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Policy Regarding Tech Received From Multis
A group blog by Moderation Team in General
Lyricalz does not provide an exhaustive and complete record, only a best effort record, as I understand it, and may indeed miss some activity. Presumably (hopefully!) Sentinel has access to a much more complete and reliable database.
It's understandable that people get heated on the topic but everyone should try to avoid making unsubstantiated allegations against others when you do not know for sure.
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Policy Regarding Tech Received From Multis
A group blog by Moderation Team in General
1. You say that the top cheater guy gained 24,5k tech in a year by multies alone. With perfect slot effiency you can get 36x600=21600 tech in a year. If you are right that someone gained 24,5k tech in a year by aid, then you have bigger problems than multies, if not then your calculations are wrong.
The bigger problem is most likely the new senate mechanics, which have allowed some nations to have 7 slots at times.
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Also you should realize that we dont need full on shooting wars to have drama.
The possibility of war helps build drama - the actual occurrence of it can be quite rare and limited without weakening the drama.
These big wars are spectacles of the absurd anyway. Ritual destruction, brute destruction, for no reason or the lowest of reasons.
I guess I can understand how they could be entertaining to a subset of players, but kind of like sausages, once you've seen the way they are made, your appetite for them tends to die quickly.
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Entertainment?
I have never found these things entertaining. How could anyone find them entertaining?
Nauseating is more like it.
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So, back on point.
If you don't like it, do something about it. Join a micro, or make your own. Quit waiting for other people to make the game interesting, do it yourself (or if you feel less ambitious, seek out one of the pariahs that is already doing so - we are usually grateful for help.)
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127.0.0.1 facebook.com
(plus about two dozen more hosts)
facebook solved.
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Everybody complains but when someone tries to do something about it we are pilloried.
'Community' is getting the boredom it deserves.
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I think STRIPES is in the war because of the two waves of Minc attacks more than anything else.
:facedesk:
I am trying so very hard to believe that you are sincere but that is so far from the truth it's hard.
Walsh not only refused to take any action whatsoever in regards to dre4m, he then sent two more nations in after him, and posted public statements that we perceived as taunts and which he himself later admitted he might have perceived as such in our position as well. We made every effort over a period of time to work something out and he just kept pushing us instead. Then when the brown civil war ended and everyone agreed to peace - he sent more attacks instead.
I think the war should have been over when the BC broke up.
So did everyone but Walsh, and TDE and whoever else he was talking to in the shadows of course.
*EVEN DRE4M* - to the best of my knowledge and it's possible he lied to us but I wont presume it - even DRE4M himself agreed to end it there and gave his word.
Shortly later the same day Walsh overruled them.
The problem with giving the Meth side white peace then (as it is now) is that once it is granted your coalition will parade it around as a great victory and my side may lose face.
Unfortunately there is little that can be done about that. I was able to offer Walsh at an earlier point my personal guarantee that no one on my side would do that but he was not interested then, and at this point there's been so much provocation from your side I could no longer guarantee any such thing.
So at this point y'all have no option but to eat it. And I feel bad for you but not at all in any way like that is my fault.
Both sides should stop talking about how wronged they have been by the wars, take a step back and look. Look at the long term consequences of dragging this war out for rest of 2015.
The long term consequences for us are quite ok. You have to remember, at this point about 99% of the damage that can be done to us has been done. We are on the ramparts and we can easily kill your soldiers by simply dropping rocks off the edge. It's quite an amazing fortress, and very well supplied - we've worked tirelessly and with some efficiency for years to prepare for just such a siege, in fact.
As long as y'all keep throwing troops at us and insulting us in the forums we have no problem killing your troops and returning your insults. The end of 2015? What do you think is going to be any different in 4 months, except for the increasingly elevated level of desperation among our attackers?
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When you are talking about ways to end an aggressive war from your side against mine and you don't even spend a single sentence on any option that doesnt involve exterminating us, I think it's appropriate to point that out.
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I root for my friends in Kashmir too. Remember we were all close until recently, and I for one absolutely refuse to let refuse like Margrave ruin real relations with real people over their petty in-game scheming.
MInc is only attacking Kashmir in self-defense after Kashmir stabbed them in the back, weeks ago now. Individual Kashmir nations, some of them lead by very decent, honorable leaders who bear no guilt here, are the primary victims of Margraves treachery
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1.) Margave was literally the one trying to get you peace after you screwed up and hit TSO because you didn't get what you want.
Yeah this is not true at all. Margrave is either completely incompetent or his goal was simply to wash his hands of MInc (I lean towards the latter) and the only thing he did was cause trouble. He purported to negotiate an agreement without actually speaking with most (if any) of the principles, he was completely lost, had the facts of the matter all wrong, I mean I cannot think of anything he could have possibly done to screw that up that he did not actually do. It stank to high heaven of a setup, and the level of incompetence required to do what he did if it was not a setup is frankly not credible even in regards to him.
3.) We were not coming in, nor do we neccessarily plan to. With that having been said, the fact that you admitted to trying to bait DK in shows your sheer level of stupidity. You want to be a victim, and you want to be a martyr. You willfully admitted to acting idiotically in order to get an additional alliance to fight you. So again, you have no moral high ground to cling to.
I apologize for my friends paranoia. I feel we've always had decent relations between our tribes, and I would like that to continue. I believe LH sees your tribe as something a bit more monolithic than it is. It's clear that certain individuals have a particular attitude towards us - I believe he unwisely but understandably is prone to misinterpreting their individual provocations as part of an organized campaign endorsed by your leadership.
The difference between us is I don't try and act as if I have the moral highground. I do what I do, morality be damned. You on the other hand, can't make up your mind how the hell you want to act.
I don't like what you say but I do like the honesty of admitting it. I have no problem with you playing that way, since you are honest about it. What I utterly despise are the hypocrites who have acted immorally towards us at every turn and then propogandize us as aggressors and themselves as saints.
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Here's a better idea.
You could just quit being evil.
Yes. I have no idea who you are.
Lol why am I not surprised.
He's TDE's flunky.
So screw the lower tier people in your alliance we must fight over the 'S' word? How noble...I mean after all, you are fighting the bad guys to the last peasant.
Hal, oh Hal, how far you have fallen.
The 'lower tier people' in his alliance would be - wait for it - him
So he's the person you think he is screwing over. He is by far the hardest hit of us all.
He's doing what's right, and that is it's own reward. You used to at least pretend to understand that.
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It's like y'all want to be in high school all over again. The clique !@#$%^&* and the 'we don't need a reason, you are not popular so you have no rights' crap that I escaped so long ago.
Don't expect me to play along, don't expect me to dignify it. I'm playing a better game than that and I would urge you to do the same
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Gh0s7 you are simply wrong
We have defeated, bill-locked defeated for real, many of their nations
They only way they have managed to defeat even one of us was through moderation
But you know, even if you were right, even if they were effectively destroying us instead of simply amusing us with their attempts - the answer would still be no These people attack us unprovoked, insult us, tell collosal lies about us, wage an offensive propaganda war against us without shame or conscience. They are the most despicable bunch of idiots I have run across in years, and at this point nuking them is not only personally rewarding, it's a public service, it's just me making the world a little better place because I care.
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You make demands when you have a strong negotiating position. You have a strong negotiating position when you have something to offer that is valuable to the other side. Earlier in the war they might have had that, but now they have squandered it completely. There is nothing they have to offer that we need very badly. The days of blowing through a ton of money and losing a ton of ns every day are over, for us. Instead we log in every day and laugh at these idiots that keep slamming their faces into our knees, and grab some tech and money from them.
We chose our strategy, the only one that could possibly win for us from the start, and we executed it well. They failed completely to prevent, or even, I believe, to grasp it. As a result, the current situation. Every day at war costs them many times more than it does us. They haven't won anything but ashes. And we can keep pounding them however long it takes for them to grasp that fact.
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Various wars have various methods of going about it. Simply because he doesn't meet what you believe to be acceptable criteria for this one does not mean he is incapable of understanding war in general. That said, this is just your side throwing a tantrum about wording at this point, and being unable to accept reality.
The material constants of war, the underlying algorithms by which it works, are set by admin himself and while they have changed it is relatively rare. Various *people* (not wars) have 'various methods of going about it' for sure, but some are objectively superior; it's war, not an art contest.
"That said, this is just your side throwing a tantrum about wording at this point, and being unable to accept reality."
You've got that reversed. And it's a presumption but it seems the only explanation for your words are that you, too, either fundamentally misunderstand war itself or else you are horribly misinformed as to the actual situation in the field.
To give you an historical analogy, it's January 1969, and you are telling Ho Chih Minh that he is an idiot for continuing to fight; he's lost, his only rational move is surrender.
History will chuckle.
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Well this is one of dozens of good reasons not to.
BMT - you are wrong. Just cause you don't understand war doesnt mean we dont.
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I'm not saying a little transparency wouldnt be good. But unless you think they should just let everyone run as many nations as they want (which has ruined other games in the past) then I don't see how they could handle that too differently. Keeping in mind it's very difficult to detect and they are a small group of volunteers, there would seem to be a very fine line between creating an abusive environment where legitimate players feel threatened and worried and creating an abusive environment where legitimate players cannot compete with the multi rings.
Unfortunately it would seem to be possible to get the worst of both worlds there too - the lack of transparency doesnt guarantee they'll actually be effective at stopping cheating either.
It's really the horns of a dilemma, it's easy to criticize and some criticism is probably warranted but you have to weigh the alternatives as well.
As to forum bans, the original intended topic of conversation, I don't see it as that big a problem. I'm aware of some people that have had that problem, yes, but in every case that I am aware of they were really being idiots and brought it on themselves. I'm not saying the system is perfect I just don't see that as being a major problem at the moment.
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Who are you talking about Hal?
I am aware of two recent bannings, both for cheating, not for accumulating too many 'ticky-tacky forum violations.'
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Or you could move on to the second link and avoid the recursion.
Google does tailor results to person, perhaps it knows you only care about CN?
When I google pink kvass I get pictures of cubed beetroot, and link after link to recipes involving beets.
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What you got at the bar might have even been a mixed drink of some sort that merely used kvass as an ingredient as well.
You have me curious and I am still hoping to hear a genuine Russian or at least eastern european response.
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Wikipedia tells me Kvass is basically an improvised fermented beverage made from stale bread. Something like applejack, but typically made from scraps of old rye bread instead of apple scraps. This sounds like your brown, thin, and sour drink. Looks like this one: http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/08/14/204859046/america-are-you-tough-enough-to-drink-real-russian-kvas
Wikipedia doesnt go into a lot of detail but recipe sites seem to offer possible clarification. There's a wide variety of Kvass types, some are heavily flavored with berries etc and the color can range from brown towards the pinkish with those. There's also something called 'beet kvass' that is very pink and not at all brown.
So I am thinking at the Myu Myu you had a very upscale foo-foo sort of kvass either heavily flavored with something pink, or possibly even made from something pink like beets and/or berries with little or no bread at all, while at the market you got 4 liters of cheap brown kvass.
Some more pink-hued versions:
Beet Kvass: http://wellnessmama.com/9087/beet-kvass-recipe/
Orange Ginger Beet Kvass: http://www.meltorganic.com/orange-ginger-beet-kvass/
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I don't think the sizes of the alliance is the problem. I think the problem is that only micro and mid sized alliances are willing to take any risks whatsoever.
This is it entirely. The big 'institution' alliances are always extremely risk averse.
The best way to generate action on this planet is micro-drama. As long as the big alliances can be persuaded to stay out of it, of course. Which is not always as hard as one might think. See previous paragraph.
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Best wishes. I know you are strong and you will fight this and win.
Fact Checking OsRavan
in Shadow's Vault
A blog by Schattenmann in General
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Well it's hardly a surprise to me but thanks for collating the information.
It seems unlikely I will come into conflict with ODN, given my own peaceful nature, and their trajectory of rotting into nonexistence quickly, but the facts here are noted and should they be foolish and active enough to start something they will be taken into account before any quarter is offered.
Also good to see you posting!