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On 5/14/2016 at 0:53 AM, stoyanovp said:

Its not what it is that is the problem. Its using it to pressure a nation young to CN that has now idea what it is or how to handle it. Of course some will seek help from their alliance others will just be confused. So yea I consider it a jerk move, they can attack all they want or all they can (which hasn't been much lately #anarchy24/7) but don't be an ass about it.

 

So you're upset that new nations might quit because of us, but you're not upset at the very thing that is suffocating Bob and hemorrhaging nations? Their politics and curb stomp warfare?! Gtfoh with your ass kissing !@#$%^&*! 

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35 minutes ago, Transcended said:

 

Just a question from this thread seems there is no love lost with tpf and npo.

So why do you praise npo?

im not vested either way, just curious enough to ask

It is not a praise. Warriors believe that the best life we can have would end with death on the battlefield. The worst insult you can give to someone is to tell them that you wish for them to live forever. 

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1 hour ago, brucemania said:

 

By your own admission the falling out began by your choice.  And even with that it continued with the next person in charge and so forth. With that in mind there were attempts to try and solve our issues . Which over time for whatever reasons just came to the point where it was felt that our relationship just was not were it was in the past. People move on simple.  And yes maybe with different discussions as we mentioned before maybe things could of been better.  But the fact is once you signed with MI6 it was determined we were heading in different directions and goals making it of no sense to continue forward at that point.   You choose your path by your own admission and here we are today. 

 

See the difference is that we tried to work with you when you were courting NG. We were opposed to the treaty completely. We were assured that it would be beneficial for both of us if we just gave it a chance. As soon as we were at war Brehon told me that NG & others was pushing for that attack by us. They forced the separation. No that is wrong. I can't blame them at all. As TPF was having activity issues NPO made a well thought over decision to move away from TPF and towards other alliances.

 

We weren't as useful to NPO anymore. Years of beat downs for no reason, but to keep us down took its toll. TPF learned though, right from wrong as leadership changed to TCK, to me, to Roadie. We solidified our direction and we're assured that NPO changed as well. All the time in fact NPO assured us that things would never be like they were. All a fat !@#$@#$ lie! You did to us exactly what you told us you were done with and you were against. It is either that or NPO has no balls to stand up their allies like we stood up to you. I personally thinks it's both. You have no balls nor have you changed at all. Just understand that you and your allies are killing this world.

 

Admin bless your souls and may NPO live forever.

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12 minutes ago, Duderonomy said:

Who needs that challenge when they can flop about and pretend to be relevant? TPF going down in history as bigger try-hards than Valhalla. Silly guys, wonder buying is important for sellers, not infra. Aid will keep that up. In the end they will be a crumbling ruin having accomplished nothing of note.

 

We'll see in 6 months or so. We have all the time in the world, NPO does not. There is no way to force us to stop. The only way is for NPO to surrender, admit their wrongdoing, send us all 10 rounds of tech, and write us a letter of apology. Otherwise, NPO is slowly falling behind optimum tech/aid slot usage and thus anyone plotting against them is benefiting. 

[Imperial Decree - Red Sphere]

My how pretty slavery is. I see that chains come with wonderful gifts on the Red sphere. 

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6 hours ago, Thrash said:

 

Not from what I recall.

 

Correct

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1 hour ago, Neo Uruk said:

lmao dude NPO suffered literally zero repercussions for logs of them condoning racial epithets from allies

 

you really think they're going to worry about a propaganda war when they're actually on defense?

 

Yes! Big bad NPO is on the defense! 400 versus a couple dozen. Please help us more! This war as stated from the beginning was based in propaganda and pain. The NPO is failing miserably. They activated treaties with one alliance that has had excellent relations with us in the past and another that is completely neutral on this and see it as a mess that NPO made themselves. 

 

All the while they are pushing back saying that we were the bad allies, which any rational person and at least half of the old guard in Pacifica know is a bold faced lie. 

 

As this drags on and others see just how they handle what used to be their closest ally, as they see just how flaccid NPO is and need more meat shields to fight us, they will begin to doubt more and more on how they will be dealt with in any disagreement behind closed doors.

 

Peace is a lie

May Pacifica live forever! 

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15 minutes ago, Haflinger said:

Don't be silly, we both know that TPF would have outsourced any tactical decisions to LiquidMercury and done whatever he told them to do, no matter how crazy it seemed.

 

Not after I took over. That's where the falling out began. I refused to attack a direct ally of STA when, 1 they had not attacked a treaty partner and 2 it would force tension between STA and their treaty partner. Oh that was fun! The coalition constantly pushing NPO to get us to do their bidding and we didn't. That was the breaking point. We wouldn't fetch anymore. Then Roadie took over and they thought it would change back. It didn't and that wasn't egg on their faces, but that's another story. I had left shortly after that.

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17 hours ago, stoyanovp said:

So I've read through all of this and I have to say I really can't stay shut anymore. Jude X and the rest of your kind should just stop trying to justify their actions.

 

First it was politically accurate to hit us with a long discussion about ethics and politics. Then it was heroically justified to attack an alliance as large as NPO. Then it was accurate from a military point of view to attack smaller nations. How much more of this is there really?

 

Of course you are gonna get good damage numbers in a 1 v 6 fight.  You can get nuked only once per day while you dish out all the damage you can to all 6 members. Are you proud of your mathematics ? Yes or no it doesn't change the fact that its nothing to brag about.

 

How our nations are developed despite of their age is a personal choice. We don't push people for anymore than they would like to offer.And you feel like attacking year old nations is justified. That is kind of fine with me. But attacking newer members and sending them messages like this:

 

To: fierodude23    From: HailSatan    Date: 4/8/2016 7:56:04 AM

Subject: what sucks

 

Message: you joined the #1 AA to have protection. Not getting much are ya ?

 

To: fierodude23    From: HailSatan    Date: 4/10/2016 6:59:03 AM

Subject: I can make the attacks stop

 

Message: If you switch your AA to TPF POW. All the attacks will stop and you can start to rebuild.

 

You are exactly the scum everybody describes you as for using these kind of tactics.

 

And Judge please stop acting all high and mighty about being justified. We know what your plan was all along

 

So now that we've come to the conclusion that TPF is not going out with a bang but with a !@#$%^ move to target low tier procurers I'll leave you with a promise. I may not know much of Pacifica's past and may be I can't relate and understand this old grudge of yours. But I will stand here for the new members of NPO and as long as you keep terrorizing nations under 15k NS I will be there to keep as many of you as I can in anarchy and to keep you from attacking young unprepared nations.

 

Thanks son, you are winning the war for us. You are making it all the more sweet with your complete lack of knowledge and your rage. I, myself am not hitting new nations. I cannot speak up for the rest of my alliance mates, but opening the eyes of Pacifica's "finest" is just fine. The problem with your alliances approach to their nation building is that when they leverage their guerilla politics things like this happen. We long ago understood this as NPO's closest ally. Giving succinct nation building models and leaving it up to them to manage them at their own rate. All it takes is a single war to get them on track. It builds an alliance of efficient war fighters no matter if they decide to be tech farms or they decide to grow. 

 

Yes idiot, we were your alliances closest ally for the better part of a decade. Defending them both on the battlefield and in politics and when we didn't bend to their will, we were deemed a risk and jettisoned and them attacked preemptively a short time later, because of boredom. The whole, "TPF was going to attack anyways." reasoning is complete bull !@#$! The odds were so overwhelmingly in your sides favor that a preemptive attack was nothing, but spitting in our face. Have no doubt though that NPO is complete garbage. They will turn on anyone that they see as a risk to their agenda and they will subsequently attack them.

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Ask him why he was explaining he didn't because of the previous war. 

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2 hours ago, the rebel said:

 

The delusion of rogues, rogues have always been a treasured thing to pass around as why should only one alliance have all the fun in beating them to dirt?

 

Now if you was a traditional alliance and not a goodbye band of rogues, you would have a point

 

Thankfully your opinion means !@#$ to us. Yes, Vol tales his warring seriously. If you took it half as serious you'd have declared on him by now. But by all means, "recover" as long as you like. 

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What it would really take is Sengoku Jidai, an age of warfare. In my studies of Bushido and Japanese history, sometimes when things stagnate it takes for sone rules to change to incite a scrambling for a new power. 

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I really don't have the time to do it. Between work, a 16 year old on the verge of making her Olympic cut in swim that swims 7 days a week, working out, and multiple women that are upset that they aren't getting enough time I get 3-5 hours of sleep a night. I don't have the hours and hours it takes on IRC and visiting forums to orchestrate change. I know where to stay and with whom, but my days are done.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Thrash said:

 

Who's gonna be left for them to fight considering you've treatied everyone who is already treatied to everyone? The rest of us ain't gonna be around much longer. Isolation was okay when there was lots of people here. Now, you're just wrecking Bob.

 

Exactly. It is just sad that so many are too weak or too afraid to wreck their nation to save all of Bob. That is why we set out to make a unified example on the way out. To sow discord and show that NPO doesn't need to be feared. That any alliance can make a difference with determination and focus once they shed those who are more concerned with saving their pixels, which are going to be deleted soon enough anyways. Bob is dying and fear of chaos to spice things up by the weak is killing it faster. 

 

Many good alliances that want to be good treaty partners are adding to problem. They don't agree, but they won't stand up to the industrial political complex that is NPO for fear of their own alliances well being.

 

Eventually you will all be in the position we are in so take heed. We stagnated because the political field was stagnant. People scrambled and squabbled and begged in order to not get beat down. I did so myself, but then there came a point where it was like, $%&@ it, and TPF started to buck the system. We were forced into a war by NG bending NPO to force us to attack a treaty partners, treaty partner. At that moment all the lies and weakness in the system that WE have built here became apparent. What TPF meant to NPO became apparent. I left, walked away, thankful that I could lose myself at work and let my nation slip away into inactivity. I left just one instruction or I never would have returned. Activate me when NPO attacks. 

 

Yes it certainly was partly our fault in TPF that our relationship died, but I'll not claim 50% as NPO would like. It is NPO and their cronies fault. They have stagnated Bob and the rest of you are helping.

 

In our fight to crawl or if the hole of curb stumps I never wanted to be one to hand one out to anyone, except in extenuating circumstances where they were detrimental to the whole community. Admittedly I am ashamed that TPF stayed as long as we did in the last war that I was around for. I am so glad that NG and the rest hated me for my refusals to protect their pixels. 

 

Each and every alliance that piles on us only shows what we ate saying is truth. Badly built nations are not or fault, they are yours, own it and take your licks and stop being a !@#$%* about it. 

 

The trust thing I ever read here. Peace is a lie. 

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I think the call it war when a whole alliance fights another whole alliance. 

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1 hour ago, Lady Red said:

 

I was always a bit of an odd child. I didn't play well with others.  I nuked my first tech raid on the second day. And when I war, I like to fill all my slots.  It reminds me of the good ol' days when wars meant something. Afterwards, it took about five minutes to fix that damage so I could go charging head first at other people (there's alot of them to pick from now).  Me as a one nation sample could be somewhat representative of how long it will take the NPO, and an entire bloc full of tech buyers, to fix all of the nations hit by TPF in your entire campaign. 

 

 

I completely agree. Frawley is asleep at the wheel. No one in TPF is crying. Everyone left signed up for this. They simply are educating those attacking us what we went through and how easy it was to drop us when we wanted to add our own treaty. I personally think that Non Grata is driving. 

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5 minutes ago, brucemania said:

 

Not that i recall but Invicta did declare on us i beleive a year ago .. point is this .... You all had a choice after the MI6 war and maybe even before that.... and that choice was to talk to our gov and see if there was a possibility of reconsiliation and given our past together i am almost sure ( am not gov) but am almost sure that them doors could of been opened.  Instead your so called leadership decided to cry that we owe you the world please dont  hit us.  Fact is i beleive you did get a apology to the was the DoW Was written at the time of the MI6 war but aside from that you still cried and are still using the same crap now .... do what you want that is YOUR choice .. you made the bed now enjoy what you are getting in return as you have earned it.

 

Yes open the door to do what NPO wanted because NPO is all that is important? I understand you think they are the most important because you're in NPO, but we aren't your puppets or meat shields. 

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4 minutes ago, Alexio15 said:

Not quite sure how Non Grata comes into the point of Atlas being thrown away and the actions of TPF  I referred to. But hey please do run through what I have surely missed. Although I don't really care much for the drama or lack of (depending where you sit on those things) that occurred between you and Non Grata that's non of my business. 

 

 

You spoke on TPF signing a treaty that NPO had issues with. I might not have been here at the time, but a good portion of why I stepped down and left was because of the Non Grata treaty. I was vocal, TPF was vocal, and we were assured that it wouldn't affect our relationship, but it did immediately. 

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14 minutes ago, Alexio15 said:

Why because some have things going on and aren't as prepared just yet as others . Not to mention some just love warring a lot more. You have those in alliances.

You are right as President of Atlas I am a meatshield for my alliance all day every day and nothing will change that. My allies want my help and members want war I'm not going to deny them the chance or leave my allies on the field of battle.

Well we haven't gone out of our way to burn the bridges that we have with those allies. So I don't expect that to happen because let's be frank we aren't trying at every turn to be inactive and not talk to them. Or hell even sign with an alliance that you know full well they disliked at the time.

 

You mean like Non Grata? Damn I wish I had mIRC instead of Mibbit...

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1 hour ago, WarriorSoul said:

 

I think the lack of responses on this thread indicates something other than that. Might just be that it's been the same nonsense for 17 pages and if you've read one page, you've read 'em all. But you don't want to hear that, so believe what you'd like!

 

And it would seem you do care at this point, otherwise you wouldn't continue to push your anti-ebil NPO message to everyone you come across. But what do I know? 

To be clear, I and TPF have great respect for RnR and I wish that I had been able to broker a treaty with both you and RIA and possibly ODN. Having said that our CB is rock solid and I have no doubt that there is political twisting going on to be seen as a whole so as not to become a target. We are not along for any quarter at all, but I'll point out that those aligned against NPO are taking notes right now looking to see who they really need to focus on treating to or hitting first to marginalize them in their limp wristed fighting, yet heavy handed politics. I have no doubt that many allies are looking on and wondering just how much of a liability NPO is. 

 

Also, I miss the days of NATO as well where politics were less important than knowing that we had each others back. Too bad NPO acts like they were the only ones who dug them out of the holeading they were in. 

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I'm not whining at all. I declared in a single nation under 2 years old, hit him once, realized it, and sent peace. I had all of these wonders before my third year. If they haven't built a decent wonder base by 2 years why should I give 2 $%&@s about them?! I was inactive for 2 years of NPO prosperity. I built my nation in spite of recurring beat downs, they are bad allies for having 5 year old nations with half my wonders. I'm not going to stop pointing it out. So what you want to be a damn tech farm, buy a wonder every month! No whining here! Just pointing out weakness and acknowledging good alliances being forced to be meat shields through treaties. Notice that hoe ass Non Grata wasn't mentioned? If NPO really was this powerhouse they'd have plenty of fighting nations that could cut infra to!drop in and fight us, then aid them out to get them back where they were. Epic fail really because that's what every single fighting alliance has done in the past. 

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It seems as though the NPO just isn't living up to the hype of #1. Honestly it is too bad that more and more are getting involved for little old us. I truly respect RnR, we had excellent relations in the past. I respect Atlas as well, they are just holding up to their treaty. Don't lost sight of what is important though. The NPO is using their allies to fight their battles as usual.

 

Trust that we were there in that position for a long time, but there came a point where we could no longer blindly support the very system that is destroying Bob. We've paid the price for that. Gladly. 

 

o/ RnR

o/ Atlas

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3 hours ago, Steve Buscemi said:

I'm thinking of reforming TPF b/c I'm very unhappy with my current alliance.  Do you have any tips for how I can make it not suck like the first TPF?

Let's see. No members from a future Poison Clan/NG should be part of it. It'll save a period of having to clean up pure !@#$. That would be an excellent start. 

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Tl;Dr

Go Poison Clan go!


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