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Congratulations to our brothers. o/

The answer is many years.

I agree with everyone of you. Wouldn't have happened in my day! This excites me :D

Schattenmann I'm proud to call you a friend and I agree whole heartedly with your thoughts.

I love TBC and our allies RIA so I'm delighted by this treaty. I'm just a little jealous as well...

This! Also congratulations :D

There's some really interesting side debates going on here! Judge I get your point and I feel some sympathy to it but I also know the big picture in politics and any new direction has to start somewhere. Polaris staying isolated wasn't contributing anything towards a changing planet Bob so even by your own metric you should welcome this move. Prodigal Moon once you changed AA you couldn't see your resignation thread but it is filled with good wishes from your comrades in Polaris. You left because you're a man of principles and we respect that, please respect that we've not lost our own principles as well.

Steve is clearly a fan! People will have their own opinions and experiences but mine has been that UPN have been terrific allies and I'm thrilled to have some join us.

This was a great read and you provided quality entertainment with Kim Jong Illest. Welcome back!

TBC has some awesome people and I know some have wanted to try this for years. I hope it's a great success.

Only you could get away with it! Merry Christmas everyone.

I like it!

This is so much better than "We're bored". War with reason is good war!

We have no allies involved in this war and no association to either side. What is your point?

If my allies requested to take an action that would directly set another ally up for destruction I would have said I can't agree to it. Is that what you;re asking? Make no mistake here, I applaud and support STA as having done the right thing. I feel ODN failed to make the best choice is all.

To Buco and Azaghul... I have publicly acknowledged that ODN will fight hard on a winning or losing side several times over the years and certainly Polaris and ODN have had some great battles! That said, standing with your peers when you're obligated to isn't real courage. Real courage is standing up to your own peers and speaking up. In this case your allies decided to commit to an action that meant your direct ally, STA, would be obligated to defend and heavily outnumbered. We aren't talking a maybe here or chaining, were talking a direct obligation with no choice. By pre-emting TPF Oculus removed any choice for STA. ODN had two choices. 1. Refuse to allow this and commit to defending STA should the action be taken. 2. Agree with it. Option 1 has risk and requires courage. To speak up against your peers and risk being outcast would be the right answer because that's what a real ally does. Had you done that though, STA would have had a choice as the link to MI6 was chaining. This where all the criticism is coming from, you signed off on your ally being hammered to keep yourself in the good books. Option 2 is sadly the one taken. Sure you talked to STA and they graciously gave you an 'out', that doesn't make signing off on this any less disappointing. It really doesn't matter how you try and dress this or how much STA accept your choice, you still signed off on an action committing a direct ally to destruction. It's absolutely no different to situations that both IRON and Valhalla have recently been in except that STA are nicer about it.

I'm pleased to see my friends at Monsters Inc have peace. o/

Who is 'Oculus High Command'?

This is accurate.

Wes and Les, we shared some good times and I'll always look forward to saying hello with you guys when ever I can. That said, you've made a pretty bad mistake here and I hope you work that out. On the 'perpetual war' front, the thing every rogue and indeed yourselves forget is when you cant chose your targets it gets boring. Once out of nukes a couple of nations against you mean you only land one one each occasionally and at the end of a week they rotate out anyway. It's not a question of how long you can last with billions, heck a competent ruler can go for years on two billion. It's a question on how long you can go warring daily against people you don't even know or dislike before you just cant be bothered logging in anymore.

They also have one with STA. Treaties are just a silly inconvenience for some...

You must know something I don't know! I'm sure there's time for any alliance with real goals to achieve them,

Human nature is to judge by your own standards. TPF are honest, loyal and decent so that's what they expected back. The fact NPO can't even see the issue is just as telling about their own character in my opinion.

I like MI6 and TPF and yet this decision has made me very happy. Well done Oculus!

I was away and missed it all but I genuinely understand both positions here and want to wish MI a bright and prosperous future. I'll continue to visit them regularly.