Pacifist Ninja

The amount of disrespect in this thread for the death of an ancient treaty is TOO DAMN HIGH. Take your !@#$ somewhere else.

[quote name='Crownguard' timestamp='1348168400' post='3032371'] LSF and INT are no longer allies. Good to know, thank you for the update. LSF members hate INT. Again, thank you for the update. Thank you all for playing. I can still get my requisite amount of filthy jokes in their IRC channel, so all is well. Let's move it along people. -CG [/quote] *Some LSF members [quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1348168488' post='3032373'] Your obsession over my relevance, is relevant. I so enjoy a fan club. [/quote] Its not so much about how irrelevant you are, as the fact that you (and others) are being irrelevant in a very dickish way for very dickish reasons. In short, I am mostly in the fan club of your dick... ishness.

[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1348167954' post='3032365'] What was NoR to do, send messages to all members of LSF? Or simply hit those committing acts of war against them? They chose the latter. You would have as well.. Deny it and be a liar if you want, but you would have too. [/quote] You know, the solution to this is pretty obvious and easy. Just take it to a relevant thread! For example, you could try the peace thread. That's always nice! There's nothing requiring you to piss all over the thread where we tried to amicably end a long standing relationship.

[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1348167612' post='3032358'] You personally? Possibly not. But there is a reason LSF stayed at war for four months, and it was because we were assured that post-war, MK would drop NoR and CNG would go in with us. That was the deal that was struck, and the entire bloc begged INT to take it. So they did, and when MK reneged on it, most likely with the private support of at least ODN, their bloc now seems to not give a !@#$ that INT was played for idiots and had their PR ruined by their masters over in MK. Even after forcing everybody into a manipulative war designed to force INT to reneg on their promises to LSF and dishonor a treaty with their longest allies. Which I personally think is a bad move on CNG's part. If I were you/them, I would use MK's "betrayal" as an excuse to cozy up to NPO before MK's house comes falling down around them and you might have to, gasp, lose a war. [/quote] When in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes I all alone beweep my outcast state, And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries for a relevant discussion, And look upon myself, and curse my fate, Wishing me like to see a relevant discussion, Featured like relevancy, like him with relevant posts, Desiring that thread’s art, and that thread’s scope, With what I most enjoy contented least; Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising, Haply I think on a relevant discussion,—and then my state, Like to the lark at break of day arising From sullen earth, sings hymns of relevancy at heaven’s gate; For thy sweet relevancy remembered such wealth brings That then I scorn to change the state of this thread.

[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1348167486' post='3032356'] Because YOU find it to not be relevant, does not make it so, my young padawan. You are not the decider of what is and is not relevant, and your entire pressing of this "what you post is irrelevant" angle, is for more irrelevant than my discussions with the Schatt's , and Gibs, and Sabcat's of this thread. Practice what you preach bro and move along home. [/quote] I find it it to be irrelevant because IT IS, my young fetus. What you are doing is going to a funeral and pissing on the casket.

[quote name='hobbies0310' timestamp='1348167300' post='3032355'] Lol where the hell did this happen? No one in any C&G alliance said that at all during the many conversations that were had about this stupid war. [/quote] Would you two please explain to me how this is at all relevant to the fact that Int and LSF happen to have different FA paths and have therefore decided to end their now useless treaty?

[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1348166865' post='3032346'] If you find the conversation surrounding the underlying cause for this cancellation to be irrelevant, stop replying to posts not directed at you,and let us continue our little personal debate. We are causing no harm to you, we are not straying off the topic at hand, you simply have the choice to reply or not. Make the choice not to, if this is so "irrelevant". K, thx. [/quote] It is more than just that, you (edit: and others) are turning this cancellation thread into a grunge match between Int and LSF over a completely irrelevant issue.

[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1348166634' post='3032342'] What gov members of INT may or may not have known for weeks or months, is completely irrelevant to the fact that they cannot go to war without an official vote of the war council. Nor can they even hold that vote, without 1st discussing with their MADP blocmates. That you, or Trot, or anyone else assumed, that when this was brought to us, we would cheerfully say "yes, lets go be the baseball bat for an alliance that has not so much as even bothered to come plead their case to us themselves, thats a right keen idea!," shows how little grasp you, and possibly even he, had on the situation as a whole at that time. The fact is, when it was brought to us, we pointed out stupidity after stupidity after stupidity in your grand scheme, and those members of the war council said "wow, maybe they are right, this is pretty dumb" and minds were changed. THAT is what matters. Minds were changed BEFORE any binding vote happened. You can pretend like it didnt go down that way, but that is 100% the way it went down. [/quote] Thee may ask, how is this irrelevant? Let me count the ways. This is irrelevant to the depth and breadth and height My soul can see, when feeling out of sight that this is irrelevant For the ends of Being and ideal Grace even know that is discussion is completely irrelevant. This thread is irrelevant to the level of everyday's Most desperate need I have for you to stop, by sun and candle-light. I shall freely say, as men strive for Right, that this discussion is god damn irrelevant; This discussion is purely irrelevant, as it turns from Praise. I despise this discussion with a passion put to use In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith. This discussion is irrelevant with an irrelevance I seemed to lose the words to describe With my lost saints, --- I despise the discussion with the breath, Smiles, tears, of all my life! --- and, if God choose, I shall but despise this disussion after death.

[quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1348166012' post='3032338'] FFS Rush, this is embarrassing now, give it up. We have established from this thread that Int Gov were either aware or directly involved in our schemes, for months. We have established that half the world knew, including Int's membership. The message from Int to LSF was "we're with you, if this blows up into war, we're in". This was the message right up to the point that NoR parked their tanks on our lawn when Int had other ideas. Again, to spell it out for you, if like NATO or other allies Int had either had no involvement or knowledge of our actions then this treaty would not be cancelled. It's not hard to understand and doesn't require anyone to go reading charters or picking through the details of a treaty. [/quote] What both of you need to learn is that this entire conversation is irrelevant. All that is important to this thread is that our two alliances, LSF and Int, have realized that our FA paths have become too conflicting to maintain a treaty. Nothing More. Nothing less.

[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1348165403' post='3032334'] Im not denying you are right, but my response is in response to someone else saying that any one person's word in INT is binding to the entire alliance. When it clearly is not. There is little doubt that this outcome for LSF-INT was inevitable, nor am I here to debate that. [/quote] But your post implies that is a meaningful and relevant discussion. It is not.

[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1348164801' post='3032331'] If what an alliance leader says, goes... 100% of the time... what do charters exist for? It is not for you to sit here and tell INT how their alliance should function. They set their rules in place at the time of their inception. A war can only be approved by the vote of the war council. Its not brand spanking new material they just made up for !@#$% and giggles one day prior to LSF going off the reservation. It has ALWAYS been there. ALWAYS GIBS. As in, it has never NOT been that way for INT. Why is this so hard for you to grasp? This post is filled with people telling INT membership they are wrong, for doing exactly what their charter demands them to do. THEY VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO GO TO NON MANDATORY WARS. Its not your place, Schatt's place, or anyone else's place to tell them they should just put all their power in their GenCom. The GenCom's powers are spelled out rather specifically in their charter. Like it or not, they handled their business as an alliance, the way their charter led them to. That it did not line up with what ... certain factions.. hoped it would line up with, is not a negative on their alliance. The absolutely HILARIOUS part of all this? If they had done something controversial that was AGAINST their charter, the same cast of characters would be out here linking articles of the charter (and dont flipping deny it, Ive seen it in 479843768479840794379 thread about raiding.) Its freaking ridiculous. You dont like what INT did, dont try to get close to them. Its really the freaking simple. The nerve, following a charter. [/quote] It doesn't matter what the leaders NOR what the membership decided on that particular FA policy. All that matters is that the two alliances have incompatible general FA policies and philosophies and have therefore decided the treaty is meaningless.

Wow, 17 pages? This is really simple, so I'm going to make this clear: [b]NONE OF THE BICKERING IN HERE REFLECTS THE ACTUAL FEELINGS OF EITHER ALLIANCE.[/b] What we have here is as simple as it is possible for a concept to be: LSF and Int have found that their FA policies and philosophies diverge too drastically to have a meaningful treaty. The treaty is therefore recognized as pointless. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Most General Response to some concerns: I don't know for sure if LSF would have gone to war if it weren't for the support and unofficial promises LSF received from Int beforehand.

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[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1341303516' post='3002414'] Is this a real thread? Or is this just fantasy? I'm caught in a landslide - oh what on Bob is this travesty? Open your eyes, and look up to the sky and see... GOD has come down with a bad case of sympathy So they've come here now to save our souls By declaring on the International Any way this war goes, it doesn't really matter to me To me. Trotsky; Xiph surely knows your plan. You'll put a nuke against his head, push the button, now GOD is dead. But Trotsky! I just joined LSF! And now you've gone and thrown us all away! Trotsky, Ooh! I don't want my nation to fry! If I'm at ZI again by this time now tomorrow, carry on, carry on, as if LSF doesn't matter. But it's too late now. Martens' time has come. It sent shivers down my spine when he posted his thread for the last time. He said "Goodbye everybody, I'm going to go. Gonna leave you all behind to face the truth!" So Xiphosis, Ooh! There's no need to make GOD die. There was no reason for this war to be declared at all! I see a little silhouetto of a man; Xiphosis! Xiphosis! INT requests to do the tango! Nukes flying in the night are such a pleasant sight to me! Oh Xiphosis (Oh Xiphosis) Oh Xiphosis (Oh Xiphosis) Oh Xiphosis; Why did you attack the Int-er-nat-ion-al? Why would you go and hit our trusted ally If you really want to help our war against the fash in NoR, and save LSF from this monstrosity? Easy to hit INT I know, but CNG won't let you go! They will not, no! They will not let you go! (Let them go!) And LSF won't let the fascists go! (Let them go!) We will not, we'll nuke them in the toes! (Let them go!) We will not let them go (Let them go!) Will not let them go-o-o-o No no no no no no no! Oh Xiphosis, Oh Xiphosis, you are still a comrade, no? Elesef will have His will carried out on thee. On thee. On thee! So you thought you'd come around and spit in INT's eyes? While you sit there wishing for the LSF to die? Oh Xiphy! Don't do this to me Xiphy! You better get out, you better get on right out of here! LSF doesn't matter, anyone can see. The LSF doesn't matter, this whole war is all about, Dave93. [/quote] *sniff* so beautiful *sniff*

[quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1340408286' post='2993005'] Bottom line, everyone in your alliance thought that posting "$%&@ them in the ass" was oh-so clever. You giggled like little girls at the thought. Every one of your members that posted in that fake apology thread was antagonistic. [/quote] That's another thing I should mention, only I and one other person thought it was a good idea to post the thread at the time, with three people at the time against it (and nobody else on IRC).

[quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1340407162' post='2992996'] Right. Because impersonating IRON's leadership, then insulting him, then posting "$%&@ you in the ass", that isn't at *all* designed to start a fight. [/quote] Those actions were done by myself and 1-2 others, please don't fault my comrades for the mistakes we few made.

[quote name='Gingervites' timestamp='1340406685' post='2992990'] Not your war, LSF is the war. These wars are happening because of you guys, LSF provoked them to happen. [/quote] One of the reasons I felt compelled to make this personal apology was because it's the fault of myself and very few others. LSF as a whole had very little to do with this, but LSF is paying the price.

[quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1340399777' post='2992933'] Their alliance is being destroyed. Their largest nation is bill locked, hasn't paid bills in a week, can't even fire his nukes to fight back. The only thing they are sincere about is that they wish we weren't beating the crap out of them. [/quote] NoR already was destroying us, the only reason I come to apologize is for the mistakes I have personally made.

I come here to the OWF today to apologize for my role in creating the insincere apology to IRON. Right now our two alliances are fighting a war that was started over misunderstanding and stupid mistakes that I directly contributed to and that that I am sincerely sorry for. Our hope, as an alliance, is that we can not only come to a peaceful resolution with IRON, but form a peace that does not set the precedent that this kind of behavior is acceptable. Not a single voting citizen of the LSF, and I say this quite literally, desires to further fight IRON, for we have no qualms with that respectable alliance. In fact, the only reason this war even started in the first place was because of the sheer idiocy myself and select few others in LSF have displayed and that IRON had no choice in responding to. So I hope that we can bury the hatchet, and move forward on a path that is just and right. Seeing as peace is such a desirable goal, and my personal actions are so clearly in the wrong, I write this apology not out of force, but freely and without the demand of IRON. Whatever your views on the matter, I humbly request you do not blame my comrades for the mistakes I and few others in our alliance have made. Everyone with sense can see what I did is wrong, my only hope is that I can be forgiven. Like Dag Hammarskjold once wisely spoke "forgiveness is the answer to the child's dream of a miracle by which what is broken is made whole again, what is soiled is made clean again." Lastly, I still do stand by my claim that the concept of Quantum Superposition is awesome .

[quote name='Tick1' timestamp='1340320761' post='2992223'] However the fact that you guys have failed to update your charter accordingly so your alliance can vote swiftly is your own fault. After four years as an alliance I can assure you this isn't the first time this issue has arising. [/quote] As an old time LSFer (this is my second nation), I do not remember a single instance in which we really needed to get something done in that time frame.

Again, quorum requires 50%+1 of the entire alliance to agree and we have never, in the entire history of LSF, gotten that level of voter turnout. [OOC] Its just not possible to expect 50%+1 of an alliance to pay enough attention to an internet spreadsheet game to vote, esp. in a 3-12 hour time frame.[/OOC].

Actually Tick1 is sort of right, but not really. Theoretically, we could accomplish something in 3 hours using quorum. However, 50%+1 of the entire alliance (not just voters) has to agree, and we have not had that voter turn out in the entire history of LSF.