Johnny Apocalypse

gestures wildly at your previous posts Yeah I'm playing the victim, smh. I'm merely pointing out that your continued war against him was unnecessary and could have been wrapped up easier. Then he wouldn't be taking up your war slots and using up resources seeing as you currently have bigger fish to fry

Yeah and if I considered him to be a 'rogue' he would no longer be on the AA. Your supervisor was suspiciously absent when I asked to quantify how long was consdiered fair game for spying after the agreed time for peace and continued to pile on him for what is now the 3rd round of war, so if he received assistance from another alliance who provided tech to fight back against your downdeclaring? I have no qualms with it and it seems fair enough to me, along with further attacks on your alliance he may choose to launch. Perhaps your supervisor should have clarified this matter when I asked him 🤷‍♂️

fairness? lmao are you for real? you guys fattened alex up with 10,000 tech to sit on one of our guys after he had alerady been in the ringer against you and you want to talk about what is fair and "detrimental to the game as a whole" christ almighty this is rich. your guys asked for pandoras box to be opened and now you don't like it. be careful what you wish for next time admin listens.

Aid has been useful for those of us in a smaller alliance, the cap as it is is basically just an average of the amounts being thrown around by AW when aid began being sent. Presumably so the cap nerfed everyone across the board and didn't leave anyone in a positionth eould never able to keep up. I agree that if aid is continued within TE? The cap should be in the ballpark of 20m/tech as the limit. As for the pracice of turtling? That's only something we can do as the players. I only ever consider turtling as a viable response to a heavy handed offensive where it wouldn't make a diifference if I burnt my money trying to fight, back Keep in mind it is just as boring and frustrating being a turtle. So if you want to see less turtling? Cut out the excessive dogpiles and downward punching. Punch at your weight andyou'll likely find people more likely to punch back for the duration of the war. I suppose I can see this logic, but it's worth keeping in mind that admin 'came down harslhy on AW' with regards to the aid cap being implemented (which you now recognise is something we do actually need) because you were the onlly alliance spinning ever-growing aid packets to each other. I'm sure admin would have addressed it with them were they doing it at the same time as you. Admin 'came down harshly' by imposing a cap and preventing the opportunity for unapped aid to spiral out of control. You both seem to be ask guilty as the other with your famrinmg mehods and tech trees, the key difference being that your farms aren't just buying up for their collections and then selling off all the infra to avoid being hit- however it doesn't change the fact your members are farmning it all th same. OP are just minaaxing the method by reducing overheads and potential risks of their farms being burnted in between collecitons by keeping them well out of range but something like 23k troops at ZI. So like I said; if you self-nerf infras lower than the 2k needed to buy it? You have to rebuy the FAC to regain the ability to send/receuve aid. It's enough of a nerf it wouldn't be considered unfair and woul d mae people think tefwie

Why would admin be playing favourites? I'm curious why you see it this way and what admin's motive would be tto act in favour of OP/against AW. I would agree that if there is a requirement to buy the FAC then that requirement should be maintained really. If people are selling off their infra to overclock their max troops/reduce bill count and stay out of range of any would be attackers then I'd agree that's cheesing the system (Much like porting tech around to people to prevent it being destroyed is cheesing the system) So perhaps a way to address this would be preventing nations selling infra below the requirement for building it in the first place without sacrificing the wonder first/making it deactivate. The wonder could still work if you went below the required amount of infra but only as a result of it being destroyed in a war, to me this seems a reasonable way to address the issue.

Ah fair enough, I've not played TE for about two years so wasn't aware. So consider it belated kudos, it's a good addition to the TE mechanic that has been added.

You were a fun opponent when we clashed a few years ago, so best of luck to you and Wayward Sons whatever it is you guys choose to do going forward. And I hope you enjoy the peace of not having to do anything!

They'll need to re-close the gap between us again first. Seems there's been a shift. Careful what you wish for Smitty. Without the planet's traditional big bad around to rally against; who would remain and replace them as the new power to rage against? It could be you or one of your friends, it could be one of ours. I like uncertainties, not everyone does though.

We know and we do apologise for this. We've got a recording for the weather forecast but it's been Rated R as it's primarily footage of the large birds defecating on your ally and it's therefore not suitable to broadcast on this medium. If you could clear some of them from the skies we might be able to resume broadcasting, the geiger counters our reporters are equipped with are pretty basic models which aren't any good in that environment and we've found that the shows ratings take a dip if a reporter's skin is visibly sloughing off during a segment as a result of acute radiation sickness. As much as we are committed to the pursuit of facts to create news, we aren't going to be risking the safety of reporters working for The Day Today if you're unwilling to address the climate disaster which we are sure you are more than capable of doing.

A picture says a thousand words, or in this case roughly 300,000.

woops wrong chart

Oh you were actually serious! Well damn, fair play to you both. I've butted heads with Bundy plenty of times but as the saying goes; don't hate the player, hate the game. Congrats to you both!

Nah get down with the Brown. It's pretty neat over here and I think FAIL might actually enjoy our company. We get to see Bundy thump his chest in our direction which is always a hoot. Also we have the added benefit of there being no 'Imperial German' cosplayers going rogue (just every other sphere that isn't Maroon) because their allies didn't want to see their own hard-earned pixels getting melted if they actually tried to defend them. Can't say I blame them for taking matters into their own hands if that's the case. We just have the inverse on Brown where we have a Soviet-themed alliance instead of one that adopts an 'Imperial Geman' aesthetic. I've wondered if/when that elephant in the room will be addressed, it's been awful quiet around here lately what with the flock of Doombirds flying over the Reich artilleries which are firing what volleys they can muster alone. The allies of the Reich opted for putting sanctions on teams which have no consequence, instead of putting any boots on the ground. The one team it would be detrimental to the Doombirds in question for a sanction costed Senator Al Bundy his seat for voting against the wishes of his electorate because there were "multiple requests" made to him to place it. (It seems I just looked at the elephant in question. So does anyone else want to take a look? I could always take this to the presses as there's not much going on in the OWF, it'd be just great to hear people's thoughts on the scenario) Anyway I digress. As you were Mr Blue-Text Virginia; the wise and well travelled leader of the fearsome FAIL alliance. FAIL is an exceptional example to us of the raw power of the individual- game respects seeing game. o7

BOTTOM's up Lads o/

going great so far; shoutout to bundy and AO for helping two of us to gain the biggest nothing: you sure showed us the need for an aid mechanic when you're being punched down on by someone with such an odd tenacity! (did we piss in your cereal? sorry the sewage pipes at the compound are quite rudimentary at best, our engineers would sort it out but are unfortunately pre-occupied) oh wait, it is cool to be able to receive or send aid after a heavy smashing and maybe that was the purpose admin had in mind for it to be used when he conisdered how it'd help the game; not a mechanic to see who can send the biggest ball of resources to one another. maybe boognish told me to attack your alliance to demonstrate this! our missionaries are travelling far and wide inside of your borders with ease. your people will be tamed, submit to boognish.

He's chewed through close to 400 infra and 1.7k of my NS like I'm some overboiled pasta already with conventional means and he's only done his first blitz. So yeah, if there's anyone even in range to be hit by such a nuke at that point it probably would! Though I suppose he can always send the tech to someone else to hold to drop his strength back into fighting range, then have it shipped back to him. Not complaining by any means about the very obvious reality that his stats vs my stats = lots of dead guys and lost infra/tech/land/military and I wouldn't have marched us into a fight with them if I wanted to avoid this- but there's only one way worth taking swing at someone and it has to be upward, otherwise there's no challenge to it. I always thought one of the things about TE was your ability to build your nation without outside help other than guidance from your alliance-mates on how to build and what resources you would get from your trade partners. If you were taken down then that meant you were basically out- which is what makes it a tournament. The idea wasn't to allow players to use their whole alliance as an irrigation system to flood one or two members with all of the money, so they could exceed well beyond the kind of growth achieved on their own and become unbeatable. Unless of course everyone else in other alliances did the exact same thing if they had enough people to feed off, it's quite parasitic and doesn't really allow for individual nations to be judged on their skill at growing and fighting if that growth is determined by how much outside help they can get early on for a considerably large headstart. It's been argued that this was necessary to overcome some issue in the game mechanics that AW kept running into when fighting Ordo Paradoxia, but I don't see how that's a credible argument for needing this much of an advantage. It only demonstrates how good people think they are vs. how good they actually must be without being able to have a good +100m warchest, 3k tech and 4k infra by day 20 of the round. All of it having nothing to do with being well-versed in how to build a nation on your own but thanks to being allowed to send aid without a limit at first but still a massive amount even with the cap on (presumably so admin didn't nerf everyone who didn't take full advantage of it before AW) For alliances without the amount of members that AW have? There's no way of competing with that on an individual level if it doesn't matter how well you build, this round it's been about how many people you can get to help you build more than you would typically be able to on your own. That being said; one of the additions which hasn't been given much notice or credit to admin for has been the addition of a 2nd set of resources which you can't trade with anyone else. Essentially they're secondary supplement resources and you decide what they can be, whatever you choose has no impact on your trade circle if you decide you want a resource that isn't included in that setup, or if you lose a trade partner you have a backup option where you can change your supplementals to the resources you temporarily have lost a trade partner for. It's a nice modifier that doesn't have the same potential to grossly imbalance the playing field.

Oh hey there you are! I had a feeling if someone whispered your name you'd appear That's about the size of it yeah, whoever got the headstart on rapidly pumping aid upwards has (to the surprise of no one) now managed to gain a handful of nations flush with cash and tech who can only declare downward because they did it first. But hey-ho, it is what it is and we Cultists are back for a bit of roughhousing regardless of what form that takes as war isn't something I'd inherently consider a thing that is fair anyway. It is much less impressive if you're waging one you know you'll win because you've nowhere to punch but downwards and you win but then you could argue everyone else should've been quicker off the mark with making full use of the aid mechanic if they didn't want that to happen. They're just 'taking full advantage of the game mechanics' (mechanics which seem to have been requested by them for the most part) and did it better only insofar as they did it before anyone else. Doesn't make much difference to a ragtag bunch of misfits who knew we weren't going to compete with the well-established players with more people than us- with or without aid being a mechanic, I didn't even know it'd be a thing for this round until I'd already made my nation so it was something of a funny coincidence for me. I'm sure you remember the Cult from over a year or so ago, our victory is determined by our own criteria and the first of which is that we should be having some fun with it- which we are! Also speaking of other victory criteria; have you seen that sheep around anywhere lately? I'd like a......friendly word

What up? We haven't found that sheep we came back here for yet so we prayed to our stupidfaced god and he didn't say anything for a while. I guess he was disappointed in us. Then the other day, I found this scrap of paper while packing the compound walls with more explosives (someone tried to just walk in the other day; it's a compound for a cult my guy, do you not see everyone eating only rice and happens to be heavily armed? some people...am I right?) So yeah Boognish left this message for me and I didn't know what the hell he meant at first: Classic mumbo-jumbo cult nonsense I know but hey I decided to just go with it and the rest of the cultists have decided the same, which is great news. So Bundy, let's bounce! Boognish Cult wants to throw down and make everything nice and brown. What else is there to do here until we find that damned sheep? For the time being Boognish Cult will dance with Alpha Wolves! We hope you like our Kool-aid and suspicious looking vests (we're just fat okay don't go there) Lot of love; from Pandy Fackler and The Idiots

so anyway; how's the round going for everyone else so far? whatever happened to that defcon alliance that whipped the wolves around instead of paradoxia? OP were relatively dormant the last time I was here with maybe less than 10 members keeping the old banner alive, so it's nice to see that people do still just come and go for a few rounds here and there. stops it getting too repetitive I suppose.

okay buddy. the creator of the world says otherwise whereas you don't know squat about coding software. i'm erring towards him being right on this. get good or get lost. you couldn't beat OP before without admin adding uncapped aid, now you're on a level playing field and everyone plays by the same rules which is apparently unfair to you and you alone. sounds more like you're simply a sore loser at best and at worse just someone who wanted to cheat the system in order to win. of course you fail to see the irony of your own claim about existing alliances 'manipulating game mechanics' in the way they knew best despite literally wanting to see a mechanic added to specifically manipulate it to 'compete with them' - that's not competing that's seeking to give yourself an unfair edge because you are literally incapable of thinking of another way to compete effectively on a level-playing field, even when you have a superiority in the number of nations in your alliance working to your favour it's still somehow unfair? you should read some of the stuff you say out loud before you post it, it's cognitive dissonance at it's finest. there's still the aid mechanic in place, perfectly viable to use to re-strategise if your previous efforts have failed (which if was just you guys using the same strat over and over expecting a different result? that is the definiition of insanity so i'm told and is why i'm gonna just stop engaging with you at this point)

Both are capable of being the case tbh. First of all; Al posted a thread in Report a Bug two days prior to this thread being made about only being able to send 100 tech to another nation, which is how it is in SE. From this it would seem that the code for sending aid in SE was copied to TE and left unchanged, this explains why Al ran into an aid cap that mirrored SE. This would also mean that an aid cap has been in place since the beginning, only when someone tried to send it nearly two weeks into the round did it get found. Meaning the cap not only got hastily removed from the copy of SE code- it also hadn't been tested at all prior to the round to make sure it wasn't going to be giving any given nation too much of an upper-hand; or tested to make sure that it wouldn't have a detrimental effect on the actual code of the game in ways that would be far worse than just giving the people who utilised it first the upper-hand too freely. Thats why even a re-issue of a game with slight tweaks will always be debugged before it goes on sale. These things need testing and finding where the breaking points might be, then ensuring that breaking point isn't something that can be reached before you hand it over to the user. Otherwise the user is going to be pretty angry with a broken product eventually. This is especially true when it comes to games we play online. What do we need to do to play most online games? Make an account. What does that need? Your email address and a password and you get the picture. If there's a vulnerability in the code of the game? That data we use to sign up is also potentially vulnerable if the new elements of the game code are not thoroughly debugged to ensure that not only the game architecture is stable but that user details which are given to make accounts are secure from a wouldbe hackerman. As to the nature of the code vulnerability? I don't know what it is exactly and I doubt admin is going to declare what it was in case any passerby gets any funny ideas. Yes billions of dollars are shifted daily, that's already been coded and accounted for happening it's why it hasn't been a concern. Has 10000 tech ever been moved in one go before? Make that 10000.99 to be precise. What if it was the case that a 7-digit input on the Tech you send our via foreign aid would've been all it took to sink everything? Knowing us left unchecked, we'd probably have made a game of how big we could make a ball of aid before the end of the round as a little side-game to have fun with while totally unaware of the underlying issue. We already have this thread celebrating the largest amount of money sent in history, what would have stopped us pushing it further for seemingly harmlesss laugh? I went from thinking "Jesus that's a bit excessive, so whoever does that first wins then?" but I'm more concerned about the fact this was discovered to be a risk so late without any testing being done, not about if it's fair on other players at this point.

An example of what I'm going on about which might be related to why the cap needed to be put on would be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_overflow Brief summary for you as well. To be crystal clear with you here; I am not in any way saying that anyone was doing anything along the lines of trying to exploit the coding (you especially as you don't know what I'm talking about, so how would you know what to even do to exploit it in the first place) However; if there was an instance where a large enough sequence was entered into area you type out how much aid you want to send that exceeded the buffer- or let's call it "the cap" of the memory in the program's code? The example above is what might happen, that may be why there is a need for a secondary cap on the front-end/player interface to prevent a buffer overflow disrupting things across the game. I'm no expert on this kinda thing, just have a bit of rudimentary knowledge that I've picked up from other programmers and other computer magicians over the years. I could be way off and the need for a cap is for some other reason. What I'm trying to communicate to you by pointing this one example out is this: The aid cap was not added to spite you, it was done for the stability of the very game you enjoy playing. But yes, I'm sure you feel it isn't fair that you can't send as much aid as you want anymore, you asked for uncapped aid which has been taken away. Admin should remove the cap for you again, buffer overflows be damned!

I doubt it's a server issue because there's no change to how many slots would be sent or increase to server traffic, just larger integers of money/tech being sent. It's that which I think is the problem admin realised. If you read the Info Index with all the equations that determine all the things about our nations, you might get an idea of how uncapped integers of certain resources being sent in a lump sum to someone might screw with them and they are the governing mechanics of everything about building your nation and everyone elses. It may also be the case that the root code of the game has a cap itself on the highest possible integer of something someone can have at a given time. If that cap is exceeded the number doesn't keep getting larger, it goes back to zero or a negative number. Can you imagine sending a huge amount of something to find out that you just sent someone negative tech and the implications of that? You didn't break the game you silly goose; you just revealed to admin something that would've been apparent if removing the aid cap was debugged before implementation, to make sure it didn't effect the core mechanics and equations that determine various elements of the game itself. Adding the foreign aid mechanic with a larger cap than SE has could also make it either a lot easier to turtle if you could send all your tech away and just get it back later but it could also be a good workaround to deal with people turtling by sending tech to whoever has the nukes to rip the shell off the turtle's back! There are ways around it all if you experiment with this new-fangled irrigation system we have with far greater capacity than the other planet does. Sure there's a cap now but it's still a good chunk of stuff you can fling around where it might be needed for a fight. Essentially you helped debug a part of the game that you and others asked to be implemented and revealed it couldn't safely be left uncapped, not because what you did caused an immediate issue but it revealed the potential for something which definitely would be. We do still have the ability to send large amounts of aid though and you all wisely co-ordinated the most effective way of utilising that capless aid potential first so I'm unsure why you seem irritated- or why you're ranting at me about OP like I care? They're just turtles, crack off the shell with a suped up nuke and eat the delicious meats inside! If you thought being able to send aid would help you deal with the turtles then that remains an option, you just can't crank it to 11 because the mathematics behind everything in the game won't allow 11 it'd give you 0 or less. A for effort on the co-ordination with this. Ideal day to optimise the amount of money and tech you could acquire before the shooting really started. F for implentation. You seem to have wasted your slots and opportunity experimenting with uncapped aid by simply flinging it back and forth.

one result is known and it's uncapped aid might fry the planet and the other planet we live on if a large enough amount of something was sent, the forces of entropy are not to be taken llightly!

It''s still quite a lot to be able to send but it does mean the rest of us can strip our nations of resource to send upwards for a few people to catch up. What is there stopping people re-rolling a nation mid-round to get 2000 infra and a FAC to send the rest of their start up cash to the fighter of their choice? Welcome to the Planet Steve Oligarchy Showdown!