ComradeHitochi

EDIT: The topic should be "Likes" not "Links" Nations Created Per Day: Thursday 5/13/2010 - 315 Wednesday 5/12/2010 - 255 Tuesday 5/11/2010 - 171 Monday 5/10/2010 - 219 Sunday 5/9/2010 - 216 Saturday 5/8/2010 - 200 Friday 5/7/2010 - 183 Thursday 5/6/2010 - 192 Wednesday 5/5/2010 - 163 Tuesday 5/4/2010 - 145 Seems to be increasing significantly, I would be interested in seeing this "facebook liking" competition happen again when school starts letting out (College is letting out now, which may be a factor as well).

[quote name='OsRavan' date='06 May 2010 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1273208640' post='2289932'] The right to claim the title "Best Recruiting Alliance" [/quote] Who gave you the right to give someone this title?

All I can say is if NPO tried to make any alliance of the G15 pay reps such as these, said alliance would disband. There is no other alliance that has the coordination and loyalty to pay off this much.

[quote name='Lord Brendan' date='01 May 2010 - 09:17 PM' timestamp='1272770233' post='2283388'] Entertaining as always. I look forward to seeing you out of terms, and hope that you do not repeat your past mistakes. Wasn't that the way it was from the beginning? [/quote] That is the point of the OP. That is how it was SUPPOSED to be from the beginning, Londo has requested otherwise, it seems.

[quote name='MNNorthStars' date='01 May 2010 - 03:58 PM' timestamp='1272751102' post='2283049'] Another excellent read, although the whining is getting a bit stale. [/quote] This is the first I have heard of reparations being forwarded to Mushroom Kingdom from Athens and Sparta. That is the only thing that could remotely be interpreted as a whine. How can something new be stale?

I think World Federation will give them a protectorate.

[quote name='Gerald Meane' date='26 April 2010 - 04:37 PM' timestamp='1272321411' post='2276492'] That's fine then in terms of protecting 2-3 men alliances. However you can't deny that they violated their charter, and as such were in turn open to repercussions detailed within. [/quote] And were willing to take whatever repercussions for now. Its not that were doing this to spite GGA, as stated before we had pretty good relations with GGA, just a couple differences. I know that I, and many members of wF, definitely agree that they have a right to start their own alliance. That is all. We would protect anyone, if we knew they weren't alliance hoppers and willing/able to do the work necessary to run an alliance. And if we knew them. And if they don't blatantly hate pandas. And if the chosen one, enrage, agrees.

[quote name='Gerald Meane' date='26 April 2010 - 04:17 PM' timestamp='1272320240' post='2276476'] And by the charter of the GGA which Tendo accepted when he signed his oath, and is legally obligated to abide by JB is well within rights to act how he pleases. [/quote] And were well within our rights to protect whoever the #$*@ we please. They are still well within their rights to attack - and we can choose to defend or not (as can NSO for that matter). Also, as per your earliar post, some other alliances that started with two or less members that we not only recognize, but protect: [url=http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance_stats_custom.asp?Alliance=The%20United%20Incorporated%20Republics]UIR[/url] [url=http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance_stats_custom.asp?Alliance=Midnight%20Order]MO[/url] [url=http://www.cybernations.net/stats_alliance_stats_custom.asp?Alliance=zealot+confederacy]zC[/url] We started as a 1 man alliance, (insert praise to enrage here), and we know what its like starting out with next to nothing.

[quote name='GoddessOfLinn' date='26 April 2010 - 11:09 AM' timestamp='1272301732' post='2276135'] That is nice, but since GGA is not wF, they can handle it any way they like and RGN did make an hostile act against GGA. So did wF by offering RGN a protectorate when you knew GGA had 'isues' with RGN.[/quote] And wF is not GGA, so we can make our counter move, in this case offering a protectorate, any way we would like. [quote] If you start thinking about making your own alliance then it is time to step down from gov. and maybe even leave the alliance, but you should without question talk to you alliance leader even if you think he is the problem. If you stay and plan the whole thing and talk to other people about it then it becomes a hostile act (or treason). [/quote] I believe tendo did step down, he was originally govt. of GGA. [quote]That was not what happend, They only talke among themself, they did not talk to JB or any of the other gov. member as far as I know.[/quote] In protectorate talks it was stated that they left because they were unhappy of the 'inner circle' of GGA that consists of dementual bilrow (idk who this is) and JB. Kenfolk has admitted to the fact that he seems out of the loop as well. [quote]Giving puplic support to wF's actions then they could have said so in private and not said anything in public. They choose to support wF giving RGN a protectorate public.[/quote] VE never made an official announcement stating that their entire alliance was behind it. They had individual members (albeit some are in govt) support it in this thread. As I am sure you do not speak for your whole alliance stating that you all condemn it (unless you announce it, with an alliance flag and all that good stuff, I take it to mean your alliance is not officially against it). [quote]Then you can ofcause provide logs, screenshots that support that, JB has shown us [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=84700&view=findpost&p=2275017"]logs[/url] that show Compound saying wF is not protecting RGN.[/quote] <+Jonathan_Brookbank[GGA]> TheNecromancer and tendo are in a state of war with the Grand Global Alliance. ^ said to enrage, can't release the full logs since enrage just said he wouldn't. But of course you can see that he wouldn't of said that to enrage unless enrage had already said that he was protecting RGN. (Why else would JB talk to wF about it at all?) Also: <Dementual> Find a lovely timestamp on that quote <Dementual> Next time you go posting it around <Dementual> It was quite a while before the wF thread was posted Proving that the order of events should be: 1) Tendo n necro DoE. 2) wF says they will protect them 3) JB says hes at a state of war with GGA 4) wF officially announces the protectorate 5) This. [quote]Well, if people want to have the right leave their alliance they should not join one where you are require to as for permittion to leave and it really should not be a problem for GGA what you support! Hey, who dont like pandas [/quote] I agree! At the same time though, you join an alliance when you are new to the game, reading a long charter isnt something one really wants to do. I know I didn't read ours till much later! If there was something I didn't like in there when I did read it, I probably would have left or tried to change it. But thats neither here nor there. [quote name='FreddieMercury' date='26 April 2010 - 11:33 AM' timestamp='1272303205' post='2276151'] Nice, pushing around GGA who you know doesn't have sizable power to oppose you. They're obviously in the right and it's laughable when you all try to spin that. wF, you haven't changed since the UED war, color me surprised . And VE, backing them up all the same [/quote] I believe GGA said it best when they said [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=30714]Proof = were bigger[/url]. Karmas a !@#$%* right? But hey you only agree with that saying sometimes.

[quote name='GoddessOfLinn' date='26 April 2010 - 08:47 AM' timestamp='1272293231' post='2275988'] I too would like to know if VE & wF thinks it is ok to send recruitement letters to friends to make a new alliance and if it is ok to plan making a new alliance while staying a member (in this case a gov. member) of your alliance. One might think that friends would follow you when you leave or at the everyleast contact you to ask you why you are leaving. It is might have been a posibility to have posted a thread on the forum telling the rest of the members why you are leaving. Talking to the rest of goverment telling them that you will leave the alliance, if this and that step is taken, would also have been a good idea. As I see it a gov. member talked to other gov. members and agreed on making a new alliance if the rest of gov. did move in the direction they wanted. They did not tell the rest of gov. what they would do until afterwards. GGA then declare war on the splinter group. Then wF gives them a protectorate, supported by VE. Please tell me if i misunderstood anything and what! [/quote] Can't speak for either government, as I am just a member of wF. BUT, just as a fact I'd like to state that we have had wF spliter groups, (four to be exact), and every single one of them was offered a protectorate! Even when it was obvious that they 'recruited' from within wF (its impossible to start an alliance without any forethought, and if they left together to start an alliance together, they must have 'recruited'). [quote]Talking to the rest of goverment telling them that you will leave the alliance, if this and that step is taken, would also have been a good idea.[/quote] I believe that this is what happened. They were talking about how JB didn't consult them with his FA moves, and they stated that maybe they should leave. From there the alliance was 'formed.' Kenfolk was there from the beginning. [quote]GGA then declare war on the splinter group. Then wF gives them a protectorate, supported by VE. Please tell me if i misunderstood anything and what![/quote] VE didn't support giving them the protectorate. They supported wF's moves because they are wFs (closest) ally! Do you see the subtle difference? There was no original plan like "lets give them a protectorate so we can attack GGA afterwards" .. to be honest we didn't even know that people who leave GGA get attacked prior to giving the protectorate (I believe, again not government). Also, as mentioned above, wF gave the protectorate prior to JB declaring war. Also, GGA didn't declare war on them, because only JB declared war, multiple members of his government stated that THEY werent at war with RGN... while JB said he was. I'm not sure how that works (kinda new to the game). Anyways, in conclusion, wF supports EVERYONES RIGHT TO BE IN WHATEVER ALLIANCE THEY WANT, whether its one they start or ours. If someone else says that a member of their alliance CANT LEAVE, we don't support that. Also, we like pandas.