Charles the Tyrant

NPO didn't burn for NSO. NPO burned because NPO were involved in the plot against Polar as were NG and NSO. And correct, TOP did misjudge NG's willingness to ditch IRON who knowingly betrayed NG and others for months in advance of the war which occurred. TOP and others assumed that NG would surely ditch the perpetrators of what was a terrible betrayal. TOP sadly underestimated the depths people will sink to in order to justify pixel security. Of course, old history now and such conduct has become quite the norm.

Speaks for itself.

So by that same line of logic, Petro spying on MI6 reflects upon all of Seppuku right? Even if Petro leaves gov, goes to another alliance, Seppeku is still the alliance to be held responsible since Petro was in gov. Does that make sense to you?

Let me ask you something. If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?

A stroll down memory lane for these of us who weren't born yet and a refresher for these of us who were. http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/index.php?showtopic=68553

I can't and wont presume to speak for Polar but I can assume it is because Polar, MI6 and so on are deliberately kept outside the power structure so as to provide a "target" allowing certain alliances to create coalitions with a common purposes. I am sure retired daj (best daj) will be along shortly to expand upon why Polar remains where it remains but I would guess because Polar appear to be one of the more "principled" AAs in this realm along with their traditional allies. The only time it really changes is when the main power structure fractures and former allies turned enemies start looking for new allies to potentially defend against and attack their former allies. Or if an alliance decides to dramatically change its FA direction and reaches out to a previously untapped part of the web so as to improve its own standing against a potential threat. It has happened a few times and the cycle always repeats.

Starters first with the main course to come later I presume.

No need to, we all know who is pulling the strings manipulating the treaty web around them, Even the leaders of non-leader alliances know only too well who their puppet masters are. A shame really.

Multiple issues..correct. MI6 on multiple occasions called you and umbrella out for openly favouring Aztec over TOP and MI6 (who you were still allied to at the time). Indeed, you actively plotted to bring about a series of events which would see yourself and your new allies in Aztec benefit directly at the expense of both TOP and MI6. Or better yet, in your own words we knew it'd create an arms race scenario where you wouldn't win So instead you deliberately ensured that TOP, sparta and MI6 would never and could never win so as to make sure that Aztec and by extension umbrella would be on the winning side. So, still want to scoff at the notion that MI6 were "undermined"? Or want to raise the stakes higher and do a "logs are fake" response?

Now you get it :P

I was going to say, if the spy attack was a failure then you need to look at Petro. That is his area of expertise. And no one is accusing Petro of an unidentified spy op without credible evidence or suspicion. He was busted for a failed spy op and openly alluded to performing others. The reasons for suspecting Petro's involvement are far more credible than any suspicions you have in regards to the spy op you just suffered.

Evidence please? If evidence is provided, evidence must be clearly fabricated.

To be frank, I didn't take the OP as a whine. More of a call out to be honest and I certainly didn't see MI6 asking for community action, I would assume they know only too well it would be a futile and lost cause.

Looking at stats like that, no wonder you would support DK rejoining IRON.

I am sure DK will be happy to know that Foxfire would take him back.

Clearly all of MI6 should join IRON.

Do tell, enlighten everyone who is failing to understand exactly what you are attempting to refer to.

It is ok, Seppuku doesn't seem to understand the use of plural nouns so it evens itself out. We, guys, warchests etc. Don't fret.

Yes, I remember a certain log involving you if I remember correctly. It was rather entertaining. By this same logic, do the actions of Petro reflect upon Seppuku? Petro who is a member of Seppuku's executive government last I checked.

Surely I can't be the first to think or say it but Judas Oscariot anyone? :P

Let me actually try to understand this, you are accusing one of the most hated AAs in Bob who are most likely going to curbstomped sometime in the next month or two (who also have spent most of this year trying to prevent mentioned rolling) of not only fabricating a log and claiming it comes from a Seppeku gov member but also then creating a public call out thread using the fabricated log as the basis for the call out? And that makes logical sense to you? So in the absence of substantial proof you will then instead believe a totally moronic and illogical chain of events. Please tell me whose Kool-Aid you have been sipping. You need to stop and put the Kool-Aid down.

Why didn't you just type "I don't like MI6 therefore log is fake"? Would have saved yourself a couple of minutes instead of wasting your time writing some faux justification.

LPH having a mini cartel civil war in here.

I wish we had a like this post function.

Or Petro and friends could just keep spying.