Jesse End

Oh those numbers? Those ones show that our 50k+ NS nations alone have lost more NS than NSO has lost as a whole, and our alliance has lost more than NSO's total size on Nov 1. Those numbers?

Sure, go for it. If they're anything like the last bunch of your numbers, they won't be anywhere close to accurate.

Maybe the alliances hitting us suck more. I mean, we've declared twice as many wars on NpO as they've declared on us.

There you go with estimates and guessing again. You're not learning, are you? Let's see if you can get it this time: try using actual factual numbers Our starting 50k+ nations have lost 48% of the total alliance losses, while being 30% of the alliance by number. Oh we know, you won't be satisfied until we're completely destroyed. So yet again, not really looking like a good idea for us to accept any kind of terms.

*sigh* Ok, I know you're having trouble with this actual numbers thing, but let me quote from another one of my posts just 3 pages ago. On October 21, 2013, NPO had 106 nations above 50k NS, which is now down to 39 nations. That means we currently have 37% of our 50k+ NS pre-war nations. edit: I looked at some other stats, and on Nov 1, we had 107 nations above 50k, so it's actually 36%.

Our pre-war strength was 12,575,310 NS Our current strength is 6,216,508 NS That means we've lost over half of our pre-war strength. Avoiding damage, huh? Funny how this 'actual numbers' thing works.

Incapable of taking them? Lol what? Look at the post immediately above yours. We've taken terms worse than anybody else, ever. edit: Banks are obsolete. Our banks are a threat. Gotcha.

That's odd, I fought 20 wars during that and I had to send out over 6,200 tech, because I was deemed one of the reps payers by our terms-enforcers.

Well, if you're going to bring up the same reason in every war in the past 5 years, there's not much incentive for us to accept terms. I mean, we're just going to get attacked and given the same terms again 6 months from now for the same 6 year old reason. OOC: If we were in an alternate universe, it would be comparable to using Roman actions 2500 years ago for justification to attack Britain now.

It's quite hypocritical for a winning alliance to be complaining about a losing alliance's use of peace mode when the former has more of their alliance in peace mode than the latter.

Oh hey, think maybe bankers are nations who want to exist on Bob, but their activity level doesn't enable them to fight? You know, just as you said: our top tier always fights in as close to its entirety as member activity allows. Or are you perhaps unable to make this distinction yourself?

Let's play with some more actual numbers again! On November 2, 2013, TOP had 68 nations above 50k NS, which is now down to 59 nations. On October 21, 2013, NPO had 106 nations above 50k NS, which is now down to 39 nations. Therefore, TOP still has 87% of its 50k+ NS pre-war nations, and NPO only has 37% of its 50k+ NS pre-war nations.

I'm not complaining about being offered harsh terms. We haven't been offered terms at all.

Let's do the same thing with TOP Loli Loli Loli is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Bauhaus is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Kanto is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Malatose is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. GoGoGadgetNation is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/30/2013. Whiffle Land is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/30/2013. Lan Castor is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 11/2/2013. Ruushian is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 11/1/2013. Nation of Jenko is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 11/30/2013. Douala is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/30/2013. Crunch is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/30/2013. Stenzania is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/30/2013. Aishwarya is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/30/2013. Belegost is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/26/2013. Ragedom is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 11/1/2013. Procrastinator is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Roman Federation is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/30/2013. Teutonica is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Republic of Valinor is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Malinas is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Khesed is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Vakadonia is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Murmurandia is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Outer Heaven is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Gomorrah is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/30/2013. CaffeinatedContinent is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Hillbillia is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. Slapper Nation is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/30/2013. Nation of Amestris is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/18/2013. 3 Headed Monkey Land is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 11/1/2013. Nova Quintus is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 10/31/2013. TOP has 52 nations in war mode, 50 in peace mode for 49% in peace mode NPO has 202 nations in war mode, 87 in peace mode for 30% in peace mode Since you're here, let's also compare NPO -> NpO wars vs NpO -> NPO, just for fun 612 wars declared by Pacifica against Polar since Nov 3, 2013 330 wars declared by Polar against Pacifica since Nov 3, 2013

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1343091186' post='3013936'] I think his intent and them not wanting people to think they can freely post screens of their forum on here is what got him on the target list, it has nothing to do with whether he accomplished anything worthwhile with this topic. [/quote] That's pretty much it.

Weak, that's not even any of the cool stuff that U0 does

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1327219852' post='2904625'] It's not bandwagoning. I went to FAN last time. This time they used their paperless treaty with Fark. Were you guys not treatied to NSO? Moldavi Doctrine anyone? [/quote] Nice job jumping on one word of my post and ignoring the rest of it

[quote name='He Who Has No Name' timestamp='1327218289' post='2904612'] We were hunted mercilessly across this world and the next for [i]two years[/i] in a sadistic pogrom. We will [i]always[/i] have justification to level with NPO. [/quote] Wiki says 1.5 years, and that it ended 2.5 years ago. So you've been bandwagoning into attacks on us now for 2.5 years. FAN's gotta try to stay relevant somehow I guess, I'm proud to be part of what drives you to continue existing lol

[img]http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/medium/000/005/545/OpoQQ.jpg?1302279173[/img] Well, ok then.

[quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1296670942' post='2616357'] Fact: You were never once in the communication channel in which NPO/Karma alliances discussed these things. Fact: Soldier/tank/plane limits were routinely exceeded, and was endemic. Fact: You put FAN in a 2 year war over the things we let slide. Fiction: "Guess VE wouldn't know about that since the only experience they have is running and disbanding." Fact: The alliances that disbanded us, GGA, NPO, GOONShoving. Of the three, one is still here, and that one ain't doing too well right now. Fact: Hard to run when we're on the front lines, sticking it to Order after Order, making it so you just don't walk right for months and years afterward. [/quote] Fact: Soldier/tank/plane limits were rarely exceeded. Fact: VE did not use the communications forums set up by Athens. Fact: Ghost lists were posted on those forums. Fact: VE contacted me about a huge number of violations (iirc around 80 or so), and after receiving the list, I pointed out that all except for 1 or 2 were ghosts. The very few that were members were told to get in compliance or be expelled. Fact: VE refused to communicate with us on the joint communications forums, so in addition to using the communication forums, we had to copy everything and send as PMs on VEs forums. Fact: We were routinely attacked without being protected while under terms. Quite more often than terms violations. [quote]Fact: Hard to run when we're on the front lines, sticking it to Order after Order, making it so you just don't walk right for months and years afterward. [/quote] Thanks for the quote! You've proved the conspiracy theorists right.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1296279667' post='2608840'] Two days late, with four wars from three people. With them as a model it's no wonder the standards are so low. [/quote] They keep slipping and sliding on GOONs tears.

[quote name='Jaiar' timestamp='1296105446' post='2604653'] If they can get TOP to declare, they must be doing more under the skirt than just hiding. [/quote] LOL Best post ever.

o/ Pacifica

[quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1289901303' post='2514452'] Who, what, where? That didn't make a lot of sense. Please try again. [/quote] You said that if we did the same to iFOK, we'd 'be in so much trouble'. Did you even read your own post?

[quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1289898803' post='2514442'] How can you seriously type that after the SethB incident? I've seen the logs, if you did the same to an iFOK member what you did to Sethb, you would be in so much trouble. [/quote] In that case, I'm glad we had them forcing us back into the powers will instead of iFOK