Zinobya

Very much enjoyed the read. War is the reason for the game, and it has been my experience that blocs and majorly treatied alliances are a bore. and never measure up to expectations regardless of "side". I do think, however, you should try a little less subtelty next time . p.s I still remember the Zombie announcement, and you haven't topped that one yet.

Congrats Olympus, looking very, very secksi!

I think that its up to the alliances fighting to decide what we deserved, which they did, and we have acknowledged our our loss, surrendered and trying to honor those whom we fought in this thread. Also Joe said he wasn't going to answer that here. He might in pm, you never know. Care for a yuengling? Its really, really tasty

Tyga, it matters not, read it as you will and take it as you will. Myself, I prefer confusion these days, especially the kind that comes from a few glasses of yuengling. If it makes anyone feel better, I cried when I decommed what was left of my nukes. Like a little girl. For serious. Can we change the topic now to Free Beer or something? Everybody likes free beer.

I would like to take a moment to give mad props to all of the guys I fought, since I forgot to earlier... finest bunch of fighters I've ever faced. You guys rocked my world, and I'll never ever forget it, hands down the best experience to be had in CN. Cheers!

No madder than it was at the end of GWI when NPO were asked to apologise for what, in essence, you did, and were not required to pay reps nor anything else. The Orders of the time that you were a member of bragged the entire time and later even spun that it never happened. In practice, it seems the world never truly changes, and even when faced with people I believe have truly changed, I find in instances like these their true colors always show. That being said, to treat those you believe evil or deserving of harshness with said harshness, you engender even worse enemies and worse hate. Look at, say, AirMe. His hate is palpable, and rightly so because of the way he his alliances have been treated in the past. It stands to reason that repeats of this behavior create even more hatred and bittnerness. It certainly never ends well, so is it worth a week of smug satisfaction to ensure that revenge is returned upon you a thousandfold? Everyone keeps citing what Valhalla has done to other alliances, and I think Valhalla has learned the lesson that this engenders hatred and a desire to bring you down. Taking it further than that serves noone. Speaking for myself and not my alliance but as a person who has been on both sides since near Planet Bob's beginning(and there really are only two): I find nearly everyone carries grudges, and nearly everyone is full of hate and desire for revenge. Valhalla fought long and hard in this war, and treated their enemies with respect and honor. Harsh terms meant to cripple them would have never been accepted by the general memership, and Planet Bob would be dealing with small nations with MPs and warchests hell bent on dying for a very, very long time. I know I fully expected us to be offered terms with harsh reps, that called for Joey's head, that took away all military and wonders... terms that would have never been accepted, that would have I believe seen the self-willed disbandment of the alliance and unleashed a fury of rogues that would have suprised even FAN. Again this is my opinion and not based on any fact. I would like to thank our opponents for showing honor and class, and also for being one ~@#& of a good time. If it were possible to buy ever one of you a pint of ale, I would. I tip my hat to you.

True that Valhalla has, but disappointing to see the lofty riposte in this manner. I did not really believe that BAPS thread would devolve into Viking slams. I rather believe this is a well deserved peace for BAPS precipitated by respect won on the battlefield, and am glad to see it. Great fight BAPS, congrats on peace. o/

I am glad the New Sith Order honors their treaties. I am sad however that I expected this, and that no matter the outcome of this war that here we have the Old- old hegemony fighting the established hegemony and that nothing will ever really and truly change after this war... in some cases not even the faces and names. There are many that fight for true ideals in this war, but I fear they are muddled with what is, in essence, Pacifica versus Pacifica. To these people it is about passion for power. I caution the other side to question who leads them as much as the current hegemony is supposed to question theirs.

I believe that's beeen answered. Valhalla will not be putting their treaty partners in NpO in a compromising position, any more than STA are going to start an offensive war. The horse is dead, and you appear more desperate to resurrect the poor thing with each post. Telling Valhalla to honor their treaties and by proxy to compromise one of your allies in the process is hardly appropriate ally behavior, imo.

Crazy times. In this hush hush paranoid world it has been intimated by strange parties I may be a Vox spy. I fell out laughing, what a load of garbage, my conscience is clear and especially with the ONLY one whom with it matters. Do not even make the mistake I would do that to him, or my friends. Vox has you all so spun you look into any shadow to find what is staring back at you. If there were freaking facts we'd hear them loud and clear. Chase your own tail at will.

I seriously wish you good luck. Its hard, what you seek to undertake. I hope you aren't plagued with: 1) popularity contests 2) spies working from the ground floor 3) A populace who does not think you are hiding everything from them 4) A general membership that does not flee in disillusionment from the workings of Democracy or that does not resign after a few terms in govt. *edit: drunk typing ftw

The propensity to desire blood and war is characteristic of the game design and is arguably why people and alliances build nations, wonders, warchests, infra and tech; where as the influence necessary to render the ultimate conflict viable is a commodity held by a mere handful of players. I don't care what goes on behind the scenes, and I frankly don't want a war only when it is either stoked via waited-for iron clad causus belli, or profitable and/or convenient to have one. I also do not care if I am neither "allowed" nor "wearing the correct AA" to say this. We'll have a war this summer, or by May. It will take that long to engender the parameters, and ensure that the "most important" are out of school or on vacation and available to commit full time to the game. I'm old, tired, and so very bored.

I voted summer, but really that's just wishful thinking. I could give a crap about terms because if war ever comes again I won't be accepting them personally. I'm in it to fight and die. However, I'm bored to death and think it may never happen, really. Not on a large scale, just one stupid curbstomp after another. Nothing good will happen. People are so precious about their zeroes and ones, no one wants to take a chance, and so we all sit and look for intrigue or something to snipe about. Meh.

Thanks Neboe, that makes a great deal of sense, very appreciated.