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  3. Beefspari

    Posted

    <HailSatan> actually, i seen the rogue GOONs nation (verified by GOONS war dude) and helped HoT , they did not request it . Causalities are good, any chance to get more... why not . < as posted on IRC . So... next theory ?
    Wow, did you really miss the point by that much?

    No, I think he just didn't read the whole thing. Because in CN, understanding the facts is less important than weighing in with your opinion.

  8. Dr Beefstupid

    Posted

    Please read the following next"Who gives you the right to tell us what our rights are? And we didn't start a war with the 11 alliances that attacked us. They started it. Especially the oA and oD ones. And you're right, we aren't asking reps for the war we started. So there you go. Unless you're implying we can't ask for reps from people who attacked us just because."fromhttp://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=99990&st=1320&p=2669184&#entry2669184If it helps, you can pick some other posts from that thread. Its a goldmine. I'll advertise your blog in my sig if you do it.

    Thanks for the tip. This post isn't as funny to me, but I can sort of see the humour in it. If you have any more, keep 'em coming.

  11. Dr Beefstupid

    Posted

    You know, I get the impression from your post that you legitimately are trying to start an intelligent discussion so I'll try to speak my mind honestly.

    Perhaps I'm blind, but amidst these responses, I have yet to see anywhere where it has been pointed out why I was wrong, or why I was stupid. You seem to believe that to be against GOONS is to be wrong by definition.It seems to be GOONS OWF strategy is to attack the character rather then debate the argument. I suppose that is your coping mechanism to deal with people having a less then favorable view of you, but it doesn't do much to change anybodies mind about you.

    Whether or not it's you specifically, I have dealt with a lot of anti-GOONS people like you who will argue in circles and will be totally unable to admit to the fact that they're using circular logic or fallacies to make their point and for the sake of sanity, it's usually more fun, interesting, and productive to just laugh at them and move on. The reason why I attack someone's character is because attacking their argument is like headbutting a brick wall. They're unable and very much unwilling to admit they've made a single mistake, so why bother trying?

    So yes, it is very much my "coping mechanism" because it's really hard to wrap my mind around the all-out insanity that comes from certain members of the OWF.

    But quite frankly, I'm flattered. I was afraid that nobody paid attention to anything I said. Quite frankly, that would have hurt a great deal more.

    I wouldn't be flattered. I wouldn't have responded to your comment at all if it hadn't been brought to my attention specifically as material for my next episode. The fact that I chose to make fun of you rather than to respond with an actual argument is because I didn't think it was worth bothering with.

    However, since you took the effort to start this discussion, I've decided I will bother. So here are the MANY things wrong with what you said:

    you seem to be under the impression that GOONS did win that war, when in reality, you simply didn't lose, but certianly not on the merits of the performance of your own alliance.

    I will give you this much: GOONS did not "win the war". We were on the winning side and we did it cooperatively with MK and Umbrella. We wouldn't have won this on our own. That does not mean we did poorly or that we were dead weight. We fought twelve alliances simultaneously and despite this we managed to come through all right. I attribute this partially to the skill and coordination of GOONS members, but more so to extreme strategic ineptitude on our enemies' parts. I think if more of our enemies were more competent, we would have suffered a lot worse. I won't go into details because I'm not in the practice of helping my enemies to improve. It's better and more amusing to see them continue to fight terribly.

    I should note that in fairness, some of our enemies such as NSO did a pretty good job.

    Losing 66% of your NS and having almost 1/2 of those who were GOONS members at the start of the war either delete or leave are obviously a sign of a crushing military victory where you dominated your opposition.

    That 66% NS sounds worse than it really is. What was destroyed was the bottom tier that is the easiest by far to rebuild. You should expect to see a large chunk of that rebuilt very soon.

    As for the people who deleted or left, that's a ridiculous statement and I found it particularly ludicrous to make. GOONS is made up of many new players and we have a pretty high turnover rate. The amount of people who left during war is about par for the course with or without war. In fact, the promise of war brought a huge increase in new recruits. To say that this war caused people to delete or leave in vast numbers is, if anything, the opposite of the truth. We shot way up in number. Now that the war's over, we'll probably see a lot of the newbies get bored and leave. I'm honestly shocked that I even have to explain this.

    (A bunch of grumbling at nippy's post)

    I'm not going to speak in defence of Nippy. He was nominated for WPE and now and then he'll say something crazy, but I have to at least thank him for provoking the insanity that you produced.

    At the same time, so that we're on the same page, why don't you what has GOONS accomplished, other then screwing up a ton of raids, being unable to handle raiders without sanctions (not saying its wrong to sanction them, just saying you don't seem to be able to handle it otherwise), and acting as meatshields to MK and Umbrella.

    Let's ignore the grammatical butchering of the first sentence. This is such an incredibly thick-headed response I can't even believe you would defend it. This is the sort of post you make where later on you go back and say "Wow, yeah, I don't know what I was going on about."

    This was either entirely an attempt at provoking an angry response, or a total refusal to live in reality.

    1. OH LOL GOONS SCREWS UP A LOT OF RAIDS.

    This was thoroughly debunked when Schattenmann tried to post his shocking expose on GOONS raids and I'm surprised people are still arguing it. Yes, there were incidents. We have a large number of low-tier newbies and now and then some of them will screw up. This was not out-of-control. Over time, this amount has been hugely reduced and those incidents that remained were almost universally dealt with to the satisfaction of all involved.

    2. OH YOU POOR GOONS CAN'T HANDLE A FEW ROGUES.

    What I find particularly crazy about your post here is that you actually acknowledge we're in the right to sanction rogues but still make a jab that we only do it because we have to. This is kind of contradictory. We deal with rogues quite a lot, so we've gotten pretty good at handling it. We sanction them so we can deal with them as efficiently as possible. Why would you even think we would sanction out of fear? We just fought twelve alliances at once without flinching, so why would a rogue cause us to wet our pants?

    3. YOU GUYS ARE NOTHING BUT MEATSHIELDS TO MK AND UMBRELLA.

    I will partially agree that we acted as meatshields. Honestly in this instance I feel that was the best strategy. It's not to say we were incapable of fighting or that we contributed nothing else to warfare. We've dealt a huge amount of damage to our opponents. But we could argue back and forth about this one issue forever. I can at least understand your reasoning for this one as opposed to the other two, which are so out there I have to squint.

    he 1st GOONS did something of value, the present GOONS is nothing more then a trainwreck of ineptitude and futility that adds little to the community then entertainment.

    Do I even need to bother? I don't even know how someone can say we're a trainwreck of ineptitude after seeing how our opponents performed in this war. I can't even count the number of hilarious rookie mistakes I saw our opponents use, let alone the overall strategies that alliances as a whole resorted to. A new recruit, having been in this game for two weeks could spot the major flaws here.

    I can't say I expect much more from AoO, as they've chosen a protector who won't be able to tender any assistance to them with problems above 15k NS.

    Oh. Yeah. Because AoO are definitely going to run into trouble from nations with 15k NS. I'm not sure if anyone explained this to you, but there's an NS range and you can't declare war on someone significantly lower than you in NS. What problems are AoO going to have over 15k NS when they have an overall membership of fifteen, and only two of those nations are in that range?

    GOONS currently has 18 members over 15k NS, so even if some magical phantom shows up and despite being old enough to have a very large nation, still decides "Hey, it would be funny to push around a protected AA" we actually have options. What point were you going for with this remark?

    But I guess if GOONS shares their building guides with AoO, they'll never need to worry about having 15k NS+ nations.

    Hurr hurr. Boy, you've got our number. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you haven't read our building guides. Compared to war, it's much more subtle and harder to critique someone's building so I'm really wondering what you're basing this remark on. We fought a lot of people in this last war and we're able to see all the strategic failings firsthand. Have you been carefully studying every single GOONS nation to see how we're maximizing our nation building? That's the only way I can see for you to be able to scoff at it. Or are you just looking at our graph and noticing that our overall strength is not increasing that much and figure it's because of lousy building practices? If so, has it occurred to you that very little nation growth happens when you're in and out of war as often as we are, and have as high a turnover rate as we do?

    Herein lies the hypocrisy of your statement:

    It seems to be GOONS OWF strategy is to attack the character rather then debate the argument.

    This would have more weight if your post wasn't made up of immature jabs. I will at least admit that I prefer to attack character than debate. It's more fun and usually yields more results.

    But you can't honestly make remarks like "GOONS is good for nothing except screwing up raids" and then pretend you're above making petty slights against character.

    In conclusion, you smell.

  12. Dr Beefstupid

    Posted

    Now it just seems that you consider any post that insults/goes against GOONs a terrible post and decide to attempt to mock it via youtube using your own terrible voice to butcher most of the words.

    ...really?

    So let me get this straight. You read this post and thought it was a well-thought-out response that only sounds stupid when I do a funny voice?

    Obviously not "any post" that insults GOONS goes into one of my episodes. I have to find one that's particularly funny.

    I'd like to say I'm equal opportunity and will make fun of any stupid post, even if it's on my own side or has nothing to do with GOONS, but that's hard to back up.

    The fact is that I don't read much of the OWF except GOONS threads so that and suggestions I get sent in are where I get my material. If you find something really ridiculous and funny that someone on my side said, send it along and I'll be happy to mock it. I just don't see a whole lot of them.

    Seeing as you find my voice horrible and my modus operandi stupid, you don't sound like a fan, so I won't hold my breath waiting for your suggestions.

    P.S. I capitalized "memoryproblems" because it's grammatically correct to begin a sentence with a capital letter. I guess I'm picky that way. I think it's pretty hilarious that you see this as an attempt to insult him.

    "Haha, I capitalized your name! So there!"

  13. Dr Beefstupid

    Posted

    Since its GOONS though I'm not surprised you guys got her sanctioned and are making a big deal out of it with extra topics.

    Let me make sure I understand you.

    Peggy Sue starts a forum thread specifically to complain about sanctions. This is considered to just be just a playful taunt.

    I make a blog entry that makes fun of her post. This is considered to be making a big deal out of it.

    If she fought anyone other than GOONS for her last battle, there is a good chance she wouldn't of got sanctioned and they would of fought her without requesting the help of other alliances to deal with just one nation.

    Sanctioning rogues is pretty standard practice, but it's so cute how you think we're the only alliance who would stoop to this.

    Try using a little bit of logic. See if you can string these thoughts together in a coherent line:

    1. When rogues attack us, we contact other alliances and politely request sanctions.

    2. The other alliances usually agree without any objections and the sanction takes place.

    Are you following so far? Notice how the sanction feature exists? Notice what the other alliances consider to be an acceptable usage for sanctions?

    You can't possibly connect these dots to a coherent logical statement that says "GOONS are the only alliance that use sanctions against rogues"

    Methrage, I honestly wonder how you function in your day-to-day life. Do you have trouble getting to work because you can't get on a bus without totally being unable to figure out the next step?

  23. Sardonic

    Posted

    Ah, a typical smart alec blurb from our neighborhood goons, imparting no new information worth speaking of and serving only to stir up attention in their flippant mewling manner. I'd entertain the possibility that this is an awkward pr move encouraged by your new bloc-mates so that you don't weigh them all down as much with your reputation, but I truly don't think you're a good enough alliance even for that token effort. So bravo on harping on about your reprehensible little bullying program which we were all so familiar with already I suppose. Always nice to read about the exact manner in which you're forcing players out of this already shrinking game.

    Sorry in advance for the fallout remainder of PB. But then, you did know what you were getting yourself into, so I'm not TOO sorry

    With responses like this, honestly, Sardonic, why do you bother trying to reason with people?

  24. Tygaland

    Posted

    Methrage

    If anyone joins the war with that as the reason then the one they should be joining to support really is FnKa. The Ninjas are merely backing up their statements with no clear goal other then to respond to what was more or less "do something about it" and your alliance went to war under dubious cicrcumstances no matter your intentions. This leaves FnKa is really the only one to openly state their reason and making demands on the topic of GOONS's raiding practices.

    Hyperbad has a point. FnKa is the only aggressor against GOONS lately that has a reason beyond "Grr! GOONS!" even if I think it's a flimsy one. And GOONS does consider them to be an alliance, unlike Kerberos Nexus.

    By the way, flimsy or not, I have to admit I think it takes a lot of chutzpah to state your CB as "Change your charter."

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