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[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1283117418' post='2435003'] That depends on what you mean by uninvolved. If you answer this I will answer you. Did you intend abandoning your allies in that war and not entering? [/quote] at the time of the attack, we were not in conflict therefore, we were uninvolved bystanders sure, at some point later we may have jumped in, but at the time, we were not in the heat of battle we were attacked for no reason, and unjustly, therefore we required reps for wrongful damages if you werent so biased, youd say this makes sense

[quote name='Qazzian' timestamp='1281447446' post='2409584'] [img]http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad126/Qazzian/lolnoCB.jpg[/img] And I admit, I laughed at Davian's [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=90416&view=findpost&p=2408993]post[/url] [/quote] As the original creator of that sig, I'm offended by your perversion of that signature, and wouldn't be surprised if you weren't actually here for that war. The situation is completely different and you must have completely missed my intent. Please, consider the original artist when altering a work. At least make it sensible.

[quote name='aaannndddyyy' date='19 April 2010 - 08:05 PM' timestamp='1271732731' post='2267313'] Pip is meh. Thought it'd be awesome since there are quite a few that are good at making art/graphics. Not terrible though. [/quote] Guys, aaannndddyyy doesn't like our pip. Maybe that's why he left right before the war started. We should probably change it to appease him.

[quote name='Letum' date='06 April 2010 - 09:35 PM' timestamp='1270614883' post='2251307'] I am sorry to burst your bubble, but somebody saying "you are only disagreeing with me because this is a misinformation plot by NPO to make themselves look as the victims" is not an argument. No counter-argument has been made in favour of "more tech available equals less of a burden to give a part of it away". It has simply been stated as an axiom. On the other hand, I have provided the argument that having more total tech available has zero effect on the ability to produce more (given the economic-preconditions which, as stated, are present), the "burden" of a reps agreement essentially means the amount of time and effort put into producing the required amounts, and therefore, increased overall levels do not translate to less of a burden to give out the same amount of tech. To counter that theory, you would have to either show how more total tech = more production ability, or show that the burden is not equal to time and effort. So far, this has not been displayed, and it has nothing to do with me sticking my fingers in my ears. I have no desire to ignore any counter-arguments, and even suggested some other factors that might come into play (such as size). If anyone wants to debate this matter without making constant references to the tag I wear, they are more than welcome to do so. Also, to answer your analogy: if you paid careful attention to my argument, I stated that for it to work, an alliance has to develop to a certain economic level, a "floor" that most alliances today have. (Namely, the point where you are constrained not by how much a nation collects, but by slot number.) If there were no limits on aid, then there would be no "floor" to hit; however, since there are slot limits then it is easy to point out that an alliance at the time you refer to did not have the infrastructure to fund reparations production of this level. And even so, in comparison 20m is pretty low, even for the economic levels that existed. After all, it did not take a year to come up with it. [/quote] You're making the exact same arguments we are. We're arguing proportionality, whereas you argue time. You've provided NO "evidence" as to why time is any better a gauge for reparations than proportionality, whereas there's a logical argument in that damage done during war should reflect the reparations paid.

[quote name='Branimir' date='05 April 2010 - 03:07 PM' timestamp='1270505218' post='2249600'] Was fun seeing Letum destroy Denial, btw. [/quote] I'm not sure that repeating "quantity of reps determine harshness" whilst sticking fingers in his ears and ignoring any other argument constitutes "destroying", tbqh. I mean, if he really believes that, then the first amount of reps ever requested for a global war during surrender negotiations should be the "standard" by which all reps are determined, which, as I recall, were somewhere along the lines of 20 million. So either ever amount of reps after that are draconian, or LUE was just the most kind alliance in the history of the world.

[quote name='flak attack' date='05 April 2010 - 10:33 AM' timestamp='1270488821' post='2249285'] You forgot the part where the guy in the suit stabs the guy that's trying to get everyone to calm down and be reasonable. [/quote] And the part where, you know, the analogy makes sense and isn't a biased, slanted point of view from someone who got the short end of the stick from the aforementioned scenario.

[quote name='Methrage' date='05 April 2010 - 01:31 AM' timestamp='1270456251' post='2248895'] You don't need to continue warring TOP if its continuing because Gremlins are being retards. I think Gremlins understand everyone has a right to peace out whenever they want and don't need to continue fighting this war for them. I don't think what I said meant everyone doesn't want peace, just that it reflects on everyone still fighting they haven't taken right steps to ending it. If you think Gremlins are being retards and saying that then obviously you do want peace, but you're going along with what an alliance you think is being retarded rather than what you want. I don't know who wants peace and who doesn't still at war with TOP, but it wouldn't surprise me if this focus on Gremlins now holding it up is just being used as a distraction from all the attention CnG got for holding the war up before. I won't accuse you of that as I don't know whats going on behind the scenes with this, but good luck sorting it out. [/quote] You do realize the war is over for everyone except Gremlins, right?

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I think people forget how you jumped into the fire with both us and your allies in Polar during the noCB War. We in the Kingdom remember your distaste for pixels. No better time to shed them than to defend your allies from an unsupported and unprovoked attack, neh? Once again, we in the Kingdom are eternally grateful for your support, both militarily and in spirit. To most in the Kingdom, you rank amongst our best allies, and it is your selflessness on the field of combat and your honor which never falters which gives these people a strong argument. May we be able to help and protect you in the future, and repay our debts to you (or, rather, may we never have to help each other ever again). Za Sibir'!

Excuse me, Mr. Jones, but aren't you the one who claimed that the road to true prosperity was pacifism not two months ago?

I'm sorry that we are on opposite sides of this conflict. I have the utmost respect for your alliance, and am proud to call you allies. I'm sorry this war has brought a rift in between us, and I hope that the friendship our alliances have will not die because of this war. Suffice to say, I'm disappointed this situation could not have worked out in a better way. G'luck to the combatants. It sucks when two alliances I respect try to blow each other up.

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I hate to argue with you, but I doubt many people would say that TOP won the game at any point in time. To say they stood on top of the mountain for a bit and sniffed at glory might be true, but to say you won the game is slightly ridiculous, in my opinion.

Dear Archon: Thank you. Thank you for being our leader. Thank you for allowing us the honor of following you in this browser-based game. You did it. You won the game. You won CyberNations, the game that cannot be won. You did not win it like Moo did. You did not suppress or conquer CyberNations through conquest. You won the respect of every individual who plays this game and has an ounce of sense or recognition for greatness. Archon, you have pulled us through it all. I have been in the Mushroom Kingdom for over two years. I joined shortly after we finished paying reparations from the Unjust War. I joined in a community that did not know if it would exist tomorrow. Because of this, we bound together toward one goal: to one day being lifted from the diplomatic blacklist that we were so unjustly and unreasonably put on. To this end, we knew that we would need to take on the New Pacific Order. To this end, we knew we would one day face the world. And face the world we did. We faced the Hegemony head-on in a decisive battle that we had no chance of winning. And because of this, we cultured an environment that did not care about the game. Rather, we were a community that existed outside the game, but still played it in unity. Of course, we lost that war. We went on to win the bigger one, however. Karma: the war that was to change it all. However, after the conclusion of Karma, the treaty web was once again polarized. Definitive sides were forming, sides that revealed themselves in the wake of The War That Was Not: the Blue Balls War. After the dust of that conflict settled, it looked as though CyberNations was heading into a cold war. Then again, sometimes, things take an unexpected turn for the worse. With the outbreak of the \m/oralist War, the Kingdom found itself in a political position that was the opposite of what we had become accustomed to in the Dark Ages. Rather than finding ourselves without friends and against the world, we found ourselves with too many friends and against friends. You took this situation and deftly turned it to our advantage. You mediated between our allies. You took the brunt of trolling and attacks on the Kingdom. “Why do you not protect your allies? Why did you sign too many treaties?” Yet you knew that our strength came from what they decried. You realized the political clout you held with our allies and friends was our greatest strength. And with this power and influence, you, among others, bartered peace between old friends. And if it were not for the mistakes of other alliances and other leaders, that would have been the end of it. But that will not be the case. The opposite side of the treaty web made the mistake to attack us directly, and for no good reason other than that we are a threat. If history has taught you anything, Archon, it is that you do not stop an enemy in the middle of making a mistake. Now, the sides that were meant to be in The War That Was Not have formed, but this time, the scales are largely in our favor. Archon, for the years that I've served under you, I've wondered why not every member in CyberNations would want to be in the alliance that you lead. And now, if more people are not wondering that same question, I'd be shocked. You took the worst diplomatic position that the Kingdom had been in for a long time and you turned it into a huge advantage. You deftly made one of the greatest political moves in the history of this game. And for that, I thank you. Thank you for being worthy of the dedication your members give you. Thank you for being everything we think of you to be, and more. Thank you for winning the game for us. To our allies in Complaints and Grievances: Thank you for standing by us through the Dark Ages. Without your support, dedication, and willingness to sacrifice yourself for your friends, we are now one of the premiere blocs of CyberNations. If, at our inception, people had said we would reach this level of influence within the time that we have, the world would have scoffed. Thank you for helping us prove them wrong. To SirWilliam: Thank you for being our Princess and our voice. Without you, Archon would have a much harder time controlling his alliance. To MagicalTrevor: I'm sorry we give you so much flak. I'm sure that without you, this diplomatic victory would have been impossible. Much credit goes to you for that. To the rest of the High Lords: You are the best at what you do. You are what allow us in the Mushroom Kingdom retain our smugness. You justify our arrogence. To the general public of the Kingdom: We, in my opinion, truly are the greatest community that's spawned from this game. We are a diverse crowd that is able to put aside differences and focus on our long-term goals. We are the foundation of one of the greatest alliances CyberNations has ever seen. To our allies and friends elsewhere: Thank you for everything you have done for us. Thank you for letting bygones be bygones and focusing on the big picture and the true threats. Without you, we would be fighting amongst ourselves, rather than focusing on those who wish us harm. To AlmightyGrub: I hold much respect for you, and am proud to call you an ally. You stood up for what you believe in, but were able to put differences aside when we really needed it. Without you, this war would not be the unified effort it is right now. To those friends on the opposite side of the treaty web: Enjoy the fight. Remember that it's a game. Let's have fun with it. To those we are fighting: Someone on your side made a mistake. For this, I am sorry. May Admin have mercy on your soul, for Archon, our god-king, will have none. To CyberNations: We are the Mushroom Kingdom. We won this game. Thank you for your undying love and adoration.

It really should be "Extraordinarily Fine Gentlemen", lest propaganda I made go to waste.