greatmagnus

There REALLY needs to be a new buzzword besides Hegemony. Empire anyone?

Considering most everyone condemning the DoW in this thread hailed the TOP DoW last time like nothing else, I think the cries of hypocrisy in this thread are well... Hypocritical.

I still dont see how declaring a war is spineless.

[quote name='Balkan Banania' timestamp='1295957951' post='2599938'] No matter the outcome of this and the path it will go I see this action as unneeded, but personally I don't have a problem with this. \m/ is a sovereign alliance, the international law is in the trash bin due to MK et al. declarations, so I don’t get why all this fuss. MK set the precedent and \m/ is just following. See you in the battlefield, or whatever is best for you. [/quote] Actually Aegis set the precedent in GWIII

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So what we have taken from this is that MK now has a bunch of new awards to go with the 27 from last year, and the CN awards are still silly.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1293069847' post='2550840'] Uh, he's not in a neutral alliance. Its not all that revolutionary of a thing to say [/quote] It is when he makes it seem like the second he gets rid of some nukes that he will get jumped by other alliances.

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1293067532' post='2550765'] I meant the net income, after you take out bills. Not just what it says on the button. But whatever. I'm sure you'd like me to find myself at war with only 5 or 10 nukes on me. You're out of touch. It must be nice for your alliances, to be able to get away with only having 5 nukes. But when you're under the constant threat of war, a war that cannot be won, the story is different. I won't make myself a softer target for you. [/quote] Constant threat of war? Do tell.

[quote name='Branimir' timestamp='1291157609' post='2526800'] Links are irrelevant, or more precisely, only relevant as you make them. You allied an alliance that you like, but you didn't "marry" all of their friends too in the process. This thought process is totally not necessarily inherent to the system. Things "link up" and turn into snowball coalitions not of the treaty web, but the way treaties are abused and twisted to fit any meaning. In part is; "well, my friends could get hurt by this, and although I don't care for the initiators, I will help my allies tied with them". Sometimes its; "I can join in and take my shoot at someone I dont like, although the initial situation doesn't have anything to do with me nor do I really care for it". You get the drift, rationalizations vary. It is not the treaty web, its the way alliances play the game. "Treaties" are just there to give some sense of "legality". Taking them away, you didn't do much of anything. Alliances will still play the game the same way. [/quote] No, its more like "If X alliance enters the war then Y will be obligated to come in as well" sort of thinking. You cannot tell me you have never been in a back channel before a war following the treaty web to see which alliances falls where.

[quote name='TrotskysRevenge' timestamp='1291152320' post='2526734'] A treaty or two? Yes, that would be fun. But I am talking about the treaty web that makes war impossible because of the number of alliances on both sides that would have to participate, making one-on-war (or two, three on two, three) impossible. [/quote] The problem is also the fact that many people are tied to alliances via their allies. We were tied to quite a few alliances we didn't like before we canceled all our treaties simply by a single jump, and considering how insane the web is that is not surprising in the least. I am sure there is a way to tie every alliance to every other (unless an alliance is nearly totally isolated) with only 2-3 jumps.

I think the biggest problem is simply the massive drop in activity in nearly all alliances. Without activity by your members there is no way to generate drama, and enough drama gets you a war. Sure we might get a thing or two, but to be honest nothing in a long while has had any potential for a war.

[quote name='Leet Guy' timestamp='1290880235' post='2524668'] Yeah, because possessing nukes would have added [b]so[/b] much credibility to this "rebellion." [/quote] [img]http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/gallery/dose_grumpyoldmen/090528old_palpatine.jpg[/img] [i]This rebellion will be crushed.[/i]

If this does not get to 50 pages full of mock outrage and how this doesn't matter I will call out every poster from the MK thread.

I came into this thread to see what the news was and I am instead greeted by RV threatening TOOL. Why he would threaten such an alliance is only a throwback to the old Hegemony, and is an atrocious and cowardly act when they are welcoming a new leader into their prestigious ranks. How low of you RV, how low.

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1290527326' post='2521221'] It makes logical sense really, you do it so much that you are practiced at spotting it. [/quote] Yes, we see so much of it from posters like you that we have a mountain of experience seeing it.

[quote name='Jacob Reiffenstein' timestamp='1290449088' post='2520380'] The new flag is about as ugly as they come. [/quote] Jealousy does not become you.

[quote name='Denial' timestamp='1290311101' post='2518743'] So, it appears the New Pacific Order is harboring a failed usurper of the throne. I sincerely hope we respond to this heinous act with martial means. [/quote] I for one welcome our new Pacific Overlord.

In before 50 pages of mock outrage.

Seriously how on earth did this get to 35 pages. MK and NPO said it happened, and MK closed an embassy. Maybe 5 pages tops. I feel like if we posted that Archon clipped his toenails people would demand proof, and after said pics were given it would then descend into how Archon clipped them in an obviously evil manner. Come on now, I understand things have been slow but holy cow. EDIT: Protip: 35 does not equal 25

[quote name='Vol Navy' timestamp='1289439620' post='2509843'] It's not the amount you take, it's how you take it that makes it extortion. But also for this situation that is an extremely high amount, way too high, your King has admitted it was too high. [/quote] And then RV corrected him and said it was chump change. Again, it could have been handled better but NSO is not paying an arm and a leg here. An NSO member stole some money from MK, and MK wanted reps instead of trying to find someone in the range to go kick his ass.

Extortion. Now THERES a fun word. 15m/250tech is chump change and everyone here knows it. 1 nation could easily send that out and recover from it within a few weeks. (Counting tech. The money would take a day.) This is not "unprecedented extortion" in any way, shape, or form. It is a minuscule amount (As admitted by RV himself) and people need to get over it. Now it probably could have been handled better but this is not a bigger alliance making a smaller alliance give it everything it has, its a alliance who had some large nations have a cycle messed up because a member of a smaller alliance decided to scoop the money and run. So we tried to get some reps for lost revenue (Which are admitted to be small) and here we are after RV decided that even though the reps were "chump change" that he should raise a massive stink about paying them.

Yeah MK/PC hate is new to me too. The only people MK hate in PB are GOONS.

And after Archon said the reps were high that RV said they weren't. RV obviously read the first post and must have disagreed with Archon, else he would not have posted otherwise. Again, the supposed "victim" said it was chump change, not some bystander.

[quote name='Branimir' timestamp='1289339102' post='2508524'] I believe he already answered, that he felt otherwise. Anyway, I just found it funny how you are still trying to deflect from the fact you asked for unreasonably high "reps", even when your King here said that-- it was an error. [/quote] MK is not asking for "unreasonable high" reps, RV himself said in this topic that the indicated amount was chump change. That point is over and not up for argument, especially since it came from RV who is the supposed victim.

Good to see us doing so well