ineffective, and weak government."

There is clear evidence, not limited to our party's rise, that the American people fought tooth & nail to save their weakened Republic from the grips of military empire. Here the American President stated defiantly counter the imperial propaganda channels that, "The American character, and the American dream, could never be disentangled, and ultimately the latter would go only as far as the former would take it. We are prepared to fight the good fight. May God bless us."

We are still fighting that battle.
[/quote]

The United States was dead long before the war of North American Freedom. We were simply the final nail in the coffin. To think otherwise is simply naive.

Also, you once again need to check your facts. York began as a Republic, and was that way for a long, long time. It became an Empire due to a legislature that would not perform the duties they were elected to do. The Republic of York was not a dictatorial, militaristic regime as you claim, but rather a beacon of how things should work in government, opposed to the United States, which was the dysfunctional family of republics that eventually ended up killing itself from the inside out.

And yes, this nation did have a Manifest Destiny, one to free all the people from York to Florida and establish a government that not only cared for their needs, but functioned properly. Conventional ballistic missiles were fired at legitimate military targets with the aim of taking out the country's command and control centers. I defy you to find a single nation that would not have done the same.

Further, we never admitted to imperialism. You need to learn the definition of imperialism. We did not subjugate a people. Simply acquiring land is not imperialism. The statement you quote is not a lie, and is in fact backed by facts and history, unlike many of your claims.

The "American people" did not fight tooth and nail to save their nation. Quite the contrary. Our troops were greeted as liberators, with open arms. The American President did not fight, but merely abandoned his people at the first sign of hardship. You are merely a group of disgruntled history buffs living in the past, without an eye towards the future. There is no fight. There is no struggle. Your pathetic attempts to manufacture one through revisionist history have failed before they even gained momentum.

[Bull Run]

[quote name='Pravus Ingruo' timestamp='1303925879' post='2700435']
The United States was dead long before the war of North American Freedom. We were simply the final nail in the coffin. To think otherwise is simply naive.

Also, you once again need to check your facts. York began as a Republic, and was that way for a long, long time. It became an Empire due to a legislature that would not perform the duties they were elected to do. The Republic of York was not a dictatorial, militaristic regime as you claim, but rather a beacon of how things should work in government, opposed to the United States, which was the dysfunctional family of republics that eventually ended up killing itself from the inside out.

And yes, this nation did have a Manifest Destiny, one to free all the people from York to Florida and establish a government that not only cared for their needs, but functioned properly. Conventional ballistic missiles were fired at legitimate military targets with the aim of taking out the country's command and control centers. I defy you to find a single nation that would not have done the same.

Further, we never admitted to imperialism. You need to learn the definition of imperialism. We did not subjugate a people. Simply acquiring land is not imperialism. The statement you quote is not a lie, and is in fact backed by facts and history, unlike many of your claims.

The "American people" did not fight tooth and nail to save their nation. Quite the contrary. Our troops were greeted as liberators, with open arms. The American President did not fight, but merely abandoned his people at the first sign of hardship. You are merely a group of disgruntled history buffs living in the past, without an eye towards the future. There is no fight. There is no struggle. Your pathetic attempts to manufacture one through revisionist history have failed before they even gained momentum.
[/quote]

We do not argue that York began as a honorable Republic, but following the events of the collapse of Atlantis, martial law was initiated over York after which not an hour later its President was quietly deposed & the Republic itself was replaced! In their place stood Emperor Sir Michael Harland and the seed of the New Order that was being bred to end the beacon of Liberty, the United States, as the Republic was shaken by regional unrest, & internal manipulation by forces of infiltration, i.e. Mr. Crooks. The Republic York became the Empire of York in a matter of minutes.

The US government was by no means dysfunctional. Issues over the Tahoen war, the illegal actions made surrounding the inclusion of Southwestern Tahoe into the Union, & bouncing back from the turmoil where all that you claim where sufficient evidence that the United States was inefficient, yet these issues are similar to any government, [u]especially[/u] those of North American nation, not only the US. And you killed these people! You bombed this elected, representative government while they where in office governing their nation- neither aggravating, nor threatening you Republic turned Empire, & always taking care of the American citizens first.

Oh, and acquiring land is too light a term for the actions of Pravus Ingruo. It was an aggressive war/ invasion of sovereign US soil & [u]conquest[/u] of land.

So how then could a Republic turned Empire through martial law, "liberate" another functioning Republic (despite the fact that is was clearly expansion- evidence we see even today) through preemptive & devastating war for a humanitarian cause? If you want history revised, tune into [b][i][u]The Imperial Times[/u][/i][/b].

America is reawakening to Liberty & the Constitution. Goodnight Conquest & Empire.

[Michael McBride]

Quietly deposed? Tom Dobbs stepped down because he had tired of politics. He left of his own volition, knowing exactly what was going to take place. Please, actually learn history before attempting to repackage it and sell it as something different.

[Bull Run]

[quote name='Pravus Ingruo' timestamp='1303927626' post='2700452']
Quietly deposed? Tom Dobbs stepped down because he had tired of politics. He left of his own volition, knowing exactly what was going to take place. Please, actually learn history before attempting to repackage it and sell it as something different.
[/quote]

And this justifies your abrupt end of Republic- yours and the US? Your assassination of US elected government officials is horrifying evidence against that weak excuse. Was it the will of the people? Your implementation of martial law says otherwise.

[Michael McBride]

[quote name='Bull Run' timestamp='1303928383' post='2700461']
And this justifies your abrupt end of Republic- yours and the US? Your assassination of US elected government officials is horrifying evidence against that weak excuse. Was it the will of the people? Your implementation of martial law says otherwise.
[/quote]

Assassination of US officials? None were killed. The United States claimed we struck Washington D.C. with a nuclear missile, which was simply not the case. The White House was the only building hit, and zero, I repeat, zero bodies were found in the rubble afterwards. Our attacks were symbolic. If we had managed to kill the President, it would have ended the war faster. We didn't, and in the end simply destroyed a symbol of the dysfunctional American government. As for the implementation of martial law, that was only in York and lifted very soon after. Martial law was never imposed on the liberated states. Again, your facts need checking.

[Bull Run]

[quote name='Pravus Ingruo' timestamp='1303928712' post='2700466']
Assassination of US officials? None were killed. The United States claimed we struck Washington D.C. with a nuclear missile, which was simply not the case. The White House was the only building hit, and zero, I repeat, zero bodies were found in the rubble afterwards. Our attacks were symbolic. If we had managed to kill the President, it would have ended the war faster. We didn't, and in the end simply destroyed a symbol of the dysfunctional American government. As for the implementation of martial law, that was only in York and lifted very soon after. Martial law was never imposed on the liberated states. Again, your facts need checking.
[/quote]

What you are doing is putting words into our statements that where never really there. It is our word against imperial media that the bombing of Washington D.C. before even a shot was fired at the York Empire, was malicious & again, preemptive. What we say is fact. Many of us alive during that time remember it clearly, & research into the history both Pravus & World history versions, backs up our statements.

We argue the government was by no means defective, tell us why you say it was, other than of course to justify the invasion. Martial law was placed on the York Republic while the Empire was ushered in. We never claimed Martial was placed on the conquered states- it wasn't necessary, it was already a [u]military occupation[/u].

[Michael McBride]

[quote name='Bull Run' timestamp='1303929220' post='2700476']
What you are doing is putting words into our statements that where never really there. It is our word against imperial media that the bombing of Washington D.C. before even a shot was fired at the York Empire, was malicious & again, preemptive. What we say is fact. Many of us alive during that time remember it clearly, & research into the history both Pravus & World history versions, backs up our statements.

We argue the government was by no means defective, tell us why you say it was, other than of course to justify the invasion. Martial law was placed on the York Republic while the Empire was ushered in. We never claimed Martial was placed on the conquered states- it wasn't necessary, it was already a [u]military occupation[/u].
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You are free to think what you like. World history backs our version of events, not yours. Yours is the revisionist history.

The evidence that the government was defective comes in many forms: the evidence seen by our forces as they liberated the states from the government, the state the people were living in, the way our soldiers were greeted by the civilian population, the way a General spoke for a "Republic" for weeks, the way the President fled his country and his people, the way the military assigned to protect those people not only failed to do so but simply stopped fighting and fled... the list goes on and on.