Tohru

It's always the last that's hard to find isn't it?

I have Fish and Spices http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=379175 Currently on Pink but willing to switch to Black.

[quote name='Ginji' timestamp='1308711807' post='2738118'] Said someone just got out of PM, again it's all just sayin' [/quote] I'm not entirely sure this sentence makes sense...

[quote name='BamaBuc' timestamp='1308694716' post='2737857'] The word official is in there because it is impossible (OOC: and arguably unethical considering OOC friendships) to stop that many people from even talking as friends. It would have been beyond foolish to try to police that. All that can really be regulated is offical contact. -Bama [/quote] This is pretty much what I was about to say. I'm friends with a few members of SOS. I'm not about to be told I can't talk to them as friends just because a few people with vendettas threw a fit.

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1308641185' post='2737015'] Pity you'll never be in range of either of them. I would have liked to have the opportunity to nuke you. [/quote] Same, but, I don't have to personally nuke you. It's fine if someone else does; I can share. Though that is true, at least at the rate my trades like to destroy themselves.

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1308640921' post='2737011'] Of course. However, suggestions are that that is not the reason for this peace mode entry. [/quote] No not really. I haven't had trades for a good month now. Why people delete nations without any warning (and not from activity) I'll never know. Not to mention, there's only a couple nations I want to burn. Rest of SOS I don't really want any harm to come to.

[quote name='Fakir' timestamp='1308640263' post='2737002'] Uh, if Mio didn't give approval for it to be an April Fool's Joke, why did Mio post [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=83498]this[/url]? Also, refer to OP and to who is in-charge of said joke. I think that's more than enough consent and is Mio going to deny posting that? Even with the truth right in front of you, you probably still won't believe it. [/quote] This is a silly thing to argue with in the first place. But I will say though that Mio does tend to do some things when her friends really want them to. Because she's nice like that. Very rare quality, and those that have it usually get crapped on like she was. Her above comment doesn't really show she likes it too much, either. If I remember correctly from then it was pretty much people deciding they were going to do it, then telling Mio, and saying "You should post it!" Though I will admit my memory is rather bad, so I can't say for sure that I'm not just misinterpreting how I remember. [quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1308640680' post='2737007'] Ouch. Want some nukes for that [b][color=red]BURN[/color][/b], Tohru? Oh wait, you're cowering in peace mode. [/quote] Yeah, because I have no trades, not to mention RL is a bit of a &*%$#.

[quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1308640074' post='2736999'] Except the part where she was Empress of the 'joke' alliance, yeah okay I buy that. [/quote] Yeah, I could make an April Fools' joke saying we're dual leaders of an alliance. Doesn't mean you approved of it, does it?

[quote name='erikz' timestamp='1308639365' post='2736986'] This is pure Animeosity. [/quote] Pretty much, some people over there like to act like NsO was first an April Fools' joke made by them, when really it was first thought up by Katsumi/Mio, who as far as I've found out, never gave consent for her idea to become an April Fool's joke.

[quote name='Katy Perry' timestamp='1308635450' post='2736911'] Which it won't, so it doesn't matter in any case :-) To be honest, I was less surprised by the fact you went against an alliance a similar size to yourselves than the fact you went to war over this, it appears, rather minor issue. SLCB and SOS have had their differences but I'd say that the limited dealings I had with Locke (if I remember correctly) always gave the impression of his being pretty reasonable. le shrug [/quote] You should look at some lovely comments from our DoE then. Really, I very much doubt this CB was any more than an excuse to do something some of the government of SOS have wanted to do since NsO came into existance. That's why there's a difference between the two alliances and why one gets attacked when the other didn't. As for my opinion to all this, I really don't want to do any harm to SOS. I may have been wronged by a few members of the alliance, but the membership as a whole is (mostly) good. Even considering if we could completely crush SOS, that's nothing I'm fond of. I don't like that quite a number of friends are involved in this, and that in order to have victory, they have to be destroyed in the process, simply just for following orders.

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1308634313' post='2736864'] I already posted somewhere in here the results of diplomatic discussion with NsO the last time an incident popped up. [/quote] That incident being completely bogus (can't believe you got me to partially agree with you on that for awhile, either) and completely out of either of our jurisdictions, as what someone says on Facebook on their own without anyone telling them to say it, whether what is said is terrible or not, is not anything that alliance politics should be sticking their noses into. Not to mention, being how Mio was treated when she was the most nice about the SOS-NsO split, I think she has the right to speak her mind when something like the "last incident" happened.

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1308628996' post='2736649'] Why should we give you more warning than your spies did? [/quote] Well, you'd think if you had a problem with something you'd come to discuss it. I didn't assume the discussion would mean, "Hello, we are going to declare war if you don't do X", but more of an actual discussion, to find out what's really going on. Also those "spies" was pretty much someone telling IAA, who told us that we were going to get attacked, which was only about 10 or 15 minutes beforehand.

[quote name='Ginji' timestamp='1308628029' post='2736594'] You seem to miss his respond though which is fairly important [/quote] No that pretty much was his response? Along with the rest of the word twisting and, whatever this is: [quote]<Mio|afk> yeah, you can stop being a dip!@#$ like that <Mio|afk> before i pressure your allies to expel you Why wouold I ever speak to you again?[/quote] This log from Mio he's using as some sort of weapon, was from the last time SOS contacted us. Which was months ago when they tried to get one of our members expelled for something he said, on his own, on Facebook. Why this is relevant to CN, (and more than that, THIS ISSUE) I have no idea.

Also I'd like to point out that contrary to what Locke seems to be implying, SOS didn't contact us at all in months. Certainly never about any of what is brought up in this CB, which I think is probably most important.

[b]Keep in mind I'm an hour ahead of CN time, so it's not quite an hour, but still there is a time difference here:[/b] [url] http://i55.tinypic.com/fzak2u.png[/url] [url]http://i52.tinypic.com/29ber5z.jpg[/url]

[s]I'm interested. http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=379175 Spices & Fish[/s] [b]EDIT:[/b] For those who might have been interested in this trade circle, the organizer apparently formed another one, this is dead now.

Well then you suck too :< Oh, except for MD

Got added to another Trade Circle that was already on my color and just needed me to join. So, unless something weird happens I'm not going to be joining this one. Sorry

[quote name='Skippy' timestamp='1289047776' post='2503903'] Yes it has turned into a dog pile, but if we left it alone, we'd see an alliance hitting another alliance with half its members and a decent NS difference. None of us are going to stand by and watch that happen to our friends. I'm sure Umbrella wouldn't do that, hell when GOONS' allies jumped in when they had a few problems with a much smaller alliance hitting them, I didn't see any disagreement from your side there. There's plenty more other alliances who'd love to jump in, but that'd just be plain overkill. Glad to see one more from Umbrella dislike us without even having any form of contact with us.. [/quote] Yeah, that would be pretty weird. Ally asks for help and the other alliance goes "Ehhh, nah, we're just gonna watch. It would be more interesting if it was one-on-one"

[b]Fish[/b] and [b]Spices[/b] http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=379175

I didn't really pay attention to what was going on, but [color="#FF0000"]♥[/color]MD[color="#FF0000"]♥[/color]

Except the fact that the 'spewing' in this thread didn't originate from us.

[quote name='Tromp' timestamp='1288228489' post='2494685'] I have given my opinion quite clear in this thread, you should read it again. Also, you have not once responded to the other points I have made. That's not a fair debate, don't you think? I could pick any one of the points you make and then argue against... Oh wait, you haven't made any other points other than "BS!!!" Yeah, good show Tohru. [/quote] Forgive me if I'm tired of making points. I've been making points the whole thread that just get tossed aside. Most, if not all, of what you've said I've already refuted earlier in the thread when other people have said the same or close to it. I'm tired of talking to a brick wall.

[quote name='Tromp' timestamp='1288227283' post='2494648'] Right, then I won't take you seriously from now on, if you have nothing else to say but "It's all BS!!!". So please, stay out of this debate in the future.[/quote] I hate to pull the "No U" card, but any of the people with this coup claim seem to just say the same. Not really seeing much of a difference, I'm just adopting their method of not buying BS. [quote name='Felix von Agnu' timestamp='1288227360' post='2494651'] Well, people have made it seem like the coup was actually an impeachment attempt (or discussing of one). Its really hard to keep both sides stories straight here. [/quote] Yeah, because it was. They seem to have some skewed idea of what actually happened, somehow. [quote name='Felix von Agnu' timestamp='1288227360' post='2494651'] It appears like you just decided to pack up and go home when you didn't get your way. [/quote] Um...yeah. I kind of already stated the reason. Would you honestly stay in an alliance if you think you have a terrible leader? [quote name='Felix von Agnu' timestamp='1288227360' post='2494651'] Well, I can't say I know the way they went about it, so I guess I can't really comment on it any further. Thank you for your response, however. Edit: I am kinda curious about the details, if you want send me a PM or catch me on IRC. I can promise anything said I will keep secret [/quote] Don't really get how they would know any more. EDIT: Man, the quote tags kept being a !@%#&

[quote name='Tromp' timestamp='1288226840' post='2494633'] Right, picking out thery very point I care the least about, which you should know yourself. It's simply a fact that people now in NsO have done everything they could to divide the SOS Brigade into two camps before the impeachment topic was opened, in the name of 'observing the situation'. Simply put for you, this group you are a part of didn't care anymore for the alliance at that point. It was all about a petty grudge that had to be taken care of, no matter the costs. Truly, you guys are shining examples of good and honest behaviour. Who would dare to think otherwise, right? Also, how about you try to argue the more fundamental points that have been made? [/quote] Yeah, made that post before I saw you say any of your BS. So I wasn't really responding to you, Tromp. [quote name='Tromp' timestamp='1288226840' post='2494633'] I could have thought more positive about your actions if you had not set people up against each other, using manipulations, lies and deceit. Michaeru is the best example of this, when he admitted having lied for like, a month long to us. [/quote] Again with conspiracy theories, sheesh. And yeah, I personally wasn't to happy about Michaeru getting off like that. Strangely, I didn't get off like he did when I didn't even get a chance to defend myself in the first place. My internet went out when I was asked about, and that was it. No follow up. Then find out several people in on the impeachment discussion got of the hook just by saying "I didn't do it". Was kind of a wtf.