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  1. FORMAL NOTIFICATION OF INTENT TO POST RECOGNITION OF STRONG EMOTIONS The Goon Order of Oppression, Negligence and Sadism, ("GOONS") hereby offers a formal notification to Mathrage and whatever his Micro is called that we intent to post a formal recognition of strong emotions reflecting his hilarious nature. We can probably find a formal CB, but his alliance does not count as a valid, real one according to longstanding GOONS policy and promised oral sexual satisfaction ("BJ") from the leader of Los Pollos Hermanos ("LPH") GOONS is now going to be very angry with Mathrage and open his alliance up to permanent raiding for all GOONS members.
  2. Declaration of Existence, Disbandment, and Rebranding Many moons ago, the alliances of UCN, FEAR and Wolfpack came together to form an MDAP bloc, Blood for Friends. BFF continued through much difficulty, including the disturbing disbandment of UCN and reform into Europa. NEW was added to the bloc, and a while later, FEAR, Wolfpack and Europa merged into the new alliance of BFF. Unfortunately, some things aren't meant to be. BFF exploded rather dramatically, and while some stayed on to try to keep her alive, it simply was done. Today we declare our intent to rebrand Blood for Friends as Los Pollos Hermanos, a sleeker, slicker, more laid-back version of our former home. Escaping the bad name of BFF is part of that process, and as such we have chosen our new image. At this time, our charter is forthcoming. We are currently operating under an interim triumvirate which as as follows: Triumvirate: Ernesto Che Guevara, Kongo Jack, Emperador Del Oeste (Chax, Deebo, Minister of Silly Walks) We are protecting the BFF AA until further notice. The Goon Order of Oppression, Negligence and Sadism is protecting Los Pollos Hermanos for a period which they will specify in this thread while we reevaluate our ties. We will not pretend this will be smooth or easy, but we cannot simply sit by and watch our community go the way of so many before. If this is to be our final throw before we all punch out, then so be it. For the final time, o/ BFF. You had a good run. Forums: http://w11.zetaboards.com/Los_Pollos_Hermanos/index/ IRC: #breakfast on Coldfront And so ends the least enthusiastic DoE ever. Apathy is our main export. And meth.
  3. About two months ago, Methrage posed a question on these forums about Artificial Intelligence. I tried to get a good discussion going, but it didn't work out well. Recently I ran into almost his same argument in other places a lot over the last few days (irc, a philosophy forum, and a book). So I decided it was needed to try and set the internets straight on why scaling up in AI does not produce consciousness. I'm going to use Methrage's post as an example (and hopefully he'll respond), but it doesn't mean his idea is poor. It was an intelligent question, and interesting. Let's start by examining consciousness. If we produced a super-computer who could think faster than us, reason better than us, and contained more knowledge than us it would be consciousness right? In order to answer this question, I'm going to call upon a thought experiment. Imagine for a moment that you were born deaf. To make matters worse, your parents sell you to a scientist in a third world country in order for him to do experiments. The scientist in order to insure you hear no sound puts you in a sound proof room. He then gives you all knowledge on hearing and sound. You read all the information grasp it, and understand it. Still you don't hear, you do not experience sound.. The scientist then develops a way to increase your IQ by thousands. You now know more about all sorts of things, including everything about human hearing and sound, and reason better than even the scientist himself. Still you have not heard sound. Now the scientist develops a choclear implant, and implants you with it, and for the first time......you hear his voice. You experience sound. You can very easily see the paralells between our subject and a robot. Even if the AI is given all the information in the world, if he does not have consciousness then he won't spontanouesly develop it. Consciousness is not something that can be produced by knowledge or reason. There are several theories on how, what, and even if it is produced; but one thing we can say for sure is you can not reason yourself into consciousness. Now to take on Methrage's claim: So let's take this on. First we have to ask "what is self awareness". Does self-awareness imply consciousness? Of course it does. In order to reflect on the self you read something to be able to do the reflecting. In fact, consciousness is often described as "awareness". So according to our above example, Methrage and anyone in support of a "scaling up" argument is wrong. In order for a computer to be "self-aware" it must be able to reflect upon istelf. In order to it to reflect upon itself it must recognize itself as seperate from nature. In order to recognize itself as seperate from nature, it must have consciousness. tl;dr Knowledge and reasoning does not imply consciousness. You must be conscious in order to be self aware. Methrage and all "scaling up" ideas are wrong.
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