[quote name='Pomiel' date='06 July 2010 - 11:23 AM' timestamp='1278437000' post='2361222']
no, you definitely shouldn't read that thread. you'll probably get bored halfway through page 2
Basically, NpO didn't like \m/ so they started a war. Then as that war came to a close, The Order of the Paradox (TOP) declared war on the Complaints and Grievances Union ([url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Complaints_and_Grievances_Union"]wiki[/url]) because they thought CnG were planning to harm them or some crap ([url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=79441"]DoW[/url]) . Shortly afterwards, several of TOP's allies, including IRON, DAWN, TORN, and others also declared on CnG for similar reasons ([url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/TOP-C%26G_War"]wiki[/url]) . The Gramlins under Ramirus Maximus recently adopted a "paper-less" policy in which they don't sign treaties, and support people they consider to be their friends. Despite this, they still maintain (?) a treaty with Mostly Harmless Alliance, the Harmlin Accords, which basically states that Gramlins and MHA are the same alliance ([url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/The_H%C3%A4rmlins"]wiki[/url]). Thus, the Harmlins declared IRON ([url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=79461"]DoW[/url]).
Eventually, most forces on the side of Complaints and Grievances Union agreed to cease hostilities with the TOP side in the Easter Sunday Accords ([url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=83752"]forums[/url]). Ramirus Maximus, and the Gramlins, however did not agree to this, despite their brothers in MHA's name appearing on the document. This is where things get really controversial: Ramirus wanted IRON et al to agree to unconditional surrender, which would basically allow Gramlins to dictate whatever they wanted as terms after the surrender. Ramirus maintains that this was only to force IRON to concede that it was wrong to begin the war. Many were vehemently opposed to this as they believed Gramlins could abuse this power. Thus, the Gramlins continue their fight against IRON alone, to this day.
Ramirus claims that this course of action is better suited towards the Gramlins beliefs and ideals laid out in the Codex of War and that because of this, the idea of abusing the unconditional surrender wouldn't happen, and claims that if IRON had accepted unconditional surrender when first offered, IRON would be free from terms before the ESA were passed. People are mad because they believe Ramirus is running what was once a very well respected alliance into the ground. The Gramlins one had 80 (?) nations in their prime (I don't remember cause I was MIA for about a year), and now they only have 19 (?) last I checked.
Ramirus believes that IRON is continuing ideas that were fought against in the Karma war; the idea that you can attack anyone for any reason as long as you're strong enough. IRON and most others believe that Ramirus was setting a precedent for allowing unconditional surrenders which could easily be abused. Additionally, Ramirus is kind of a dick sometimes and talks down at basically everyone playing the game. He uses real life concepts that probably don't have any place in the game and this makes it hard for anyone to sympathize with him.
edit: /biast probably
edit2: /some of it might be wrong too...
thank you for that well written explanation, its very informative. sorry to the mod about making this thread cus i didnt kno it wasnt allowed. just please dont ban me.