Millencolin

2. Impeachment: i. Triumvirs may be tried by impeachment proceedings upon a simple majority from the collective ministers. The Triumvirs being impeached have a right to make their case against their accusers. The Director of \m/land Security will oversee the trial and act as an impartial Judge. The Ministers, excluding the individual who called for the Triumvir’s impeachment, will act as the Jury along with 4 randomly selected Deputy Ministers. If the Triumvir is found guilty by the Jury, the Triumvir has been impeached. In order to remove the Triumvir from office a vote must be taken by the Membership to remove the Triumvir. The case for and against the Triumvir must be presented in an orderly and professional manner. The membership will be given 3 days to read the material and decide for themselves whether or not to remove the Triumvir from office. On the 4th day, an impartial Vote will be taken where the membership will be required to post “yea” to remove the Triumvir, or “Nay” to keep him. After 48 hours, the vote will be closed and the votes will be tallied. The vote must be at least 75% or higher to remove the Triumvir from Office. If the vote fails to remove the Triumvir, his powers will be returned to him. [b]Individuals who move for the Impeachment and removal of a Triumvir may not be removed from \m/ for their stance during the Impeachment and Removal proceedings[/b]. Now, I can understand me and d3filed getting kicked for our "treason", but the other two are protected via the charter.

http://pastebin.com/yAfRDdyz This is what d3filed and I did. Now, as far as the other two, per the updated \m/ charter on the site, they would have been protected during the duration of the impeachment proceedings (4 days).

[quote name='Lukapaka' timestamp='1282123302' post='2421416'] Out of curiosity, were any of those four (D3filed, Millencolin, Lezrahi, or Goby) previous members of \m/ government? [/quote] D3filed/Goby were MoW/DMoW and me and Lezrahi where MoF/DMoF

So be it. You realize that by quashing those in favor of your impeachment, you are in violation of your charter document.

And I was under the impression that people had warchest standards for a reason. Oh, this is exactly why.

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1282031246' post='2419221'] So is \m/ going to actually defend Merrie at any point, or are they just going to continue to cry here on the forums? Not one \m/ember is willing to stand up and protect Merrie? No? [/quote] Considering diplomacy was the first action instead of instantly jumping to our guns. Hey, what a concept, that.

Per our charter: These individuals are the only ones authorized to speak on behalf of the alliance, and only in regard to their respective positions. Foreign Affairs isn't Internal Affairs. i. You may leave during peacetime with no consequence provided you have no outstanding debts to its members. You are required to post your resignation in the appropriate section on the Forums or by informing a Government member of \m/. There was no resignation post, and none of us government members were informed. Pre-emptive attacks are pre-emptive.

Look at all of you, blowing up the small details. But yet, some of you were complaining at us for not following our charter in months past. We do, and we get harassed for following it. Just can't win, can we.

[quote name='Edifice' timestamp='1282028593' post='2419128'] Err... I think the situation changes a bit when we are in the context of individual nations who are supposedly unaffiliated with an alliance. If some random person tells me that they plan on going rogue on me, I think it is pretty ridiculous to condemn me/my alliance for doing something beforehand, instead of waiting for him to attack on his own terms. (I also think it would be stupid of the alliance to do nothing about it) [/quote] This is where I wouldn't pre-empt them, but be on guard if/when they do. Until they actually do the action of going rogue, it's just drivel, hyperbole. I could spout off about going rogue on Legion nations, but until I actually do, they can't really do much.

Let's wait for an official Triumvirate post as the voice of \m/ before going off the deep end. Before referring to the logs posted, Merrie Melodies did not resign from \m/ before he was attacked.

[quote name='heggo' timestamp='1282027516' post='2419083'] Well I guess the only question left is whether or not you're capable of defending your own members. Be warned, though. In the NSO's experience, defending your members may be counted as a CB against you. [/quote] Yeah... thanks for the tip there.

[quote name='Confusion' timestamp='1282027168' post='2419064'] Well, it matters because he said "let's rumble"... So is that rogue talk, or Government Official of \m/ talk? [/quote] Ministers in \m/ are in gov, but as has been reiterated in the past, the Triu\m/virate is the voice of \m/. It's not official unless they sign off on it. Clearly, that doesn't matter, as recent history has shown us with this whole NSO situation, but I personally am smart enough to not get into situations where I speak for my alliance.

[quote name='heggo' timestamp='1282027149' post='2419062'] So you're claiming him as a member? [/quote] I see no reason to do otherwise, he was merely posturing and did nothing to deserve getting attacked. He didn't accept aid, hit anyone in STA, or violate their GGA "protectorate".

[quote name='rabonnobar' timestamp='1282026858' post='2419048'] Is that last bit said as a government member of \m/ or as a rogue? [/quote] I don't see why it matters. Until actual action is taken, it's just meaningless posturing. As far as I can tell, he didn't ask to be de-masked and is still flying the \m/ AA.

I'm not overly pleased with the pre-empting of our members. If you're going to attack him for going rogue, wait for him to do it first. I sense STA acting like TOP here. "He threatened to do this, so we're just going to attack him anyway" OOC: Considering that there are no defensive slots available for me or others in \m/ (who are active) to take them up on their offer, and my offensive slots are full, saying we punked out really doesn't say much.