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[quote name='Thunder Strike' date='29 April 2010 - 08:21 AM' timestamp='1272547297' post='2279813'] The thing is there is one continuous log in from the time the account was created to when it looked at my profile. So for that to be someone other than Tilton his server would have had to be hacked. [/quote] Ohhh yes, TIltons timing....And what of of the RIA admin(can't remember which)'s timing logging in and changing his password, as the "hackers" in your account?

[quote name='Thunder Strike' date='29 April 2010 - 08:03 AM' timestamp='1272546212' post='2279800'] The thing with all the other evidence is that piece by piece it didn't mean a lot, but when you put it all together it created a situation where there was no reasonable explanation to show that Tilton didn't do it. People like to say how Tilton could have been hacked. Yet no one ever presented proof of this. You'd think if Tiltons server was hacked that he would provide server logs to show this. Instead he just took his server offline and deleted a bunch of logs. [/quote] The evidence also points to...Jason8 and myself. [b]edits[/b] also, these "logs" you speak of where given to RIA and Hyper claimed they could be "false"

[quote name='Thunder Strike' date='29 April 2010 - 07:49 AM' timestamp='1272545373' post='2279791'] You saying that just shows how little attention you paid to our evidence. [/quote] You're saying of that just shows how little understanding you have of the "evidence" The only tangible evidence you have is lanna's logs, which I say are slightly convicting... without knowledge of the two's relationship I cannot say whether he was joking or not...however I do know he never openly admitted to her that he had done it.

[b]Quote from: \ IRCop[/b] [quote] Of course, when "convicted" by judge, jury and executioner, an informed opinion doesn't do a whole lot. Nonetheless, my own take on the subject. (I do have an active, unsuspended player account, I simply choose not to log into it and post at this time, which makes me unavailable for replying to any comments someone has on what I've posted vicariously) As I have made clear to RIA upon reading this thread, the evidence comes from two servers that are claimed to be compromised. [i]Nobody[/i] appears to have considered this point. The fact that these servers are compromised means that nothing in these logs may be taken at face value to begin with. A user who can break into a forum can choose to edit the logs if they choose to, to appear to come from any IP they choose, or simply delete all trace of the activity to begin with. Indeed, it may simply be that a script was run that opened a PHP "Shell", that edited the log to show all requests to come from the same IP. I've had to deal with a fair few compromised forums in the past, and have been watching the RIA fallout from a distance, and the evidence doesn't track for me. The logging in to other accounts, Signing with "The CN hacker" (or similar), doesn't match the pattern of the other forum hackings that I've heard about. Admittedly, I have better things to do than listen to who's running scripts against vulnerable versions of what, but this doesn't match anything else I've heard about in relation to these hackings. Tilton himself runs a "BNC" service on Coldfront, which is essentially a legitimised IRC proxy that allows the illusion of a persistent connection between the user and the server. There are repercussions to using a proxy, which include [i]all data sent, including passwords, being available to the person who runs the proxy service[/i]. A casual look at who is using this BNC service lends to prominent figures in NPO and TOP amongst others. Although NPO was targeted by a childish script, I'm not aware of the same happening to TOP. Furtheremore, the NPO accounts broken into were not the members who use Tilton's service. A "hacker" will use what is available to them, not what is harder to attain. These usernames and passwords would have been quite available to him if he chose to use them. The chat logs, while suspect, are certainly not a confession. In fact, they look rather like how I would reply after having to deal with the accusations for months, although I'd probably be less inclined to talk about it to begin with. The logs, in fact, clearly start with him protesting his innocence. Case in point, the mention that RIA provided logs that didn't match the "known logs". From there, everything should be read with that in mind. The part about treating it as a security lesson is distinctly like something I would say, as I say it [i]every time[/i] something like this happens. As for the use of TOR tracing back to his own city, the IP listed is a known TOR node. Your forums preclude the possibility of pasting a link, but anyone with that information may look up the IP in question and see that it is, in fact, a TOR node. Nobody is disputing that, in fact. Tilton has used that IP regularly for some time, and I've come to associate it with him myself. The usage of TOR to begin with indicates that if Tilton wanted to hide his tracks, he most certainly would have done so and known how to, which makes it showing up in this distinctly suspect. I'd also like to point out to anyone who posted in the thread that Tilton is not accused of "hacking" the RIA forums according to the evidence I've seen, but logging into two accounts. Anything about him "destroying" communities is uncalled for and - Were I in a position of authority - I would have demanded an apology on that part, regardless of whether he did or did not log into the accounts in question. To summarise, we have someone who knows how to hide their tracks, but didn't, while their server is reportedly being compromised. When broken into, the logs of both broken servers are treated as fact rather than as tainted evidence. Some logs that start off with Tilton53 finding humour in RIA supposedly editing evidence to frame him are then taken as proof (By RIA, no less) that he logged into the two accounts. The pattern doesn't match Tilton53's known resources, and the IP points to a local TOR node that anyone may log into. In short, I think someone's laughing into their evening meal at the moment. I will not be responding to replies made on these forums, and I most certainly won't respond to IRC queries on the subject. Any harassment of or by Tilton on IRC however, will be dealt with as [i]I[/i] see fit. [/quote]

[quote name='Xiphosis' date='29 April 2010 - 01:21 AM' timestamp='1272522086' post='2279588'] Another theory! Goodie. Chalk up a fourth, scorekeep. [/quote] That wasn't a theory, that was simply proving his logic flawed. Xiphosis, have you considered intelligence over blatant child flaming?

[quote name='Hyperonic' date='29 April 2010 - 01:14 AM' timestamp='1272521657' post='2279578'] Do you really believe someone hacked his server full of lots of other potentially awesome information just to go through with a really stupid conspiracy? Because that is part of the story. [/quote] First, his database was compromised also, he actually shut down the ZNC for about a week and had everyone change their passwords after it was hacked. also, ever heard of a bot-net?

[quote name='Xiphosis' date='29 April 2010 - 01:13 AM' timestamp='1272521611' post='2279577'] The odds of a tor node resolving to the hometown of the accused, who also was bragging about doing it, and that it even would be a tor node without it showing up in the hostmask are all next to nothing. [b]Furthermore[/b] if he was using TOR it'd generate a different IP every time he logged into it. This is how Tor functions. It wouldn't have matched his IP on TOP if that was the case. I'm still failing to see a technical reason for you to deny his guilt, simply misguided and blind loyalty. [/quote] If you missed the point that we've already determined that it was infact a tor node. let's not forget that the node resolved to about 100 miles away oh and ever heard of this thing called "sticking" exit nodes? please learn about Tor.

[quote name='Xiphosis' date='29 April 2010 - 01:08 AM' timestamp='1272521270' post='2279564'] I've seen three stories: One, it was Tor. Two, it was some conspiracy by 'boy' also involving Tor. Three, that someone set up a tunnel on his hacked server. All of which are equally retarded, though two probably the most. [/quote] Uhm...........All three are one singular theory I'm sorry but learn a little, will you?

[quote name='Xiphosis' date='29 April 2010 - 01:02 AM' timestamp='1272520924' post='2279550'] Certainly. Edit: Whoops. The IP in the picture [linked in the logs] was confirmed with TOP to match his one on their forums. From this conclusion Tilton was sentenced to ZI. PC wasn't convinced at this point and Tilton exploited a great many friendships to try and circle the wagons. Lanna's testimony was the final straw that convinced PC and the majority of rational people. The screen and confirmation was enough. But if you'd like, resolving that IP will point you to a town in Ohio he happens to live in. [/quote] soo basically.... a Tor node that anyone can use is a tech analysis, got it... I'm still trying to see the proof here...

[quote name='Hyperonic' date='29 April 2010 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1272521087' post='2279553'] He's also changed his story too many times to keep track of. How many alliances has he bounced around, by the way? [/quote] ...When did he change his story?

[quote name='Xiphosis' date='29 April 2010 - 12:55 AM' timestamp='1272520538' post='2279541'] Lanna's speech lines up with the conclusions of the aforementioned "tech analysis". As mentioned before, your address is well known to a number of CNers [of whom you used to cause division in SF among other places to rally support for you - not to mention the wider side]. She says your proxy didn't work. Your IP - the IP that shows up as logging into Thunderstrike's account - matches the one you used for your time on TOP. It also resolves to your RL hometown. That lines up with what she said. Furthermore, you spent a great deal of time talking her up, so it'd be funny to see you try and backpedal from that when she outright says you did it - and the RoK "hack" - and told her as much. [/quote] how many miles do you consider his "home town" last I checked it was between 55 and 100 miles away from the exit node. And can you please read the "tech analysis" and show me what exactly states that Tilton did it?

[quote name='Hyperonic' date='29 April 2010 - 12:55 AM' timestamp='1272520488' post='2279540'] Your honor I was only joking when I pointed that gun You can't prove the context of me pointing that gun [/quote] but I can prove I felt threatened by it.

[quote name='Fireandthepassion' date='29 April 2010 - 12:50 AM' timestamp='1272520205' post='2279531'] Are you stupid? You were caught with tech analysis. The logs support the tech analysis. The logs have you ADMITTING AND TALKING ABOUT THE HACKINGS. There is no joking context ESPECIALLY with the context of Lanna's speech. You're trying to save face that has no structure while spinning the merry-go-round. [/quote] except he wasnt' caught with tech analysis.

[quote name='Xiphosis' date='29 April 2010 - 12:47 AM' timestamp='1272520041' post='2279526'] Can't expect much from scriptkiddies, but the Tor claim really was the best. What kind of half-$@! proxy would point back to your own city? [/quote] Filter evasion != browsing anonmously [b]*logs removed[/b]

[quote][22:31:40] <%Ginko>I heard |Jason8| did the ria hacking [22:32:23] <~Tilly> According to him [22:34:42] <&|Jason8|> yep. [22:34:43] <&|Jason8|> i did it [22:35:13] <%Moo-Cows> I knew it was you[/quote] Jason posses the same useragent, possesed access to the servers and IPs, AND OPENLY admits to doing it...sooo there's more evidence pointing to Jason then there is Tilton?