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It just takes people willing to play this as a game and (gasp) not a hugglefest.

You could ask your protectorate if they want help.

Great, good to know!

Can you move Mars/Moon wonders the day you buy them?

No one seems to want to do math here. This decision is easy. 6M/100 tech nets a tech seller 4.25M for every tech deal (that tech is about 1.75M so you profit 4.25M). This is $1,000,000 a day in profit (5 aid slots, 5*4.25/20) If you are buying tech, you are sending an average of $1,500,000/day. What this means is that when you transition from selling to buying tech, your daily cash flow drops $2,500,000 - the lost income from selling and extra expenses from buying - this is large portion of most nations income at 3999 infra. So, if you are at 3999 infra and netting 2.7M a day after bills ignoring tech deals you: Net 3.7M when selling tech Net 1.2M when buying* Assuming you are buying wonders, those both go down by another 1M a day (the early wonders are all about 1M per day cost). So in your case, if you start buying tech, your nation growth is basically going to stop while you slowly get wonders (which add more income)- or you won't use all your aid slots and be inefficient at it. **note you get back up to 10% your infra bills by having enough tech and there's a 2 happiness increase from 100-200 tech, this is only $200k or so at 3999 infra and no where near the difference Also, fixing your trade circle is probably more important than this entire discussion.

You got lucky, hahahaha. I'm around.... and mostly not around :)

Now... that's a name I've not seen in quite some time :)

Prior to this thread, I only had him on ignore. But I just added Neo Ururk, too, which makes this thread hilarious to read.

Generally saying the equivalent of, "we'll let you tech raid us as an alliance" is not really the most "don't war us" stance you can take..

A whole bunch of opportunistic people getting pounded for hitting what they thought were unprotected nations for the hell of it. The funny thing is, this applies to both sides. Except one group of opportunistic folks is going to get it much, much, worse than the other.

See the part which you clearly don't understand is that for the past 7 years, there has been an entirely unknown part to this world which your alliance has avoided. This is sometimes referred to as politics, an arena where how an alliance is perceived actually matters because it affects things like oh how likely your alliance is to get rolled or other such things. You are completely inexperienced in this world of politics, yet have taken no care while charging in headfirst like a bull in a china shop. You don't seem to believe your actions are having the opposite effect of your intent yet rather than trying to understand or correct this you persist in trying to convince the world of your inexperience/ignorance of the political world and at the same time lamenting how unfair this cruel world is.

I hope for your sake it won't hurt too bad when reality catches up to you.

I don't even know where to start with this pile of ridiculousness. Let's start with your inability to understand how damage and warchests are related. You keep throwing this 200k NS claim, which is frankly stupid for several reasons. First of all, if you look at the nations who declared on you, all of them are at or nearly above their prewar NS amounts over the week in war with you, with the exception of Timmehhh - who is simply an inexpensive infra buy away from returning to where he was at. Which means when you tote this 200k NS claim it's completely meaningless because the nations you did it too actually were gaining NS fighting. Your net damage was minimal to DBDC (not just you, either, as most of them were in multiple wars). But let's pretend this didn't happen and you did actually drop your DBDC opponents by 200k NS over the weeks of war. Your claim of being able to do this still shows foolishness because they all have the ability to rebuy their losses nearly instantly. Your 200k NS damage was not permanent damage, because you never removed their cash reserves, which means in one month, it's not even going to matter how much damage you did as everyone will be at or above their pre-war NS levels. Meanwhile your nation will take years to return to where you were prior to this war. This brings me to another point on warchests. You don't seem to realize one of the primary value in warchests is sustainability in a war and ability to rebuy at the end of it. DBDC will not be affected by your crusade. You (and anyone in GOP/DBDC without a meaningful warchest - hopefully the rest of your alliance mates who have equally had their nations destroyed have more than you) will be permanently affected and be feeling the damage of this war for a long, long time. And yet you are going around acting super proud of it. lol. By parading your clear misunderstanding of the above on the OWF you are convincing others you have no clue how war works in CN. Sure you might be able to fight well individually but your understanding of the long term implications of war is completely and utterly inaccurate. Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. You also don't seem to get that TDO was attacked almost assuredly because they demonstrated incompetence as an alliance, for example allowing people to raid them and not even responding as an alliance. Not "just because they were neutral" - they were neutral and clearly incompetent as an alliance. You are kidding yourself if you thought people cared enough about you to attack you prior to this. Especially since you aren't even neutral in the CN sense, being a protectorate and all. Prior to your act of political grandstanding, you had minimal risk of being attacked because no one cared about you. However... you as an alliance have been parading around on the OWF convincing others you also have no clue how politics work in CN. GOP for whatever reason are convinced all this posturing and patting yourself on the back and destroying the top tier of your alliance is good for your alliance overall security. You felt threatened? I'll give you that. But what you blatantly did not consider was the obvious outcome of making people more likely to rogue/attack you in the future. Because now you the GOP has collectively convinced a great many people of its incompetence as an alliance in understanding the political world of CN. Is this fair to most of GOP, that their leader is on a campaign to convince the rest of the world of his naivety? No, probably not, but that's just how this political environment works. I don't even know why I bother to write this. Maybe, just maybe, you'll pull your head out of the sand.

Isn't it great people have such fundamental differences in opinion which actually causes interesting things to happen in CN? This game would die if everyone had the same perspective.

Grub, Crymson, Schatt, and Sardonic are not terrible posters by any stretch of the imagination. And trust me, I've had my share of disagreements with them over the years. If anything, personalities like theirs are the only thing keeping CN politics alive, and by extension, this game.

Interesting to see this come true.

You misunderstood me. Your alliance actions (and Rooman33's posting) are the primary cause for DBDC gaining more nations. Pointless political grandstanding and a leader who insists on posting foolishly on the OWF does not help your cause in the slightest bit for many of us sitting on the sideline watching.

You guys are doing a heck of a lot more recruiting towards that cause than DBDC could ever do themselves.

.... failed what? If your simple standard for success in CN is "having nations on an AA" then, well.

Get better allies, stop being untrustworthy and irresponsible, or join a better alliance. Honestly. I'm super inactive in the political realm and still know what my allies are up to.

Soldier efficiency is what determines this.

People actually care about aid being sent like that? I mean, if someone is ZIed and broke then I get it but tech deals, it's not like it really matters.

This is pretty funny to me.

Who were you in a previous life.

No it wasn't mpol. There was some other guy during that time.