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I wonder if NpO could do anything else which would make themselves more unpopular. Nice going!

Selling Techs (3 mil/50t) Send money in game, clearly highlighting money is for tech deal. SLOTS OPEN CURRENTLY: 2 http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=365590

A few days late but better late than never. o/ TAC

What Lukcia said.

edit: sorry, not open til tomorrow

Well that's 7 minutes I'll never get back. What a thoroughly ridiculous, boring and pointless thread.

Good luck. I'm sure you'll do great.

Congratulations, and has already been said, amazing graphics.

1. Oh come on, please be real. It's nothing like that. How is suggesting that we solve this "problem" (since it isn't really a problem) by increasing supply, like suggesting we do something physically impossible? 2. Right, and this catching up game wouldn't have happened anyway? Of course it would. It's insane to suggest a newer nation could ever catch up an older nation, who buys tech at the same rate as the newer nation does. I'm fully comfortable with the fact I probably won't get into even the top 20%, let alone the top 5%.

Edit: Never mind. Life's too short.

Or, more effort could be put into getting more nations to join the game. There's almost always more than one answer to a problem.

Eurgh, there's nothing I hate more than people like this. I hope you can get your tech from this thief eventually.

I didn't say I'd "rely" on it, but it is something to be taken into consideration. But an implosion is when the market can not cope with a certain amount of debt, confidence collapses and everything else with it. Implosions mean people actually lose money. Basically, it's a crash. People not buying or selling is just...well, it's nothing. It just means nations will grow slower than they do now. It's hardly the end of the game. No, but then, if people do leave the game because of lack of tech deals, then it becomes the developer's problem. Perhaps. However, if the price is high enough, they may sell for longer. But then, this is all just speculation. Nobody can say what would happen for certain. Sorry, where did I demand more? Clearly you are reading what you want to read in my posts, as I've already said I'm more than happy with the money I'm making now. However, if the market price goes up, I will go with it. Unlike the buyers here, I understand that the market adapts AND, I know that when I get to buying tech, I will be paying the same price as I sell for now, if not higher. I'm completely fine with this, and it just makes the game more challenging and therefore more fun for me.

1. Sande, seriously, I respect your views but please read what I say properly. I have said (twice, I believe) that buying tech for large nations is not a feasible options. I'm NOT suggesting you do that, and I'm not suggesting it should be done. I am simply saying that if buying tech for 3mil/50t is so bad, then buy your own tech. 2. I know you aren't trying to make me sell at a lower price, and I personally am very happy with doing 3mil/50t deals. 3. No, I am not saying the Admins need to change anything. The game runs smoothly enough as it is. What I am saying is, is if suddenly things went pear-shaped with regards to tech selling, and numbers of nations started declining because of it, then it would not be yours or my job to fix it. 4. So, what you're saying is, whilst it's O.K. for buyers to try and get the best deal available, sellers should settle for the worst one they can and like it?

Right. Sure.

1. The market won't "implode", and to say so is at best naive and at worst scaremongering. For the market to implode, the international market that exists in CN (which consists of two things: trading technology and donations) needs something which doesn't exist in this market. It needs debt. Market implosion only happens when debt exists. It isn't physically possible for this market to implode. All that can happen is prices go up, prices go down, activity goes up, activity does down or activity ceases. This isn't an implosion. 2. Again, I am going to say something I said earlier in this thread: Tech sellers do NOT exist solely to make buyers happy and even wealthier. We're playing this game as well, and would also like to be in the position to buy tech someday. Agreed, without tech deals, the entire process would be slower but you can not blame us for wanting to get the best deal on offer. It's not my job, or anybody else's, to make sure the economy in Cyber Nations runs smoothly. That's the developer's job. I do, however, doubt that you have any real concerns for the economy of Cyber Nations and are just using this as a reason to get people to try and deal at a lower price. 3. This won't happen. If tech prices do go up to that stage, we'll start to see nations who are currently low-end tech buyers, become sellers, and the cycle will start again. I'll also leave out of this argument the fact nobody has mentioned that, at some stage, these nations are bound to have a war(s). 4. Then, following the same metaphor, which deal would you rather take: paying $3,000 yourself for a product, or paying me $300 to get the same thing, even though you know I'll be taking a huge commission? Can you not see how mind-boggling it is, when you look at it like this, to then see so many buyers complaining? This is why I said if buyers hate it so much, buy your own tech. 5. You think there's a seller shortage now? Watch what would happen if this mindset ever became reality.

1. That's a bit of a red herring, because large nations save a lot of money by buying technology through deals. If you bought a car for $50, instead of $5,000, would you say that the seller benefited, simply because the car wasn't the newest model? I suppose this point is more about perspective, but in this sense, buyers make more. 2. I never said tech deals didn't benefit me. Of course they do, and I love doing them, but then, I'm not the one complaining, am I? 3. I think the calculations posted here are pointless. It's really very simple. 3mil/50t will always make more profit for sellers than 3mil/100 deals.

I don't think this forum is the CN equivalent of confession.

I'm not an expert on the game engine, but I believe that this only applies once a nation is in Anarchy and has basically no soldiers, though I could be and am probably wrong on this.

Sorry but you didn't read what I said properly. I said if buyers really think that they're so hard done-by at buying tech for 3mil/50t, then they should buy their own and deal with it. Clearly, this isn't a feasible option, which is why I said what I said; I was trying to make a point. Your prediction of doom and gloom isn't a valid one. If the price goes too high, and people don't buy, then sellers will naturally lower the price. Creating a cartel isn't feasible, and ruins the fluidity of the game. Prices go up because there is more money in circulation and more demand. If you really think the price is going to remain the same, then you're living in a dream economy. I assure you, if I could not find buyers at a 3mil/50t level, then I would sell for 100t. But, I never wait more than a day to find a buyer. Sometimes, I'm inundated with requests. This can not be because these people are stupid or overly generous. It's because they're adapting to the economy. If CN had a sudden surge of active nations, a new update was introduced which lowered all tax revenue drastically or if buyers suddenly stopped buying en masse, then I'm sure you'd see many more 3/100 deals. As I do not see any of those happening, I see the price steadily rising over time. If you have no problem finding 3/100 deals, then fantastic, good on you. But, prices change, and no argument you throw into the pot will change that.

No, you can attack at any percentage, but it's not advised unless it's a high percentage. During times of peace, your military can needlessly add a considerable amount to your bills. Decommissioning some of your forces reduces these bills, and may also increase the happiness of your citizens (though this depends on how many you had originally) No, I don't. Just use Guerrilla Camps, aircraft, nukes (if you have them) and yeah, there's other stuff here but I can't be bothered to type it all out. Buy infrastructure, have a population-friendly trade circle, buy clinics and a hospital, have a good environmental score, make sure your Government is set to the appropriate options. There's probably more, but Infrastructure is number one, always. Edit: Never mind.

Tough times, tough times

3 offensive, and 3 defensive. Yes, this is possible. However, once peace is declared, or the war slot runs out, you will not then be able to re-declare war until you are both within each other's target range. Attack them. Note: If you've been playing for a year and a half, how can you possibly not know these terms?

1. We are providing a service. What else would you call it? 2. If the market price goes up to 6 mil/50t, then go for it and declare a jihad. It'll be you, after all, who starts to lag behind other nations. 3. Buyers actually benefit much more than sellers. Ask some 80k NS nations how much 50 tech would cost them, and then try and tell me sellers benefit more financially (I say this assuming you are not 80k NS or higher. If you are, then might I suggest you buy your own tech, if it's so much better). 4. It seems you're implying that sellers are the ones complaining here, but look at all the posts. I'm sure you'll find the "whining" ones are buyers, not sellers, this thread was started by a buyer, and buyers are the only ones trying to change the price for their own benefit. Buyers are the ones who are not happy and who think sellers owe them something, when they do not.