Walshington

Let me see if I can guess why it has run its course -- was it that you used your fully wondered, nuke capable nation to attack a bunch of people without those things, and now your warchest has run dry and it's not fun for you anymore? Because I can't see that anything else has changed since you declared. When you join an alliance at war, you join their cause. You declared your allegiance. Don't sell them out now that it's hard. Hmmm... you fought me and that just didn't seem right to me somehow. Are you actually TRYING to make St. Mungo's life hard?

If only that was how it worked: "Attack an alliance for no other reason than you don't like them, expect to be released without consequences when you've had enough." Glad you've enjoyed the war so far to its fullest -- "so far" being the operative term. Hope no harm comes to Scotland because of your actions. Edit: Wait -- wasn't Scotland the alliance that Monsters gave 48 hours to disband? No, this is what everyone tends to call "an abandonment". As to your request: requests of that nature are most frequently accompanied by a surrender or peace agreement of some sort. You can't start a war on whim and then simply expect to have it ended on one. Put that shoe on the other foot and tell me how it fits. On the plus side, SRA also " recognizes the contribution made by Roal to your alliance during the war". Safe to say we shan't soon forget it.

Come on -- let's let the passed be the passed.

"The German Empire" was right there for the taking, too.

*pat pat pat*

Fixed that for you.

Lex Quintus, as I live and breathe! Good to see you back -- it completely underscores the "us vs. the philistines" narrative this war is taking on. For the Oxford comma!

Once more into the breach with Kashmir.

Best of luck to our allies from Varangia in this... whatever this is. We'll see you out there.

Well, it was just a few months back that Monsters Inc. was waxing paranoid about a micro-bloc forming to destroy them. At one point, they were even trying to disband some little alliance named Scotland because they heard they might be joining this bloc, which was never planned and never formed -- mostly because none of the alliances cared about Monsters Inc. or what they were up to. Usually when you go to school you get smarter, but here we are three months on, Monsters Inc has become Monsters University, and have suddenly decided to attack without cause the very alliances they were worried so much about warring to begin with. Apologies to Planet Bob for the sequel, which are never as good as the original, especially when you know it will end just like the first one. Spoiler Alert: WE SURRENDER! The Screaming Red Asses recognize a state of war with Monsters University.

Totally was looking forward to activating the 3/5ths Clause one day. Sad to see, best of luck to all the members going forward.

Well, THAT was an emotional roller coaster! Glad it had a happy ending. Good luck and congrats to all moving forward -- I liked the parts, here's hoping the sum of them is an even bigger success. Are we still neutral, or...?

Congrats on jumpin' around all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree.... Mr. Larry Johnson.

Well… Who might argue with science?

This is good to see, and if it's not good, it is at least something to see. Congrats Hakai!

Congrats on the milestone!

Just go inactive. Life out there is worth living, but now that I'm here and back on Bob, you know you'll be back

Good to see peace. Did this thing ever get a name, or...?

This is good to see, although the actual credit must be given to Hartfw, who provided sage advice in re-pointing me in a positive direction, and Lord Hitchcock, who was able to see the advantage of that direction.

All excellent points, which I have no answer for, as I wasn't there. But it does evade my point, which was should SNX or Scotland really be grateful for the deal Scotland got? I can see why MInc would be -- they got to threaten someone with disbandment because they feel entitled to act upon their perceptions as if they were reality, and then got concessions from the very people they threatened with disbandment. But I can see SNX feeling like they bought a lemon. Even when you signed a contract for that car, you don't thank the salesman.

All due respect, I'm not sure that hartfw went out of his way to help SNX, unless appeasing a paranoid alliance completely at the expense of their ally Scotland was helpful. I mean, honestly, did Scotland or SNX benefit in any way after a public forced disbandment attempt by an alliance who was jilted nowhere but in their leader's mind? If Junka had just swallowed the pill like a good boy, was this a win for SNX or Scotland in any scoring rubric? I honestly can't see any alliance leader taking this well, much less being thankful. Shoe on the other foot, can you?

Oh, well if you were annoyed, then this all makes sense. Was this the bloc that you tried to get SRA to join? Because when I turned you down, I didn't "give you grief". I simply stated I "Cannot join you in this venture for a number of reasons. "

I find it amazing that you didn't see my point. I'll condense it: You don't have the right to determine the course of who another alliance allys based on past grievances, particularly when it is based on faulty intel and is all in your head. The fact that you think you can, and have people who know better backing you on this, is ridiculous.

Well, yeah, let's look at it logically and truthfully: Actually, it is making less sense. If you really didn't want to disband Scotland, why would you announce that you did? And reiterate it? Puts you in a bit of a logical quandary -- were you lying when you said it, or are you lying about not meaning it now? Further, regarding the antagonistic stance of Scotland toward Monsters, Inc, I can find no attacks against you or your allies. You explained it thusly: So now allying yourself with people that MInc has had differences with in the past is a disbanding offense? Particularly when you ALREADY have a NAP with one of the parties (that you are currently violating), and were offered another one: Your threat indicator must be on the fritz. You keep imagining these conspiracies against you (TCA back in the day, and now this imagined bloc), the people involved do everything they can to set your mind at ease, and it is still not enough. Weird coming from the "greatest lower tier fighting machine", who has launched far more offensive attacks against alliances who have done nothing to provoke it than it has been the victim of attacks. Oh, but then there is this: Well, this is twice your "reliable intelligence" has foretold a micro-bloc forming against you, consisting of VG, POSSE, SCOTLAND and SRA. Newsflash: you need a more reliable intelligence system. We allied VG because we knew them (you have a NAP with them now). We learned POSSE existed about a week ago. I had never heard of SCOTLAND until you threatened their disbandment. SRA is not forming a bloc with anyone at the time -- not now, and not when you asked us to form one a month or two ago. You know, if you're curious, you could just ask -- I'm pretty open. Don't really care about MInc, you are not the center of our FA world. It makes you less credible when you act -- and act big -- on intel that is wrong and a little paranoid. Not to mention that MInc seems to be claiming the right to unilaterally determine the FA course of uninvolved alliances entirely based on past grievances? Who actually does this? If this were actually a thing -- and it's not -- no one would be able to treaty anybody. But I digress: If hartfw brokered an agreement that, in response to an announced forced disbandment, had SCOTLAND curtail it's FA policies, apologize for a non-existent affront to MInc, and alter it's tech deals, I hardly think Junka owes him an apology. Seeing as MInc got every term they were looking for in response to an act of aggression based on a trumped up charge, I think Junka owes SCOTLAND an apology for not backing them up more in those talks (which I readily admit I haven't read the full text of. But I did see this: @hartfw[Cowboys]: My interest here is making sure my L_H is satisfied with the resolution, and I persoanlly have no direct qualms with Scotland.) That may or may not be out of context, but seeing the outcome it certainly seems like MInc got every thing it wanted and SCOTLAND got... peace at any price, I guess. If that is helping out an ally, I guess my mileage varies. Don't know what Junka said or didn't say to hartfw on IRC, but his response here on the OWF seemed reasonable given the situation -- unless he agreed to this stuff in the talks themselves, in which case he should hang his head in shame. I have not seen a railroad job like this since the reps of the Beer Guzzlers War, and I can't believe MInc got people who should be able to see through this to back them up on it.

If this is that non-existent "Anti-MInc SRA-VG-POSSE-SCOTLAND Bloc" that you've railed against before that I didn't even know about, then sure -- why wouldn't we all give BMTH veto power over membership? It makes about as much sense as anything else.