Ostrogothi

[quote name='Amossio' timestamp='1345296312' post='3023128'] You don't know me, I wasn't always in umbrella, furthermore I don't speak for umbrella on here. I never stated that NPO owed me anything at all, I never even asked anything from them. As an umbrellian we are allowed a great deal of freedom, in terms of expressing our opinion, which are based on our own perception and not necessarily what our alliance speaks for. Some of us have very different views on certain alliances but it does not reflect what our alliance as a whole generally moves towards or seeks, if it did I assure you we'd be rolling everyone for no reason. [/quote] If you weren't speaking for Umbrella, I take back what I said.

[quote name='Amossio' timestamp='1345293232' post='3023121'] I for one forgave them a long time ago, TIO changed my perception of cifica. [/quote] You will think this is cherry-picking. But what exactly did NPO do to Umbrella that would require your forgiveness? I don't recall you opposing anything that NPO did back in the day, and [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Continuum-GPA_War"]sometimes[/url] at least you went along with their plans. The NPO might have wronged many people, but they never owed you anything.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1345282032' post='3023103'] And after all they did to NPO what did you?[b] Attached [/b]your alliance to their power sphere are started to enable them to allow the same type of things to happen with another alliances. Funny right? [/quote] Attaching is not the same as joining.

[quote name='Kushakistano' timestamp='1341887373' post='3007624'] I surrender to Sparta. [/quote] LOL IRON should ZI this guy.

[quote name='Lord Levistus' timestamp='1341677085' post='3005966'] From the Valhalan perspective: At the end of 2011 Valhalla had started exploring the idea of a merger internally. Our activity levels were becoming worse and worse every passing election and those of us in gov were burning out. Rather than have Valhalla stagnate and die a slow death, we were looking at pulling the plug. A couple months ago BAPS and Oly started talking about a merger of their own. Baps and Oly are our two closest allies. This reignighted the merger discussions within Val, and we decided approach Olympus and BAPS to see if they were open to a menage a trois. [/quote] Never though Valhalla would ever face activity problems. But best of luck for the future!

A question from someone not in the know: why was this necessary?

[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1341496919' post='3003921'] So what do you expect? It's no secret MK's power reign is slowly ending, as it was no secret for Pacificas, or [i]whoever[/i] you feel is in power. [/quote] This is not clear to me at all. Then again I'm not really politically savvy

[quote name='MrMuz' timestamp='1341386154' post='3003277'] Wars are usually fought over something. If a war is fought to destroy/weaken an alliance, there's no need to admit defeat. If a war is fought over disagreements, like someone aiding rogues/bad tech raid/poaching/insults and war was triggered because one side refused to admit they were wrong, the admission of defeat is important. [/quote] Admission of [i]guilt[/i] is different from admission of military defeat.

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1341229824' post='3001729'] Bring back Viceroys and the good old days... Am I rite?? -- Seriously, voted other though. Personally when an alliance loses I'd rather people just say "well done, congratulations on beating us" and people head off on their way. Not white peace, but a rep free surrender. [/quote] What is the difference though? I always found it silly to make people "admit defeat"- what is the point of that? I mean almost always in CN the end result of a war is plain for everybody to see. It shouldn't matter to anybody that the defeated party might someday later claim "strategic/spiritual" victory or any other kind of crap. OOC: Some of the most decisive victories in history technically ended in white peace.

This is awesome.

[quote name='MrMuz' timestamp='1341169553' post='3001272'] Sarcasm? Or did hell freeze over? [/quote] No, VE's just on the losing side.

[quote name='Cotillion' timestamp='1340993832' post='3000059'] then it sounds like mickey leaks with mickey being a word for penis in case you were not aware is this what you really want? [/quote] sounds appropriate.

Wait. You have been in a one man alliance for 200+ days? How come you haven't been ZT'ed yet?

In my opinion, one of the biggest hurdles to political change is that it take so long to recover from a losing war ( and reps only worsen the situation). I can only think of two alliances that lost a war(I mean actually lost, not surrendered after 3 days) and later grew back to their pre-war strengths- Polar after WotC and IRON* after BiPolar, and in both cases it was only possible because they sat out of a global conflict in the middle. If one month of war takes [i]years[/i] to recover from, people will obviously lose interest. EDIT:* I just remembered that the same is true for the rest of Duckroll.

[quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1340914864' post='2999549'] @Ostrogothi: Please tell me more about how the total amount of damage that three nations can receive is the same as the damage one nation can receive. Seriously, yes, he is turtling, but he is still nuking them (and before too long will be so low on infra that his damage received will drop a lot), so Umbrella should definitely be well over 2:1. If he had a proper warchest (hello Vladmir Stukov), then he could probably do better than even 3:1 damage given:damage received. [/quote] Okay, let's assume that the nukes Hellas receives and sends out do roughly the same amount of damage(reasonable since Hellas and Wilmark Republic have roughly the same amount of tech). On top of that Hellas will be hit with 6 GA's, CM's and air attacks and those fighting him will receive two each(unless he is turtling). Even if we assume Hellas's GA's cause the same amount of damage as his opponents( unlikely since they all have more infra than him- Hellas will probably lose most of his GA's), the damage ratio is already below 3:1. BTW this is the first round of war, and Hellas still has(or had) a lot of infra to lose. Also, Vladimir Stukov caused so much damage because he had a huge tech and wonder advantage over everyone he was fighting, which is not the case here. Is it possible to do better than 2:1 damage? I don't know, I have never fought at his level nor have I done the math. But at this stage of the war and given his opponents, doing 3X the damage you receive is logically impossible.