Mompson

Been watching for this. Here we go NG.

Never thought I'd see the day we agree on something IC.

Then it's even more laughable that she implies the views of one member of NG are different than the views of NG's government as a whole.

You either don't know your government's official position towards us, or don't understand irony. Carry on.

Polar: Rogue Protectors Come on, you're smarter than this.

What a ride. Good luck to all of you in the coming weeks and months.

If I remember correct, a group of alliances start and then every day the one with the smallest gain is elimanated.

Maybe towards the end of the summer.

Awesome to see!

Good luck R&R

Tom Riddle isn't on other planets.

You would have thought that former PC members would have learned their lesson about nation gifting, but apparently that's not the case.

What Gopher said. In addition to this, you can gain it through trades, improvements, wonders, and a clean environment.

Most alliances don't really care if you aren't active on IRC, but in all honestly it's a must if you want to work your way up to a government position.

Always glad to have a stamp of approval.

Join MK. Seriously though, most alliances won't take you in and just protect you from an alliance that wants you for debt or most other reasons. You may be able to work out a deal with an alliance to pay your debts for you if you really cannot pay them, but you're pretty much out of debt if you want someone to just take you in and nullify the debt. I'd get on IRC and talk around to people. You won't find too much help here on the OWF.

One page comparing all of the blocs on all of the categories listed would be great.

Is this an insult? Because I think you just told them to make sure and be in the winning coalition again next war.

Yeah I tried drawing one a while back that didn't turn out well at all. And for some reason, I imagine all of the spheres in a specific position in my head, and these positions shift when treaties are signed or cancelled.

Congrats Joe.

Newsflash we are all incompetent and need a strong alliance like NPO to sit on the laps of. Seriously though, so you respect the fact that if you stick by the view of the majority, Polaris didn't listen and went after TLR regardless?

You are correct, that would be foolish. But if they told you a few weeks in advance that they didn't want reps anymore, and then you guys go ahead with pushing for reps (the full amount that you wanted in the first place in fact), it looks as if you are completely disregarding their wishes. You surely didn't believe that we would take your first offer, so starting off as high as you did even after IRON was out of the reps talk seems unnecessary. It seems like it would slow the entire process down and keep them at war longer than necessary. Don't get me wrong, I completely see your position here in the fact that reps were the long term plan, but at the same time, you have to look at what your allies are saying. We didn't listen to STA as well as we should have, and we paid for it. We lost what much of CN considered to be our closest ally. When IRON changed their mind about reps, did you guys change how you went about demanding them? If you didn't, it gives the appearance of you ignoring what they want, and just going about what you had planned and what TOP wanted. If the answer is no, then whether you made the conscious decision to not change or whether it just happened, it looks like you are ignoring IRON from an outsider's perspective, and I would imagine from the viewpoint of IRON as well.

It wasn't so much about a forcing the hand action as much as it was about the fact that IRON was stuck at war after they already wanted out. You guys couldn't do much damage (or take much damage) purely off of how our alliances were and are built. It was your war in title, but IRON and Valhalla's war on the battlefield. The fact that IRON may have changed their mind about reps is of minor relevance, but don't you think that the alliances who did the brunt of fighting should have more of a say in peace talks? We didn't negotiate with IRON or Valhalla, we negotiated with you and then had your allies okay it. In both of these wars, IRON did a major portion of the hard fighting, and found their wishes pushed aside during peace talks. Who wouldn't be frustrated with this? Edit: Missed one question mark..

Ah, very nice. For the most part, that's the kind of rap I do enjoy.

What line am I touting here? The line that people weren't happy with the amount of damage done to CnG and that this appears to be one of the factors leading up to this cancellation? I'm not sure how you can argue against this.