ChileRelleno

Congrats & have a blast! If you do your first and like it, go through a entire training course and become a actual skydiver. I've over 600 jumps and am a master rated skydiver, USPA D#24868. Then you can have fun on levels most people don't even dream about.

Read section #4, the attacked AA would have a valid CB for warring with STA... But, you still risk a very grumpy polar bear.

FAN, while I admit to drawing my own meanie face on your Kwanzaa card... You guys were the best opponent I've ever encountered, tenacious, stubborn, good natured and willing to fight! When other Pacificans belittled you, I stood up and said exactly the above and expressed respect for you. I even joined you for awhile on the moon. FAN, nice thread. In response to this thread and your awesome Gun Pron, I give you mutual reciprocation... MORE PRON! And, just for good measure... Some Skydiving Pron

I strive to see the other side... In order to understand or debate something/someone, one must try to know either side as well as the other.I would simply wait until the alert level fell to one more appropriate in which to tender my resignation. Just as some I know have done, they were ready to leave, the flag went up, and they simply said, "Guess I'm not leaving till this blows over." They have respect, integrity and discipline.

OHNOES!... Dont rap me knuckles wid da ruler agin teacha... Ooooowwwie! Weze has us'a English teacha in our midst

I publicly, within our forums, inquired just that, incredulous that it warranted such. But while I may pose questions and disagree sometimes, I follow the letter/spirit of the Order's traditions. As I said before, "...in my black and white view...." As for all the cowpies about how Pacificans voices/thoughts are stifled, shoot, I speak my mind regularly and my comrades know that no one will change my mind once set without some dagblasted good reasoning.

Irregardless of the overall situation, the Open Warfare sign was lit... I make no allowances.They deserted during a time of Open Warfare, nit pick it all you wish... Have fun.

Nails the nail on the head This IS entertainment!

Has no concept, nor wishes to have any concept of the differing stages between Pax Pacifica and Open Warfare in the NPO.We are not always in one particular stage, even when there are various ongoing conflicts with various nations/alliances. Had they left in one of the lesser, I would have either wished them well, or told'em not to let the door hit'em in the buttocks.

Theoretically correct... At least in my black and white view of the Order.

The 'Open Warfare' tag will come down way before 'months' pass, and then the ever present reality of perpetual warfare in a lesser status will allow us to continue in our day to day affairs (such as resignations from the Order) without such hateful warmongers as myself calling for the blood of deserters

I never said that Ivan poses a threat, my comment was in jest of the quoted material which I was making a joke of. I do not fell threatened by Ivan, nor the NSO, could care less at this point. At this point in time I harbor no ill will towards Ivan, and even have rethought my hostile kneejerk reactions to his and ES's coup. I definitely do harbor ill will towards those I feel deserted their comrades/alliance, regardless of the intensity of the aggression.

No, if they left in something other than State or Alert or Open Warfare, then I personally give'em a pass, care less really.But even something this small has the possibility, however small, to escalate, and hence, no one should be deserting their post. Simply wait a few days/week, whatever and then leave with a semblance of respect to your comrades and the alliance to which you swore your allegiance. Common sense, respect and integrity.

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All o/ my debut appearance in TWiP! o/ NPO! 1. Screen shots (of log) are good. 2. Screen shot (of log) is new/fresh. 3. Names in logs look to be spelled properly. 4. Rank?... Is that a foul smell? 5. Schatterman is not irrevelant, he is entertaining. 6. Ivan Moldavi has the ability to pose a threat. 7. Represents my and more than a few other Pacificans general attitude toward deserters... I'm not a abnomaly, I'm a... I'm many things, too many to bother typing them all out. 8. o/ NPO! (thats twice) 9. Not pointless, those logs served up much hilarity.