Ventus

I have one too! How about that? CNtel ftw [img]http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls0hevcuUk1qh0z8ao1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1317005429&Signature=7k9bjqJ2kuaANi8BPLHtLCrW0VY%3D[/img]

If given the chance to roll Rush how would you choose to roll him?

Two terrible alliances sign a treaty with each other... Seriously though congrats guys! We love you both

[quote name='Azaghul' timestamp='1316787792' post='2806669'] Here's a spreadsheet we're keeping: [url="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AsNLZLG7WAUddGc5Wm5ka043Qzl0a0dQMm4yQkU4TFE&output=html"]https://docs.google....TFE&output=html[/url] Totaled through the 21st, by my calculations MK is up 5300 tech to 4850. [/quote] o/ MK

What will you do with that freedom? Will you fight?

[quote name='Jgoods45' timestamp='1316769276' post='2806614'] [u][b]While Ventus is free to believe what he likes, his opinions do not represent that of TLR. [/b][/u] [/quote] This. We all have different believes and all that jazz. That's part of why we have so many treaties shot down recently, but that's better than having a treaty with an alliance that we don't like just for the sake of having "allies" unlike certain rivals/enemies of ours. Everyone can have an opinion, but I personally don't believe that one should leave due to a disagreement on one thing no matter how big it is but then again I am a patient man. tl;dr Freedom, liberty, pursuit of happiness, to each his own, yada yada yada

[quote name='Wentworth' timestamp='1316743943' post='2806412'] Funny, I translated the last set of logs as him saying, "ok". Could be mistaken though. O/ our new allies. [/quote] Ok is just 'k' with an o in front of it. We all know what text that simply says 'k' means. Anyways, looking forward to great things with this treaty NPO! Glad to have such controversial allies and I'm sure you are as well!

[quote name='Wentworth' timestamp='1316744086' post='2806415'] Wait, there is two tlr's? MIND BLOWN [/quote] Wait there are two NPO's? All good alliances share acronyms man. At least I hope tLR is a good alliance...

[quote name='Wentworth' timestamp='1316654279' post='2805595'] It would be glorious [/quote] If you call breaking CN glorious than yes. NPO joining CnG would lead to the CNpocalypse. Maybe that's a good thing though.

[quote name='RandomInterrupt' timestamp='1316650744' post='2805566'] You must not read the OWF too often. I try not to either for the most part, but it's full of pretty blatant stuff. The issue you are alluding to is water under the bridge. It is interesting to see your members react like they did above though. [/quote] We aren't baiting you guys, we just don't believe most of what you say. We're not baiting you, we don't want to steal TOP's war! (it's a joke that's kind of not a joke)

[quote name='RandomInterrupt' timestamp='1316636669' post='2805439'] 1. TLR's attempts to bait us have been pretty sad and transparent. [/quote] Necro =/= TLR Though your attempts to bait us have been pretty sad and clear. Especially the stuff regarding NPO. It provides us with a few good laughs though

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1316643551' post='2805495'] Oh jesus, Polar has NO room to talk down to ANYONE on Bob. your alliance literally ratted out its entire coalition and to this day tries to deny it [/quote] Yeah but then again according to Polar NPO has no integrity and TLR forced DH to attack NPO in the last war. For a minute there I forgot we had total and complete control over every action made by our allies, thanks for reminding me NpO!

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1316636111' post='2805427'] This post is a giant self-contradiction, it's quite impressive to behold. C&G's founding priniciple is a "shell" of what C&G believes? Okay. ODN hasn't transformed anything except their set of allies. Alliances are political entities and the rulers of their consituent nations who are politically-minded are perfectly right--and I would say obligated--to "bail" on an alliance if they find that the alliance's politics no longer flush with their personal politics/ideals. Are you honestly saying that once a nation joins an alliance then they are inextricably linked forever even if their is a radical shift in policy? Don't be stupid. It is intelligent and thoughtful rulers like Sal and Blacky that benefit alliances and who exercise the greatest logic in this world. I appreciate your indictment of MK, GOONS, and Umbrella's behavior. What political repurcussions does TLR have in store? Perhaps some cancellations or downgrades. No? Then shut it. [/quote] Well let's see how many things are wrong with this post... No, Sal's idea of what CnG's ideals are is a mere shell of what they really are. He started in '09, after KARMA, so he doesn't even know what we stood for. I would disagree. ODN have become staunch allies, something that they didn't do back in the day. That is why everyone is bashing Sal, not just TLR and NPO either. This move was by no means risky, it's a win/win for both sides. We know that, NPO knows that. Sal apparently did not know that. This was not a radical shift in policy as TLR has always stood for giving alliances second chances and so has CnG, the fact that you did not know that only shows that you and Sal do not know what you are talking about. There will be not be another DH means there will be no more preemptive strikes on NPO. Don't pretend like you don't know how DH was announced. Also don't tell me to shut it, more people listen to what I say then what you say. You are widely regarded as ignorant.

[quote name='Sal Paradise' timestamp='1316582737' post='2805153'] All defence of this treaty consists of tripe and platitudes. Anyone actually attempting to go beyond this has revealed the stupidity of their position. Oh sure, hail you ODP and declare you're changing the world. Uh-huh, so TLR won't be defending NPO? Did you tell the NPO about this? !@#$, Ventus, don't change the world too fast. I don't think the world can handle it. [/quote] Just ignoring your bit on heritage as you were only in GR in 2009, you never actually had to fight NPO and thus wouldn't know what you are talking about. That's okay, not everyone was lucky enough to be in the CoaLUEtion. Defense. It's spelled defense. We want to have the treaty so that we can be friends with NPO and protect them if they are attacked unjustly or if they are attacked in a war that they did not start and vice-versa. The ODP is changing the world. We are obviously angering people like you, which is funny and also helps weed out the fickle members of the alliance. Only those who will fight to the end with no complaints will stay, the true followers of CnG's suicide pact are left behind while those who value pixels leave. TLR will not be defending NPO if they do something stupid, like spying on an alliance and starting a war or something along those lines. The common sense situations in which an alliance knows that nobody will want to come to it's aid if they do not have to. Now in any other situation we will gladly protect NPO, there will not be any more DH-like attacks on them. Also, I never claimed that I am changing the world. TLR and our allies might be changing a part of the world but I myself cannot change the world.

[quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1316566593' post='2804930'] I am sure you meant this as a compliment. I hope so anyway [/quote] Indeed it was. Poorly worded but most should understand I meant that in a good way I hope!

[quote name='Sal Paradise' timestamp='1316549260' post='2804625'] I find Ventus' impossibly stretch rhetoric and unquestioning deference to authority not in keeping with the CnG heritage of TLR and more like the mouth-breathing parrots the NPO used to send out here to argue their indefensible positions. Look at what you've become CnG! [/quote] You've got to be joking! Not keeping with the CnG heritage? Did you not read the discussions on the TLR forums or CnG forums? We've been over this many times and even those that are against this treaty can't argue that it does in fact stick with our heritage. CnG is a suicide pact that was originally meant to destroy NPO. It accomplished that. However that is only a shell of what CnG believes. CnG believes in second chances, it was CnG that allowed ODN to be transformed ODN from the "Optional Defense Network" into one of the most trustworthy alliances on Bob! If anything it's cowards like you that ruin CnG. You refuse to change the world like CnG was made to do. You refuse to give alliances second chances in tradition with CnG. You bail on your alliance at the first disagreement with it, your argument was "No pixels will be lost defending NPO." even though it is an optional treaty meaning you probably will not be defending Pacifica. I would advise you to stop posting such rubbish, you had plenty of chances to voice your opinion and you refused. Sour grapes.

[quote name='Azhrei' timestamp='1316506838' post='2804424'] I doubt that it's anything to do with NPO being "ebil", just that he's been opposing and fighting them for so long that he has no desire to be allies. From what I understand, there was debate about it, it was decided to hold off for a while. Then all of a sudden here we are - it's announced on the forums before it is on our own. Was there a vote for it? I don't remember there being one. Sure, the majority of the alliance, going by what was on that first debate, would likely have voted for the alliance, but at least the option to vote would have been nice. Now looking around the forums I can see other rather interesting treaties being looked at, and I doubt we'll get the chance to vote for that, either. So, I can see where Blacky is coming from. And also, not very nice behaviour, Ventus. It's "you're with us or you're against us", is it? [/quote] The Senate vote wasn't put up until after this thread was made, there were forum problems all week though so I'm not sure if that was on purpose or by accident. It may not be nice but it's also not nice for someone who never posts on the forums to publicly bash TLR, especially since I do not see a resignation from him. If anything it's "follow procedures or you are a traitor". If there are problems with the treaty then you post them in the TLR forums, if you don't use the forums then you leave without saying goodbye as you are just a ghost.

LoLegion. Let's face it, bLUE did more than you guys did

[quote name='shahenshah' timestamp='1316489614' post='2804216'] I thought you were instigating drama! [/quote] No, that was TLR/NPO

[quote name='Blacky' timestamp='1316498128' post='2804361'] I am in TLR. Who can see what's wrong with this treaty? I have spent my entire CN political career opposing the NPO and everything they stood/stand for. I guess I'm going to have to rethink my position in TLR. So... Any offers for this old man looking for a new place to rest his head? [/quote] There is nothing wrong with the treaty. Majority rule stated that this is what the alliance wanted. You don't like it then quit CN because chances are other alliances are going to do the same thing. The whole "NPO is ebil!" bit is just like the "Russia is ebil" bit in the real world. The past is the past now get over it or get rolled.

[quote name='Sal Paradise' timestamp='1316468385' post='2803959'] I would have left GR within minutes of that treaty being announced. I'm all in favour of second chances and people changing. But there are some things that can't change. Chief among those is my firm belief that the NPO must die. I am also a man who believes in fairness. Once the first condition is met, I will give the NPO their second chance. [/quote] You never even interacted with NPO let alone gave them a chance to show they changed. I doubt you even read the embassy posts. You were the only one to leave TLR over this [u][b]optional[/b][/u] treaty. The resignation read "I will never shed a pixel in defense of NPO." Doesn't sound much like you would ever give them a chance.

[quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1316450412' post='2803796'] First off... you are a dead man Sheep Boy.... so very very dead. I am not a shout out type of person, but today I am. Thank you to my comrades at Pacifica for their open communication and willingness to let go of the old. This isn't just about the alliance prior to TLR's forming, but across the board. Thank you for being the Pacificans I know you are o/ TLR, what can I say, I never imagined such a fine group of people would be so willing to talk to us openly and honestly, I am humbled and I look forward to the future. ODN, the cake is DELICIOUS and thank you as well, for listening to us and talking with us. That orange cake and baby mixture worked out fine didn't it? BTW, this includes Kalasin, if for nothing else remaining true to beliefs and ideas so they could be talked about. I know you don't agree, but life is ever changing. GOONS, You know I love me some GOONS, its no surprise. Ball isn't in the NPO court So why stop at an ODP? Because relationships and treaties should grow into something, not instantly be something. One step at a time. Let the relationship grow, then we can talk about the next step. There is zero reason to be in a hurry. [/quote] Brehon you deserve a shout out yourself. The whole NPO crew in our embassy deserves a shout out. We could not have asked for a more patient treaty partner. You all have been open and honest with us and many of us hope this ODP evolves into something bigger and better, though in order for that to happen both of us need to show the rest of TLR and CnG that it is worth the upgrade that we believe it is. I hope this is just a stepping stone in a long relationship. Also expect a war between DH and CnG over who gets to be NPO's only ODP partner

Lines being drawn, etc. etc. Honestly I'm surprised that all of Bob didn't hear about this before we announced it. Worst kept secret ever. Almost as badly kept as our plans to roll Rush. o/ TLR o/ Pacifica

[quote name='MrHavok' timestamp='1315957353' post='2800010'] Is anyone shocked MK is speaking for their serfs in TOP? [/quote] According to the OWF everyone is MK's serf lately. Apparently they run the game, funny as I don't recall them acting that way...

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' timestamp='1315948415' post='2799935'] It keeps getting repeated so often that it's pointless to correct it each time, but I suppose I should keep pointing it out occasionally at least. We werent attacked for aiding Meth. We were attacked for finishing a tech deal with [i]Nicholai,[/i] a very small non-nuclear nation that was not at war, nor sanctioned. But by all means, continue to pontificate about how horrible all the things we did not do are. It amuses me. [/quote] You are a micro-alliance. That is the greatest crime of all.