mhawk
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That might very well happen and if you're bent on taking that route then I suppose we'll see. But my gut instinct is that it either won't happen or that it won't reach the threshold for it to actually matter or bother DH.
We have no desire to take it that route. They could offer honorable terms and the war would be over tonight, that choice however is not for us to make. The more they make terms like 95% or more in warmode for 30 days or deal off makes peace less likely.
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This analysis is rather naive in the assumption the initial dh alliances constituted the total threat to alliances that are fighting against the DH aggressors. As is apparent by the entry of TOP, VE, FOK, ODN, Athens, LOST, and NoR, there were many alliances that supported this unprovoked attack. The political calculation that DH would not have engaged in so brazen a crime without support of a broad coalition of thugs was accurate from the outset.
To those posting above, the main cost to DH will not come from supporting lower tier nations. Those costs are negligible compared to the political and moral cost to upholding an endless war by demanding completely unreasonable terms to an enemy that hit for the sketchiest of reasoning. This is not something that will be quickly measurable, but in time will cost them more than any amount of damage we could have directly inflicted.
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3a. This period of 30 days will begin when less than 5% of the order are in peace mode, and no one above 80K NS is in peace mode.
This term makes everything pretty much unacceptable. Over 95% of a 500 man alliance must be in warmode before the clock starts, and they can't re enter or deal is off? You guys are pathetic on nearly every level.
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Okay cool so you don't have an answer and are deflecting. Thanks for your input.
Not a deflection, I don't feel like rehashing several years of history you could easily look up on the wiki. You'd do well to research before spouting such confident statements as the op and subsequent replies.
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Explain this strategic loss in detail please. I keep seeing it referred to in the forums, but I'm not seeing its nature.
Posts usually reference it to a loss of allies, a loss of patience, or some sort of public support backlash, but I don't see a train of logic to facilitate this line of reasoning.
As someone who has rode that train, I think it is best experienced.
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94.5% of Nordreich nations are not in peace mode. With 119 individual battles currently being fought, we have an average war-per-member count of 0.66. If the NPO's high-end nations were to come out, I would expect that number to rise to 2 or more in a very short time.
Yay! Fun with numbers!
The irony
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This is the sort of constructive post I'm looking for.
Okay that given, I'm of the opinion that Doomhouse is not threatened by a year long trench war. Our allies' income exceeds their expenses, we're growing at an absurd rate, and at this rate, NPO and friends will become essentially a permanent tech-raid. Obviously, my opinion is a little biased by my successes since the creation of my nation, and I don't have any inside info whatsoever what our allies income actually is to say for sure whether or not we can be sustained indefinitely in such a manner as I claim. I believe, however, that what we're going to see as this conflict progresses is a plateau in the losses that we are taking, which is already possibly starting to occur, and a shift of our resource pooling and slot efficiency to mutual exchange. Once we no longer need full aid bombs to maintain our wars, slots are freed up for tech exchanges, further decreasing ally outgoing losses and easing morale by supplementing their aid with a tangible reward as we're able to start sending tech in exchange.
That's a pretty huge best case scenario though.
You're focusing too much on near term and monetary costs. There is a harder to calculate strategic loss when carrying out extended wars for no reason.
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This is true, but it also serves to show how long the average peace moder has been in peace mode and why. Most of our people in peace mode entered it at some point recently and have already fought in this war, while most of yours haven't.
Fighting in the open during an ambush isn't very productive all that often.
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It is interesting that Umbrella makes up almost 50% of DH's total ns.
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Banksy (the other guy IIRC), estimated all of DH at 18%, not MK.
Oh you're gonna make me nerd war this..
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Thanks. My estimate of 50% MK ns in pm was pretty close to your figure of 48%. Take that guy that said 18% and other person who called my estimate ridiculous.
I still think the % NS in peacemode argument is flawed. Mostly in the fact that as time goes on, those in pm will make up a larger % of total NS on the losing side. An alliance could attack with 97% of its NS and 6-8 weeks of war later have 90% of their total NS in PM, without a single nation changing to pm besides the few that sat at the start.
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I do not see what about the terms offered to the Order are extortion. As far as I know, there weren't any reparations figures asked of them. You might want to rethink your word choice when trying to make your points.
My word choice when it comes to YOU is all I need to rethink. What YOU do and have done is disgusting and shameful.
GOONS attacked an alliance and got counter attacked for that direct action. Demanding several billion in addition to 4 weeks of war with no peacemode fits my definition of extortion.
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This isn't really the way I wanted to go with this, but I'll bite.
You're appealing to a facsimile of international law, chiefly what political scientists refer to as the Indivisibility of Peace; An attack on one or a group being an attack on the society as a whole. The flaw in that reasoning is that there is a significant power vacuum in the political reality of Digiterra that results in an anarchic system of inter-alliance affairs. No one gets to write the rules of right and wrong except those that can enforce them, even if you can establish that they're some intrinsic set of values.
This isn't to try to argue that GOONS or Doomhouse abides by some sort of Might Makes Right theory of justice. It is also a very fine line between preemption for security and paranoia. However, within the context of an anarchic system of inter-alliance affairs, solutions to conflicts can involve a variety of controls. Arms control is obviously out of the picture in the context of the current state of affairs. A policy of unlimited self-defense is closer to what actually currently exists and is the context in which we wage this war. It was, very plainly, necessary for our alliance security that this war occur. We made a decision to protect ourselves while we had the initiative and opportunity, and frankly it's paying off.
I think you've clouded my very frank strategic assessment with some fancy albeit irrelevant terminology. Fact is the longer a side upholds a war, unless for incredibly compelling reasons (something akin to the /b/ attacks ect) the more at risk they put themselves overall. At some point the damage you do your enemy will begin to be surpassed by the damage your extortion/demands will do to your pr/strategic position. Over the course of a long enough road of such actions, you will find yourself at the bottom end of a "preemption for security".
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The reason your war is distasteful is that you are seeking such massive damage to an alliance that had no choice in the war. You guys are aggressors. You state NPO has suffered massive damage and fought, but that isn't good enough. You jumped them and knocked off 50% their NS... Not good enough for you. You guys want their last remaining NS and turn them into a crater for the flimsiest of reasons. The cited reasons you entered against NPO are over - Polar peaced out, and the unprecedented scale of reps that took a year to pay for Karma. Your alliance is a pack of criminals and in due time when the might of your allies is all that holds you up now, that will fade as their power fades. Your war is unjust, your cause is dubious and wrong. The resolve of criminals to carry out their crime should never be a subject of praise, but rather warning call to all rational individuals to prepare.
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I don't believe avalon declared on Goons specifically. You'd have to check their dow.
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Yeah, TPF is not at war with fan currently.
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Unfortunately, it's still a Mac. Seriously, though, I get enough Mac propaganda from my father-in-law, who spent $1500 on an all-in-one a month ago and still can't get it connected to his printer.
Mac users, Scientologists and Ayn Rand enthusiasts have one thing in common. They're absolutely impervious to reason.
Hey I'll admit I've drank the koolaid, but once you have a case with no wires, easily add up to 64gig of ram and 8tb hhd, you'll never go back
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There is a thing or two I bet you'd like about a mac pro. Biggest thing for me was internally there are no wires, just bays to replace all the components.
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LOST's MDP with goons was activated. LOST activated their MA with the rest of CnG.
That's as straight forward a way to enter a war as you will see... ever.
Aside from NPO's getting hit out of the blue from DH with no coherent CB?
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I was in Continuum government and I saw how some of the alliances used the weight of the entire hegemonic treaty web to attack alliances with little to no CB and protect themselves from the consequences. Yes, all the alliances may have had alternative blocs as well, but the weight of Continuum and secondarily those other blocs was what let Valhalla roll into BAPS.
I love those bapsters and their gov will agree with me that the war between val/ely/tpf and baps had one of the strongest cb's one could ever find. I don't think I'd characterize it as little to no cb and using Q to protect ourselves.
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The point is to carry a weapon at all times incase preppy animals come along to make a bad situation worse.
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Just as an aside mathematically, it must be nearly impossible to declare and fight someone with 20x your tech, unless one of you has like 1 tech and the other has 20...
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Thank you for sharing your fruit-fly level analysis.
Thank you for making me the weird guy that laughs at text on the computer.
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"i feel C&G/SF and friends have the moral high ground in this conflict no matter what they deem as acceptable to end it"
equals, "anything that can be imaginable is acceptable."
Then you go on to lecture about "we're not bad because what other people did was worse".
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and before you call them the new NPO or demand "karma" just remember who attacked who and pay attention to the number of viceroys and govt change demands ect...
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However, by stating that one side would be on the moral highground regardless if they imposed viceroys, multi year reparations, or disbandment -such things are included under "no matter what they deem as acceptable", you completely trivialize the whole post. Perhaps a condensed statement of "I think I'm right because I'm on their side" would have covered your thoughts just as thoroughly.
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