TehChron
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If you want verbosity, Stonewall Jaxon, you can always contract me out.
Im sure I can come up with a wordy justification for either side.
That being said, Im not really in a position to agree or disagree, since I was always pretty indifferent to Lady Justice around these parts. Most of us are ruled by personal feelings rather than lofty ideals. Most, if not all, orators throughout the years were much the same. That awareness is what enabled them to do what they did so well. -
[quote name='mpol777' timestamp='1323452910' post='2871029']
Declaring on NPO wasn't so much a question of 'why' as it was 'why not'. The 'grudge' is there, but certainly wasn't a determining factor. Can you think of a reason why we should [b]not[/b] be at war? I can't think of one. I agree we don't stand to gain much of anything. We also don't stand to lose much of anything. It's a wash. And I agree that this whole war, and really much of the time before now, is a total yawner. What suffices for tasty drama now wouldn't have made a blip on the radar in years past.
We spent a considerable amount of time and energy in trying to point out to the world that they are living in !@#$. That their treaties and false sense of power in reality makes them weaker. It's like talking to a rock. In the end, people preferred this mind numbing existence to anything that might entail some risk. Maybe someone will step up. When they do I'll join them... or fight against them... whichever makes life !@#$%* for the most amount of people.
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As long as we're in agreement that this isn't really all that interesting to watch, then I don't mind agreeing with you on the rest of this stuff either.
I'm all for "why not", after all. -
[quote name='mpol777' timestamp='1323450142' post='2870995']
We're not tied to anyone. Unlike the rest of the world.
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Eh, it's nice hyperbole, but there's a limit to how much I can buy. I'm aware of a few groups that would be willing to do what you keep on espousing, but [i]you yourselves have already demonstrated no interest in working with them, even when their policies more closely mirrored your own ideals[/i]. So I take your self-righteousness with a grain of salt, no offense meant.
Declaring on the NPO with Fark isn't about balls, or "changing the face of the game", it's just a tired old story that's been repeated elsewhere so many times by a bunch of different characters, and is likely the only real reason FAN sticks around here.
Grudges are nice and fair game and all that, but dressing it up as something glorious, or honorable, or hell, even exciting is completely misrepresenting the truth of the matter. That's certainly my take, at least. -
[quote name='mhawk' timestamp='1323409053' post='2870455']
What was the reasoning for the attack? Have we really degraded to lord of the flies now or was there even a reasoning given for this war?
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If you're trying to imply that MHA is getting hit by a boulder here, Im sorry to say that the roles are reversed in this particular scenario.
The voice of reason demands that blood be spilled, and spilled it shall be. -
[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1323374994' post='2869486']
My apologies for the confusion, but I wasn't actually being sarcastic.
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You are now 10-50 times more awesome in my eyes.
Also, good idea on the tiers, Doitzel. Damn oDoAPs are so completely pointless that they should be penalized out of existence. -
[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1323373123' post='2869436']
Brilliant idea, Doitzel. Reparations of 5000 tech per treaty held.
Ardus for Chief Negotiator of DoomHouse
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Sarcasm aside, I kind of like the implications if such a thing were to become the assumption under which all alliances around here operated, "If we lose then it's 5000 extra tech we've got to send to GOONS afterwards, so let's try and be smart about this, alright?"
But I suppose I simply fantasize too much. -
[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1323298998' post='2867829']
Your confidence is outweighed only by your impotence.
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What a brilliant reference.
I forget who you're quoting, though.
Anyway, always a pleasure to read, mpol. -
[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1323271397' post='2867320']
I have nightmares sometimes that one day DerekJones will return and post that log. Not a high point.
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god i wish i could see that -
[quote name='Sterling' timestamp='1323235001' post='2866881']
I found Regent Pancras's reaction to Smurf's thread to be quite appalling, but we all make mistakes. Anyone who judges him, let alone the entire alliance, based off that one rage post needs to get off their high horse and re-evaluate themselves.
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You would have had a point were it only Regent Pancras' who overreacted. But his rage and call to arms for raiders to hit smurf kind of overshadowed the other rage posts in that particular discussion.
So...as a matter of fact, it's not that the impression that Regent gave of the Legion was inaccurate, it's simply a true reflection of your guys' community. And the attitudes they hold towards others. -
[quote name='theArrowheadian' timestamp='1323202624' post='2865977']
Yes, but your memory seems to be awful or maybe your reading comprehension is not up to snuff. It was in fact different. Not a huge amount, but like I said, there was always at least one discussion going amongst the riff-raff. Maybe you don't remember it maybe you just want to stereotype the whole time as the same. You're entitled to your opinion though.
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[url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=61826&st=0&p=1647395&#entry1647395"]Yeah you're totally right this place used to be so much better over 2 years ago, no wait was it 4 years ago?[/url]
You know what's really funny? You're just trying to revive a trend I started over two and a half years ago. And even back then said trend was entirely devoid of any substance, not to mention the fact that it was entirely self-serving.
[quote name='Doitzel' timestamp='1323203733' post='2866007']
That's actually complete rubbish. There was some really great vitriolic dialogue in 2006-2007. We were terrible and we mocked each other, but it was substantive, especially when[b] Denial, Arctic, Archon, or a few others[/b] came out swinging. Eventually the CoaLUEtion side faltered with defeat and attrition (I still feel bad for Vincent Xander), the UJW happened, a lot of the big personalities left, and the old guard got complacent. NPO completely lost its identity over the years and nobody has ever been able to fill that void which was central to that political dynamic (save Polar, for a bit).
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Always the bridesmaid, huh...
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I enjoyed the read, although I didnt find it to be rip-snorting hilarious or anything of the sort.
Must be the hangover. Although I am amused to see so many people talk about how they don't care so much that they're coming out if the woodwork to let us know how much they simply don't care.
Ugh.
Definitely a hangover. -
edit: random double post
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[quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1323085678' post='2863605']
Fair enough I can and do appreciate this post.
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I have difficulty telling whether or not you were serious when you were accusing anyone of having a desperate need to appear relevant. To be fair my judgment is slightly impaired at the moment, but if you were, then the irony is quite staggering.
I mean, you'll have to do a lot more to get an apology from me then just tossing out random assumptions and self-delusions, you know? It kind of makes me wish you were capable of something other than relying on your own self-made image of your own ability when it comes to responding to critics.
But as I have said, my judgmwent is slight impaired at the moment, so if I misunderstood what you were trying to say, tjen I apologize. Otherwise I won't. Honestly.
Oh well, have fun in this war, Brehon. I'm sure you can manage that much, at the very least.
Heh. Desperate need for relevance. I will certainly give that one points for originality, if not accuracy. -
[quote name='Stonewall Jaxon' timestamp='1323055896' post='2862988']
I still haven't seen you present a comprehensive logical narrative or analysis; all you've done is insult Brehon. Do you really have a story that varies heavily from the story as Brehon presented it? If so, please elaborate, and try to incorporate the term "soft power" if possible.
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Well, yes, that is, in fact, all I have done.
But since I don't need to pad wording, I'll simply phrase my opinion of events thusly:
Rather than allowing treaty chains to proceed in a way guaranteed to favor the Grudge Coalition, this is an attempt to cause treaty chains to fall in based on an NPO-centered conflict that would draw in CnG swiftly, thus keeping those alliances occupied while SF and it's own heavy hitters come to bat in order to assist the Polars.
While, if you actually read what I said (you did, right?), I pointed out that Brehon's viewpoint was valid, it simply didn't take into account that if another alliance fit the bill other than Pacifica, then they would have been hit instead. Brehon just outright assumed that the strike itself was about Pacifica as the basis for his reasoning, which I think is incorrect since...well...yeah. I guess if Fark really did operate in a vacuum and would make ridiculous leaps of logic, then sure, I guess he could be right about this really being a grudge match.
But I always operate under the assumption that people are intelligent until proven otherwise.
[i]That being said[/i], the major flaw of this perspective is that it assumes that those who would undergo such a strategy would be betting that people would just tuck their thumbs into their pockets and follow the treaty chains like falling dominoes. It's not really a flaw in the analysis, per se, but a flaw in such a strategy.
Once again, my critique of Brehon's analysis was his assumption that the "grudge match" was the root cause of the declaration, rather than taking into account the context of it. He limited his reasoning to a vacuum, which tends to be a fatal flaw in any attempt at deduction.
Also "soft power". We cool? -
Have fun, guys!
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[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1323052906' post='2862945']
Your whole point about how I supposedly burned you revolves around how I joined NSO only to sell you out. I did no such thing, although I'm amused that you've held a grudge against me for so long without me realising it.
[/quote]Um...who said that?
I didn't. I just said you burned me when I stuck my neck out for your sake. I never actually went into details, but if that's how you remember it, then maybe I forgot something too? -
[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1323052064' post='2862919']
Believe it or not I don't follow everything that happens in NSO. I didn't know you had switched boards recently. Frankly though I know my own history better than you do. I remember you tried to talk me into joining NSO, I even had talks with some of your guys on IRC, but then I decided not to. I dare you to provide any evidence to the contrary. IRC logs, anything you like.
In the end though, it doesn't matter. I don't much care. You don't like me for whatever reason. That's fine. I don't have a particularly high opinion of you either.
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The story of your time here is one of people giving you chances only to get nothing but barbs in return, Fran.
That the only thing you're disputing is whether or not you were ever an NSO member (oh how terrible!) rather than the fact that you burned me and I got burned on your behalf is kind of telling. Well, whatever, it's nice to see some things never change.
You're really the only person Ive ever truly looked down upon in Cybernations, Fran. The only one. And the only one I've ever really had a true grudge against. The only one.
Continue to talk about how you don't care, though, Fran. That kind of narcissism was always, has always, and always will, be your problem. I hope to god maybe someday you'll outgrow it and have a happy life, because narcissism is a very lonely thing. Have fun in real life, Fran. -
[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1323051305' post='2862891']
I didn't. Link me to my application on your boards, you won't find it.
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How clever of you since we've just switched boards and have none of that kind of thing to link to...?
Yeah, you're obsessed with being in the right all the time. I get it. If you're going to go and talk about how you have no regrets, don't be annoyed when someone points out a grudge they still have unresolved against you. Well, I wouldn't really call it a grudge at that point, more like a lingering headache.
I'm far from the only person you've burned and then forgot it ever happened in favor of your next crusade, and frankly I don't feel like going through the effort of trying to meet some kind of burden of proof to accuse you of anything. It's been 2 years since, and I honestly just don't like you. That's what happened, I've said what I wanted to say, and now I can look forward to the soon to come day where I can finally not have any more reminders of how much of a headache you've caused me when browsing these forums.
Have fun in real life, Fran. -
[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1323050561' post='2862872']
I have no idea what you are talking about. I have never joined NSO as either Francesca or Kalasin. Do you have me confused with someone else?
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You did for 3 weeks back in 2009 or so, right before you rerolled. A pretty ugly 3 weeks it was for me.
But...yeah, Im really not that surprised you don't remember. Youre not the type to. -
Its sad to see you go, Fran, but you are going to go and take up a real life, and having done that myself over and over again over the years I cant really say anything but "good job".
But during your time in the NSO your temper and pride came back to bite me in the ass so many, many times with people who put their trust in me, and then you left the alliance, with me holding the bag. You have never apologized, and honestly, Im not looking for one.
So while you may be leaving in a classy manner, and you certainly are upgrading your investment of time, I don't wish you anything except to not come back. You give me a headache, and every time you come to mind you always will.
Good luck in real life, Francesca, I hope you don't look back.
Yeah, I can be petty too outside of acting. What a shock. -
[quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1323025345' post='2862418']
As for TehChron and Kalasin:
Keep up the good work. It's every day I thank Admin you two aren't in Pacifica and remind me of everything I hate about CN know it all wannabes like you two. Its not a matter of being intelligent or not intelligent. It is not the frustrated school teachers in you about grammar or spelling. It is the fact you actually think, believe and promote you are intelligent and have any sort of prominence in the game. For keeping yourselves in the know and on the cusp as you imply with your posts, you two are completely lost, condescending and generally pathetic. Each of you does such a great disservice to your alliance it causes me to feel immediate pity for them and simple loathing for you.
I gave a simple example, I didn't say it was "why", I said it was what I could see. I could see validity in it, I could see cause and reason. To say otherwise is fooling yourself. I never played victim (are you seriously going back to that one, get new material Fran, don't make me actually take some time to completely own you again, walk away). I don't believe in victims.
So while I can understand your need to give me crap, I am simply not going to acknowledge either of you from this point, so enjoy the blathering of your bs.
[/quote]Here's the irony, Brehon. I don't have any connections, or informants, or any of that nonsense.
I get by on the same thing you do, reasoning skills. Accusing me of an inflated sense of importance, or worth is laughable to anyone that pays attention, and just further belies how you let your assumptions determine reality for you. Now then, do your alliance a favor and keep your mouth shut before you shove your foot in there anymore. This is a good thing for them and they deserve better than to see you ruin it for them by acting like a toad at the bottom of the well.
[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1323027929' post='2862442']
Having them both on ignore does wonders, they're not worth anyone's time (not a hurrdurr they're irrelevant post, mainly they are terrible at civil debate)
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Are you still seriously carrying a grudge over that time I called you a blatant hypocrite during BiPolar? That's sad. I wasn't even being serious, and told you as much. Besides, civil debate is boring, everyone always loves to romanticize jousting matches, but really its only two guys on horseback trying to ram each other with long poles to see who falls off first.
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[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1322995231' post='2862117']
Quite so.
Whether or not Fark's move really will change the treaty web or result in a different outcome for them in this war, I am glad they did this because it was a surprising move which alleviated a little of the monotony of this community. Frankly though if they're hoping this will swing things in their favour, it won't. I'm not sure FAN cares though.
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[i]sigh[/i]
See, this is what people find so annoying. First you ask clarification on what exactly the move constitutes, and then a little bit afterwards you act like you know exactly what you were talking about all along. Frankly speaking, you're no better than Brehon.
You've completely misread what Ive been saying this entire time. Fark's move is [i]not[/i] about changing the treaty web. It's far more cynical and short-term than that. Sheesh.
Why do people like to project motives around here, rather than just analyze the facts of the situation and figure out what explanation fits the pattern that the facts present? Enjoying the breath air is fresh and all, but that kind of sentiment rings hollow if you don't recognize the act for what it is. Now I may be wrong, and therefore making my statement ironic, but the sentiment itself is still right, at least.
So, Fran, a little service. When coming to a conclusion, assume that the people acting are intelligent enough to plan out the repercussions of their actions. In that light, how on earth does this move translate into changing the treaty web? Please explain that conclusion of yours. -
[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1322993975' post='2862101']
I say precisely what I think on these forums. That doesn't win me many friends, a fact of which I am well aware. Decide for yourself how accurate you think my analysis is.
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Well, I think it's less your ability to place your foot in your mouth and moreso your ability to burn people that stick their neck out for you that reflects badly on you, Fran. That being said, this discussion isnt about you, it's about...Oh look,
[quote]I've been pondering this move for 24 hours now, and I still can't figure out why FARK & friends chose this route. [/quote]They forgot that some people can pick their friends. Well, it's certainly a different tact, but it was definitely more appealing than the railroad that had already been prepared ahead of time.
Nothing to do now but see how the dominoes fall from here on out. Heh. -
[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1322991582' post='2862068']
I saw him in action over a long period. He was very probably the most all-around competent operative the NPO had throughout his time there, and he was certainly their best emperor. I think he's less remembered than Moo and Ivan because he was significantly less notorious than the two of them. This is for the very good reason that he was able to keep the NPO in good position while generating a minimum amount of dislike toward that alliance, an impressive accomplishment for such a active, realpolitik alliance, and one that Moo and Ivan were unable to achieve themselves.
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Er...While you may be right in Moo's case, Ivan actively curried dislike towards the NPO's hyperpower state in the leadup to the GPW. Ivan, were that his style, is very much capable of keeping on good terms with friends and allies.
And there's nothing certain about Dilber being the best Pacifican Emperor. His reign, as was Ivan's, had it's successes built upon the labors of his support staff. The fact that only a few people got my Mighty Pump reference a few days ago serves to further illustrate my point.
What im getting at largely is this; Dilber did the Order just as well as IE as he did it while the actual Emperor. Ivan, however, gave the NPO and it's culture a solid foundation and personality. That's something that Dilber, for all his skills, simply has never been able to do.
Youre welcome to your opinion, though.
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[quote name='Doitzel' timestamp='1323587602' post='2873607']
If they had any they wouldn't be trying to make their war declarations about haiku.
Haiku! Haha! So cute and funny!
Do you feel nauseous? No? Just me then.
also, hello
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They got someone who's a legend at being terrible, if that counts.