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So you're upset that new nations might quit because of us, but you're not upset at the very thing that is suffocating Bob and hemorrhaging nations? Their politics and curb stomp warfare?! Gtfoh with your ass kissing !@#$%^&*!

It is not a praise. Warriors believe that the best life we can have would end with death on the battlefield. The worst insult you can give to someone is to tell them that you wish for them to live forever.

See the difference is that we tried to work with you when you were courting NG. We were opposed to the treaty completely. We were assured that it would be beneficial for both of us if we just gave it a chance. As soon as we were at war Brehon told me that NG & others was pushing for that attack by us. They forced the separation. No that is wrong. I can't blame them at all. As TPF was having activity issues NPO made a well thought over decision to move away from TPF and towards other alliances. We weren't as useful to NPO anymore. Years of beat downs for no reason, but to keep us down took its toll. TPF learned though, right from wrong as leadership changed to TCK, to me, to Roadie. We solidified our direction and we're assured that NPO changed as well. All the time in fact NPO assured us that things would never be like they were. All a fat !@#$@#$ lie! You did to us exactly what you told us you were done with and you were against. It is either that or NPO has no balls to stand up their allies like we stood up to you. I personally thinks it's both. You have no balls nor have you changed at all. Just understand that you and your allies are killing this world. Admin bless your souls and may NPO live forever.

We'll see in 6 months or so. We have all the time in the world, NPO does not. There is no way to force us to stop. The only way is for NPO to surrender, admit their wrongdoing, send us all 10 rounds of tech, and write us a letter of apology. Otherwise, NPO is slowly falling behind optimum tech/aid slot usage and thus anyone plotting against them is benefiting.

My how pretty slavery is. I see that chains come with wonderful gifts on the Red sphere.

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Yes! Big bad NPO is on the defense! 400 versus a couple dozen. Please help us more! This war as stated from the beginning was based in propaganda and pain. The NPO is failing miserably. They activated treaties with one alliance that has had excellent relations with us in the past and another that is completely neutral on this and see it as a mess that NPO made themselves. All the while they are pushing back saying that we were the bad allies, which any rational person and at least half of the old guard in Pacifica know is a bold faced lie. As this drags on and others see just how they handle what used to be their closest ally, as they see just how flaccid NPO is and need more meat shields to fight us, they will begin to doubt more and more on how they will be dealt with in any disagreement behind closed doors. Peace is a lie May Pacifica live forever!

Not after I took over. That's where the falling out began. I refused to attack a direct ally of STA when, 1 they had not attacked a treaty partner and 2 it would force tension between STA and their treaty partner. Oh that was fun! The coalition constantly pushing NPO to get us to do their bidding and we didn't. That was the breaking point. We wouldn't fetch anymore. Then Roadie took over and they thought it would change back. It didn't and that wasn't egg on their faces, but that's another story. I had left shortly after that.

Thanks son, you are winning the war for us. You are making it all the more sweet with your complete lack of knowledge and your rage. I, myself am not hitting new nations. I cannot speak up for the rest of my alliance mates, but opening the eyes of Pacifica's "finest" is just fine. The problem with your alliances approach to their nation building is that when they leverage their guerilla politics things like this happen. We long ago understood this as NPO's closest ally. Giving succinct nation building models and leaving it up to them to manage them at their own rate. All it takes is a single war to get them on track. It builds an alliance of efficient war fighters no matter if they decide to be tech farms or they decide to grow. Yes idiot, we were your alliances closest ally for the better part of a decade. Defending them both on the battlefield and in politics and when we didn't bend to their will, we were deemed a risk and jettisoned and them attacked preemptively a short time later, because of boredom. The whole, "TPF was going to attack anyways." reasoning is complete bull !@#$! The odds were so overwhelmingly in your sides favor that a preemptive attack was nothing, but spitting in our face. Have no doubt though that NPO is complete garbage. They will turn on anyone that they see as a risk to their agenda and they will subsequently attack them.

Ask him why he was explaining he didn't because of the previous war.

Thankfully your opinion means !@#$ to us. Yes, Vol tales his warring seriously. If you took it half as serious you'd have declared on him by now. But by all means, "recover" as long as you like.

What it would really take is Sengoku Jidai, an age of warfare. In my studies of Bushido and Japanese history, sometimes when things stagnate it takes for sone rules to change to incite a scrambling for a new power.

I really don't have the time to do it. Between work, a 16 year old on the verge of making her Olympic cut in swim that swims 7 days a week, working out, and multiple women that are upset that they aren't getting enough time I get 3-5 hours of sleep a night. I don't have the hours and hours it takes on IRC and visiting forums to orchestrate change. I know where to stay and with whom, but my days are done.

Exactly. It is just sad that so many are too weak or too afraid to wreck their nation to save all of Bob. That is why we set out to make a unified example on the way out. To sow discord and show that NPO doesn't need to be feared. That any alliance can make a difference with determination and focus once they shed those who are more concerned with saving their pixels, which are going to be deleted soon enough anyways. Bob is dying and fear of chaos to spice things up by the weak is killing it faster. Many good alliances that want to be good treaty partners are adding to problem. They don't agree, but they won't stand up to the industrial political complex that is NPO for fear of their own alliances well being. Eventually you will all be in the position we are in so take heed. We stagnated because the political field was stagnant. People scrambled and squabbled and begged in order to not get beat down. I did so myself, but then there came a point where it was like, $%&@ it, and TPF started to buck the system. We were forced into a war by NG bending NPO to force us to attack a treaty partners, treaty partner. At that moment all the lies and weakness in the system that WE have built here became apparent. What TPF meant to NPO became apparent. I left, walked away, thankful that I could lose myself at work and let my nation slip away into inactivity. I left just one instruction or I never would have returned. Activate me when NPO attacks. Yes it certainly was partly our fault in TPF that our relationship died, but I'll not claim 50% as NPO would like. It is NPO and their cronies fault. They have stagnated Bob and the rest of you are helping. In our fight to crawl or if the hole of curb stumps I never wanted to be one to hand one out to anyone, except in extenuating circumstances where they were detrimental to the whole community. Admittedly I am ashamed that TPF stayed as long as we did in the last war that I was around for. I am so glad that NG and the rest hated me for my refusals to protect their pixels. Each and every alliance that piles on us only shows what we ate saying is truth. Badly built nations are not or fault, they are yours, own it and take your licks and stop being a !@#$%* about it. The trust thing I ever read here. Peace is a lie.

I think the call it war when a whole alliance fights another whole alliance.

I completely agree. Frawley is asleep at the wheel. No one in TPF is crying. Everyone left signed up for this. They simply are educating those attacking us what we went through and how easy it was to drop us when we wanted to add our own treaty. I personally think that Non Grata is driving.

Yes open the door to do what NPO wanted because NPO is all that is important? I understand you think they are the most important because you're in NPO, but we aren't your puppets or meat shields.

You spoke on TPF signing a treaty that NPO had issues with. I might not have been here at the time, but a good portion of why I stepped down and left was because of the Non Grata treaty. I was vocal, TPF was vocal, and we were assured that it wouldn't affect our relationship, but it did immediately.

You mean like Non Grata? Damn I wish I had mIRC instead of Mibbit...

To be clear, I and TPF have great respect for RnR and I wish that I had been able to broker a treaty with both you and RIA and possibly ODN. Having said that our CB is rock solid and I have no doubt that there is political twisting going on to be seen as a whole so as not to become a target. We are not along for any quarter at all, but I'll point out that those aligned against NPO are taking notes right now looking to see who they really need to focus on treating to or hitting first to marginalize them in their limp wristed fighting, yet heavy handed politics. I have no doubt that many allies are looking on and wondering just how much of a liability NPO is. Also, I miss the days of NATO as well where politics were less important than knowing that we had each others back. Too bad NPO acts like they were the only ones who dug them out of the holeading they were in.

I'm not whining at all. I declared in a single nation under 2 years old, hit him once, realized it, and sent peace. I had all of these wonders before my third year. If they haven't built a decent wonder base by 2 years why should I give 2 $%&@s about them?! I was inactive for 2 years of NPO prosperity. I built my nation in spite of recurring beat downs, they are bad allies for having 5 year old nations with half my wonders. I'm not going to stop pointing it out. So what you want to be a damn tech farm, buy a wonder every month! No whining here! Just pointing out weakness and acknowledging good alliances being forced to be meat shields through treaties. Notice that hoe ass Non Grata wasn't mentioned? If NPO really was this powerhouse they'd have plenty of fighting nations that could cut infra to!drop in and fight us, then aid them out to get them back where they were. Epic fail really because that's what every single fighting alliance has done in the past.

It seems as though the NPO just isn't living up to the hype of #1. Honestly it is too bad that more and more are getting involved for little old us. I truly respect RnR, we had excellent relations in the past. I respect Atlas as well, they are just holding up to their treaty. Don't lost sight of what is important though. The NPO is using their allies to fight their battles as usual. Trust that we were there in that position for a long time, but there came a point where we could no longer blindly support the very system that is destroying Bob. We've paid the price for that. Gladly. o/ RnR o/ Atlas

Let's see. No members from a future Poison Clan/NG should be part of it. It'll save a period of having to clean up pure !@#$. That would be an excellent start.

Tl;Dr Go Poison Clan go! (Disclaimer: I saw this earlier and had actually intended on reading it, but then my side chick got mad that I had my phone in hand reading and reminded me why she is my side chick. Man I don't miss this place! 😉 )