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Good people sometimes do bad things. Bad people sometimes do good things. People here get pretty hung up on labelling alliances over which ever actions they like to highlight that suits the narrative. Raiding is evil, Doom Raid so Doom are evil. Protecting a down trodden alliance is good. Doom protect SNX so Doom are good. If you think about what I wrote here it all makes sense. TOP was a fabulous treaty for Polaris and I'll always be glad I signed it. From the start it was built on honesty and it stayed that way until the end. It wasn't about anyone ignoring or forgetting the past, or about compromising morals. There was never a day when TOP asked Polaris to do anything I could regard as wrong and so neither Polaris nor TOP ever compromised their ideals or beliefs to work together. Move forward with the same logic and while not all Polars will agree with me, I could very much see Polaris one day holding a treaty with Doom Squad, NPO or even DBDC for that matter. To me it's not about who you support, but what. If a treaty is based on honesty and mutual goals it will do just fine.

Look around and you'll find nowhere I have criticized Tywin or SNX for their decision and nowhere I have called the Doom factions evil. More significantly, you'll find no comment at all on it from Polaris Government. AlmightyGrub and myself get along really well and work together brilliantly. We also frequently disagree with each other and neither of us are Polar Government ;)

It wont cause I nicked his stamp along with his Cognac when he wasn't looking. Deal with it.

Branimir I shared my thoughts and opinions which are based on fact with the community. It's people not doing this, and keeping the politics hidden in the backrooms for only 1% to participate in that makes the world boring. If you wish to refute my opinion on what's happening I suggest you make a post with some substance, laying out where you see the power on Bob as being right now and how you see it playing out. This business of trying to state it's not true and offering no alternate opinions or explanations is a cowards way of discussing a topic. TLDR: Nut up or shut up.

This is solid logic that I can't dispute!

Simply through the need for Bob to have a war and the placements on the treaty web. Not many wars are for real reasons these days and not many alliances have true enemies. What could possibly go wrong...

I'll take back the clueless then :D The rest stands though!

I love a good bite from a clueless person :D The factions in the hegemony who do NOT like you are very real. You wish they didn't exist and you hate that I wont name them, but it doesn't change it. It's better for them if you don't believe me. NPO dominance is something you should be proud of, not denying. It is a direct result of hard work by your leaders and diplomats. No where have I said it's a bad thing or that evil NPO is out to roll anybody. What you need understand Stanger is I know very well what it takes to fit into a coalition and the discipline required. I also know how the effort required to keep alternate desires in check by members of any coalition increases over time. Ally A hates ally B and they put that aside for a while for the greater good. A while though does not equal forever and then the fun starts. Finally Stanger, don't be too fast assuming Polaris will be on the opposite side as yourselves when it all happens. I know who I talk to and who we'll likely end up friends with, but not for one minute do I pretend to know where they'll all fall in the big picture..

Being retired is both fascinating and frustrating. Once you go out to pasture people are more comfortable to share info with you. At the same time, you have the info and have lost the ability to really use it! Without ratting people out though or betraying the confidence of those who have told me stuff, planet Bob is getting seriously interesting. Right now there are more alliances playing the ‘long’ game than I have ever seen before! Ironic given the state of decline our population is in and the pessimism many of us feel for the future. Far and wide there is open and honest acceptance that the ruling coalition is too big, and cant last long term. Within that coalition there are multiple factions. Pacifica heads the list as ruling the largest of these and as the central lynch pin. No one in the hegemony can do anything without Pacifica signing off on it. I’ve seen people suggest that Pacifica is lining up DBDC for later. It’s a load of bunkem. Pacifica has no reason or desire to tangle with DBDC. DBDC are like the rest of the alliances in the blob who can’t move without NPO’s ok and while individually huge, collectively are far too small to be a danger. The other factions I won’t name, I’m not going to be accused of trying to drive a wedge. They exist though and they are the reason this world is getting interesting. Several of them have talked to me and they are all in the same boat, trying to tow the line now while preparing for the future. The common belief is straight forward, Polar and/or MI6 can be hit once, maybe even twice to stave off the collapse and buy time but then the coalition splits. This is where it gets interesting. People are trying to find a place where they can support a war and play their part while being in a position post war to buddy up with some of the alliances they will be hitting. How do you attack the people you will need and not pay for it later? It’s frustrating for me waiting for the first phase of this to be over. I’m guessing it’s equally as frustrating for MI6. It’s also fascinating talking to alliances and seeing who is laying the ground work for post war already. They tell me upfront they can’t rock the boat right now and they are right, being the one to split the coalition now would be a violent and bloody death! For now I say “Carry on”. Eatemup will get to play ‘King Maker’ soon and I’m enjoying the ride!

It's a baron world these days but you still have class leaders!

Congrats to our allies Fark and friends at NSO. It's amazing the changes that happen over time!

I'd have bet(and lost) money this already existed! Congratulations to both of you.

I like this a lot. Congratulations!

Everyone loves Joe. Congrats NSO, a good looking line up.

Be afraid Ch33ky, be afraid...

Feel good Meth. The fact they are using MI to try and ransom you into giving up is an admission on their part that they can't defeat you.

You're talking two separate matters here. Polaris' cancellation was unrelated to Tywin. Had the treaty not been cancelled I'm sure they wouldn't have been under attack yet, but that doesn't mean ever. What is really killing SNX is the same thing that created them, a lack of committed and active government combined with a lack of active support by the members for the few who did attempt to run the place. The alliances creating SNX merged for the exact same reason.

The scrolls have been found! Thanks to a member no longer of this world I will display them here so you all may be converted.

This thread is good, I feel good and we'll live forever! Also hello Margrave, no, TBH I hate it but it was the necessary decision.

All I see in there is a map to your place Duderonomy, useless!

St Nuke wrote the document describing Henge Kaia. Henge Kaia is the official religion of the New Polar Order and referenced in a few threads I could find on the old CN boards as far back as early 2007. Sadly the page is now gone and I can't find a copy anywhere. The scrolls are lost.

Well done. St Nuke's writings are no more.

I thought you'd be one of the ones old enough that you would! This topic is only for the ancient members of Planet Bob with good memories. That or google...

The sacred scrolls of the Henge Kaia have been lost and Planet Bob shall forever be a poorer place for it. That is all...

It's scary that Planet Steve right now has far more heat, emotion and passion than planet Bob!