Tito716

Is this a new war? A new front? A new side? How long until Polar declares war on one OR both of them?

[quote name='Poyplemonkeys' date='08 February 2010 - 06:34 AM' timestamp='1265632487' post='2168603'] The moral objection is written into The Nexus treaty which predates this war going nuclear by a long way. I'm not really interested in getting into an analogy war as they irritate the hell out of me, I shouldn't have bothered analogising in the first place. Either way, realistic expectations or not, if you go against the moral code of an alliance you will most likely end up surrendering to, then it's entirely your fault when/if they force you to deal with the consequences for those actions. [/quote] I have been done with the war since before you entered it. Come to think of it, the war was nuclear before you entered it. I rather doubt TORN is concerned about your consequences. I suspect that if you brought a knife to a gun fight, you'd be outraged when you got shot.

[quote name='Poyplemonkeys' date='08 February 2010 - 06:20 AM' timestamp='1265631645' post='2168593'] If you wish to surrender you do not have a choice. 57th made their stance clear, it's not about saving their lower nations some damage, it's about a moral objection to the first striking and nuclear attacks on non-capable nations. [OOC: Need I remind you this is an IC forum, it's quite easy to imagine a nation ruler objecting to first strike nuclear attacks, or the equivalent of Iraq nuking Liechtenstein] [/quote] A moral objection that is being conveniently emphasized only AFTER you started eating nukes. [OOC: Interesting comparison, but lets frame it correctly. Instead of Iraq, lets use North Korea. Let's assume that North Korea declared war on South Korea. The USA, England, France, Germany, Italy, etc etc etc then declared war on North Korea. North Korea starts nuking everyone it is at war with. Then, Singapore declares war on North Korea, is it realistic to expect North Korea to NOT nuke them?]

[quote name='jerry wagner' date='04 February 2010 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1265320994' post='2159463'] [b][color=#ff00ff]Nuclear attacks, including attempts to spy away nuclear weapons, whether such attempts succeed or not, will be responded to with nuclear force by ALL nuclear capable nations. The no first strike doctrine of the Nexus Agreement remains in effect. If the war we enter is nuclear, then we accept that nuclear activities are occurring and will partake.[/color][/b] [/quote] That was your DoW. TORN took you up on your offer to partake. All that's left is for Nexus to accept it (like you said you would).

[quote name='Veneke' date='08 February 2010 - 04:29 AM' timestamp='1265624952' post='2168539'] Nuking non-nuclear capable nations is abhorrent. Have a look at the 57th Charter, we don't use nuclear weapons on non-nuclear opponents, nor do we initiate nuclear hostilities. This is our perspective. Don't expect it to change. TORN wants to ride the big green wagon all the way down to 5k NS, and start nuking people who can't return the favour, I consider that in poor form. We'll deal with you folk after the war. [/quote] The definition of poor form: Attacking nations with nukes and whining when they use them. That's right. [b]YOU[/b] attacked them. They didn't attack you. You paid for the ticket. Enjoy the ride.

Makes me glad I was fighting on the real front and not off in some backwater...

I think I was actually the largest nation that surrendered. I was like 80k when I left TORN. 65k today with next to no military. Morale had nothing to do with my decision. As far as I know, TORN still has high morale. I just personally couldn't justify suiciding against people that I don't hate.

[quote name='Buds The Man' date='30 January 2010 - 11:46 PM' timestamp='1264916798' post='2146818'] Then you damn sure shouldnt watch it burn as they were hung out to dry by Polar. Good to see you had so much love for TORN and her members to surrender on day two. Sorry man I dont buy it. Cuddle up with your infra and sit by the bridge you just burned as it will be the only thing that will bring light to your sorry excuse of a charecter. Enjoy it I hope down the line you get the same treatment. [/quote] Thank God! I was just thinking I needed more rhetoric. I do like your logic, though. Polar stabbed TORN in the back so TORN nations should do their duty and fight and die against OBR (along with MK, LOST, ODN, et all).

[quote name='Lord Boris' date='30 January 2010 - 11:14 PM' timestamp='1264914843' post='2146697'] And you're in a PoW camp before individual surrender terms could even be tossed out there A real trailblazer right thar. [/quote] Well... Based up the responses I has received on IRC, the trail I blazed will more closely resemble footprints in the early hours of a snowstorm than it will the Cumberland Gap.

[quote name='Seth Muscarella' date='30 January 2010 - 10:57 PM' timestamp='1264913868' post='2146651'] It's never fun to have to choose between friends to defend, and I respect the way you entered this conflict. [/quote] You should try choosing between your friends (and their suicide pact) and common sense. I was in TORN before TORN had a name.

Understanding and by the good graces of the Black Rose, I Tito716 do hereby unconditionally surrender to the forces of The Order of the Black Rose. I shall immediately withdraw from the field of battle, neither to return nor to offer aid, of any kind, for the duration of the current conflict. I have negotiated with The Order of the Black Rose in good faith and will hold true to the specific conditions of my surrender.

o/ bigwoody thank you.

Hey YOU! Yes, you. Come check us out. Just meeting Bigwoody makes coming to check us out worth it. 100% srs

I, Tito716, ruler of Haiti, hereby resign from \m/ and the current conflict which that alliance is engaged in. I also suppose my resignation is to Legion. Thanks