javaswiller

I personally love 3BR. This one gets even better with resource swaps.

[quote name='Viluin' timestamp='1289231436' post='2506106'] If you swap your resources like you said, the MIC should give you $170k per day or so, making the difference a little smaller. So the Movie Industry would only give you an extra $2.5 million in the first month. It costs $1 million more than the MIC, so the extra profit would be $1.5 million in that first month. With the MIC you'd be giving up $1.5 million as an insurance to make sure you don't suddenly lose all your land in those 30 days. To me it'd be worth it, but maybe I'm biased because I used to have 10k land, lost it all, and then actually had to pay $120 million for enough land to buy the MIC a month after the war. [/quote] I ultimately went with Movies, betting I can stay out of war for 30 days. But with your numbers, MIC does looks more attractive. I would never advise it with my natural resource set.

[quote name='Ironfist' timestamp='1289182861' post='2505585'] By FAS do yu mean the FAC or the Fallout Shelter? I'm a little confused. [/quote] Doh! You got it right

Using the calculator at http://c2t.org/cncalc.php ... Hollywood would give me an extra $249,000 / day right now; the MIC would provide about $85,000. In other words, Movies provide me with an extra $5 million / month. That doesn't even seem to be a fair comparison.

This debate is more interesting than I thought it would become. I was pretty sure you guys would be in the FAS or Movie camp, which is where I was all along. My trade set is rather rich, but I don't think I have enough people to really make going to the Moon worth the investment at this time, as one other person noted here. Perhaps I will be strong enough later. It's funny that we talk about what might happen in the event of war and no one says boo about the Fallout Shelter. Now, I have read some negatives about that wonder, how an attacker can use it against you. Does anyone have any experience with that? Or is that just talk? In case you are still wondering about the resource swap, well, let's just say I didn't start doing it to help myself. I started doing it to help a friend. In the process I discovered that lead gives my payday economy a rather significant boost. I have found an even better combo for resource swapping, but I don't have the people to do it. Fortunately, my oldest trade partner, who has been with me for three years, let's me do this swap whenever I need to. I have another day or two before I am forced to decide. Anyone want to second guess the value of FAS?

One asked, why the resource swap. ... The swap wasn't originally for me; it was for a bigger buddy. But I discovered I get Scholars, Beer and Fast Food during the swap. So the MIC would be worth an extra $4 / day ... if I collect during this particular resource swap. I have been leaning toward FAS, or maybe Movie Industry. My warchest would be sufficient, but not ideal, to expand to the Moon.

Maybe my math is too fuzzy, but here is what I think about the Moon with my resource set. One happiness point is worth about $1.20 / day / person. So 1 point would provide me with $1M every 10 days. The wonder would cost me about $200 million. Because it expires in 600 days and happiness degrades to nothing during that time, I can assume I will lose 1 happiness point every 100 days. So the first 100 days I would make about $50 million, and over the course of 600 days would make only $150 million. Of course I would also be saving on infrastructure cost, but it seems to me, I would barely be able to recover my costs.

I am coming up on a new wonder cycle. Here are my choices: [quote]Fallout Shelter System - $40,000,000 - Allows 50% of your defending soldiers to survive a nuclear strike, Reduces tank, cruise missile, and aircraft, losses from a nuclear strike by -25%, Reduces nuclear vulnerable navy losses by 12%, Reduces nuclear anarchy effects by 1 day. Movie Industry - $26,000,000 - Increases population happiness +3. Mining Industry Consortium - $25,000,000 - Increases population income by $2.00 for the resources Coal, Lead, Oil, Uranium that your nation has access to. Federal Aid Commission - $25,000,000 - Raises the cap on foreign money aid +50% provided that the foreign aid recipient also has a Federal Aid Commission wonder. Allows two nations with the Federal Aid Commission wonder to send secret foreign aid. Secret foreign aid costs the sender 200% the value of the items that are sent. Moon Base - $50,000,000 + (3,000 * (Nation Strength - (Technology Purchased * 2))) - Reduces infrastructure cost and bills -4%. Provides +5 happiness that degrades over the life of the wonder. Expires at 600 days. Mars Base - $100,000,000 + (6,000 * (Nation Strength - (Technology Purchased * 2))) - Reduces infrastructure cost and bills -3%. Provides a gradually increasing happiness bonus that peaks at +6 happiness at the end of the life of the wonder. Expires at 1,200 days. [/quote]--- That said, I will buy the FAC only AFTER the Scientific Development Center, so don't even suggest it. When collecting taxes, I normally resource swap, giving me lead and uranium. So if you peek at my nation, keep that in mind. If I were to consider space, I would go to the moon before Mars. But because of my trade set, I don't see much of a payoff doing that either. So, please tell me, what would you buy and why.

This is a white team trade circle. We are down to one slot left open. Water: javaswiller Spices: javaswiller Wheat: latinvato03 Sugar: latinvato03 Aluminum: Tieske Gems: Tieske Pigs: niff Cattle: niff Iron: Schatten Marble: Schatten Lumber: Uranium:

Slots have been filled

Water: javaswiller Spices: javaswiller Wheat: latinvato03 Sugar: latinvato03 Aluminum: Tieske Gems: Tieske Pigs: niff Cattle: niff Iron: Schatten Marble: Schatten Lumber: Viken Uranium: Viken Bonuses are Beer, Fast Food and Construction. This is a very good trade circle.

OK

Excellent. I think we should have a complete circle.

That's exactly what you need to do. Now, if we can get one more seller to complete this.

In a 3x3, each buyer sends $3 million to one seller, and each seller sends 50 tech to two buyers.

I would love to buy ... http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...Nation_ID=18236

Woohoo.... Two more sellers needed

Three more sellers please.

I am a buyer with three slots open ... I am seeking a long-term trade. http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...Nation_ID=18236

buyer here http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...Nation_ID=18236

I am pretty sure I know another seller for a 3x3

buyer http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...Nation_ID=18236

Well, sorry, guys. I am moving on.

I am giving it until the next update. If we have no seller, let's cancel; I have a good offer awaiting the available aid slot.

Monitoring it daily, and trying to recruit that one seller