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[quote name='PinkV' timestamp='1300700501' post='2672097'] So basically, when you are torn between two allies, and you help out one ally first, it is wrong and shameful to admit defeat in order to help the other ally, whom you've suddenly placed a higher priority over. [/quote] No, I just said it doesn't reinforce the image Pink was trying to promote. He said you guys were wonderful fighters and I said nothing in this current war would support that argument as: 1) You peaced out of a potentially damaging war 2) Joined a dogpile The reasons for doing 1 and 2 make no difference, maybe you had the best reasons ever for them. But there is nothing in the above two actions that would lead me to conclude that you guys are "wonderful fighters".

[quote name='PinkV' timestamp='1300698670' post='2672086'] Pacifica is an over sized war machine that is pretty much infamous for pissing the world off and starting many major conflicts. So keep waving your ego around, I'm sure one day when your alliance is no longer sanctioned it will be the only thing worth holding onto. [b]Nordreich is an alliance of wonderful fighters[/b], and unlike you we can manage without aid coming from other alliances. NoR has won a great number of battles in this war, and has suffered a great number of defeats as well, but at least we don't make complete fools out of ourselves in the process. Can't say so much of the same for Pacifica now can we? [/quote] Well, to be fair, during this war you guys peaced out quickly on the one front you would have taken damage and then joined a dogpile. Now there's always the possibility that you have all this talent in reserve waiting for some alliance to jump you. And hey, stranger things have happened, but there is nothing in your performance during the current war to justify the above statement.

well written, much enjoyed!

[quote name='Antoine Roquentin' timestamp='1300539686' post='2670148'] We'll see how your predictions turn out then, I guess. Looking forward to the propaganda CB wars. [/quote] I wrote that wrong, and I won't bother to edit it. I didn't mean to say that it [b]would[/b] happen, I just wanted to illustrate a potential type of shady CB. No coffee before posting is a bad idea

[quote name='Antoine Roquentin' timestamp='1300534376' post='2670113'] Lying publicly is something a lot different than a preemptive strike. The PR risk is definitely greater. [/quote] Actually no, because alliances aren't afraid of being lied to disbandment or ZI or perma-war. Those things can happen from a pre-emptive war out of nowhere. By pre-empting NPO you have opened Pandora's Box (lol) and now it can't be closed. The thing is, you can't have power and not use it, it's impossible. So because you guys have the power now, it will find it's way into use one way or another. When everyone else recognizes that power, they try to avoid being the ones it is used on, ie. NPO not engaging in any acts that would provide a direct CB. So when your power is frustrated in it's attempted usage, it finds other outlets. These outlets will take the form of shadier and shadier CB's. Eventually, people posting on the OWF will become justification for a pre-empt because "propaganda is an act of war." Of couse the bright side of this is it will fracture your power base, slowly your ring of allies will distance themselves as they perceive themselves to be the ones with a crosshair moving onto their backs. And Karma 2.0 will happen, and the dance will begin again. What fun it is to be human!

This is bad and Doomhouse should feel bad. Not because of the war, but because of the pointless drivel their PR department is spinning out. NPO isn't whining on the forums about everything, yet every two minutes I see another DH + Friends post about hippie NPOans, etc. You guys pre-empted, deal with the war, stop crying that NPO won't play by your rules.

[quote name='lazaraus45' timestamp='1300142270' post='2664991'] The usual suspects come out to tell us what it is we achieved while [b]PC cry over [s]lost gov[/s] spilled milk[/b] i like this thread lots [/quote] Well now you've done it, see you on page 32.

[quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1300096160' post='2664382'] How many minutes can it have taken? It's not a very long post... [/quote] I didn't say it was alot of minutes, just minutes horribly wasted reading that drivel.

I am invoicing you for the minutes I spent reading that, what a waste of time.

[quote name='Vol Navy' timestamp='1300037991' post='2663064'] I am just impressed you have somehow fought him enough to have taken 67 of his nukes. You'd think you'd be used to it by now. [/quote] lol that's alot of nukes, I'm not sure whether to commiserate with the OP or pat Methrage on the back for being superman. Methrage is like herpes, he goes away for awhile but always comes roaring back.

I for one welcome our new financial overlords. o/ Ministry of Finance

[quote name='Antoine Roquentin' timestamp='1299708639' post='2657974'] Perhaps because it's not meant [b]literally[/b]? [/quote]

[quote name='Karolina' timestamp='1299706562' post='2657946'] I bet you're just the life and soul of any party. [/quote] At parties where people don't have the IQ's of sock puppets, yes. At parties frequented by you guys, I would probably be the guy in the corner pretending to text someone so it wasn't so obvious I didn't belong there.

[quote name='neneko' timestamp='1299673173' post='2657699'] So they argued something they didn't know anything about then. Are you trying to make the point that these people are dumb rather than illiterate? I don't see how that's better. [/quote] No it literally makes my head explode when people literally use the word literally without literally knowing literally what literally means. Literally.

[quote name='Cataduanes' timestamp='1299654432' post='2657613'] nice and snug? in the middle? you must be mistaking me for someone else mate. [/quote] Oh sorry, I forgot CnG was on the fringes of the treaty web. My mistake, carry on.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1299657875' post='2657644'] We have a MADP with TOP. Anyone who denies this is [b]literally illiterate[/b]. [/quote] [sarcasm]There are literally a billion things wrong with this.[/sarcasm] misreading treaty =/= illiterate because, you know, they actually had to read it to misread it.

We have fulfilled our obligations.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1299620336' post='2657018'] [color="#0000FF"]I will have you know that I am quite a class act, as many can attest to. I simply have no reason to treat you as an equal. You clearly are not.[/color] [/quote] You haven't done anything to me personally, so how does not treating me like an equal impact my opinion of you? My charge of you lacking class is based on your treatment of others, considering you did not know I existed before 2 days ago. How can you blame your lack of class on me being less than your equal? You really aren't very bright, but you think you are, which is pitiable in it's own way.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1299618148' post='2656973'] [color="#0000FF"]Who are you and what exactly do you have against me? I ask only because I've seen you following me around like a sad puppy, hoping that I might toss you a treat. Also, I will have you know that I am not just an expert, but I am the expert. Rest assured, the coalition pitted against GOONS, and many of the alliances tied to it (even those not fighting it) is indeed quite terrible. Frankly I cannot read any of the drivel coming from members of Invicta, Legion, or even your own alliances without severely damaging my [b]superiority cognitive capabilities[/b].[/color] [/quote] Did you mean superior? I don't have anything particular against you, I just find you to have very little class.

[quote name='Aeternos Astramora' timestamp='1299618053' post='2656971'] It's the IRON-Gre thing again, except advantage PC. The ratio of members isn't in RoK's favor strongly enough for them to just be able to outlast PC on any reasonable time scale, especially since [b]PC has more allies willing (and, importantly, [i]allowed[/i]) to help them out against RoK than IRON did.[/b][/quote] Do you really think anyone is going to DoW RoK at this point? The war is going to be RoK vs PC until one of them blinks.

[quote name='Cataduanes' timestamp='1299591056' post='2656650'] And horrible for the rest of us who were not tied to the Initiative. [/quote] Well you made up for lost time by getting nice and snug in the middle of the opressive power base this time around.

[quote name='SpiderJerusalem' timestamp='1299586413' post='2656616'] As opposed to NATO you mean? [/quote] How so?

[quote name='erikz' timestamp='1299586399' post='2656615'] Is it so strange to have a personal opinion? Why should I always agree with people fighting on the 'same side', with every individual in allied alliances or my alliance mates? What happened to Carpe Diem? I must have missed that. [b]Also, If you know me, I've always advocated no monetary/military reps and I'm a fervent anti-disbandment/viceroyship spokesperson.[/b][/quote] You really need to find friends you have something in common with then, this current setup reeks of power-mongering as opposed to standing with people who have common beliefs.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1299611224' post='2656876'] [color="#0000FF"]You'd be surprised at how few people actually realize that. I'm not sure why people keep touting that line. But then again, most people are also [b]stupid[/b].[/color] [/quote] If you are going to judge others, you should be an expert in the field. Carry on.

[quote name='erikz' timestamp='1299582884' post='2656600'] Same can be said about everyone declaring on iFOK, not on the rest of the PB alliances. Did we whine about it? No, not really. edit: the only thing you will [b]hear me whine about is forcing disbandments, forcing terms etc.[/b] GOD and CSN are desperately trying to be relevant by behaving like headless chickens and they know it. This one is pretty old. But of course you would choose between allies.[/quote] You should go check out the CD DoW thread if you don't like forced terms/disbandments. It will enlighten you as to the attitudes of some of your coalition mates.